An Industry's Fall from Grace – A Few Words About the HVCC

Lot's been said about the OFHEO/GSE/Cuomo agreements made public last month. I've kept a tight lip on the issue since from the onset; it felt like appraisers were getting Punk'd by the brass above. But kidding aside, the Cooperation Agreement - and its offspring the Home Valuation Code of Conduct (HVCC) - is no joke and aimed clearly at dismantling the status quo for all independent practitioners.

The agreement, which bars Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac from purchasing loans where the appraisal was ordered by an interested party in a transaction, speaks volumes about regulator distrust of the industry as a whole. The logic behind this agreement is simple. Loan originators (and/or realtors) pressured appraisers to inflate appraisals; and inflated appraisals are to blame for the housing collapse. To praise this agreement one has to accept this premise as fact. A tenet I wholly reject. In the name of promoting "appraiser independence", this agreement severs long-standing relationships among industry professionals, ultimately shackling appraisers to intermediary firms to receive assignments.

This agreement, through and through, is suspect to say the least. The New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo leveraged the GSE's buying power in efforts to alter industry practices instead of legislating the deal through Congress. Off the bat, this is a no, no. Especially since other Congressional and Federal proposals reforming appraisal and industry practices are still in the works. And with waning investor confidence in the backdrop, Cuomo took advantage of the GSE's fragile reputation recovering from the 2004 accounting scandals and struck an accord. OFHEO, the GSE regulator with a track record of inconsistent oversight of the two lending giants, was complicit by its impotency. And adding to the hypocrisy, the HVCC empowers the very institutions that were at the root of last year's investigation by the attorney generals office. Does anybody else see a problem with this?

Those who've been in the business for any length of time realize Cuomo and OFHEO clearly missed the mark.

Industry interaction is not the cause of the ailing housing market nor is industry segregation the remedy. The root cause of the problem lies in systemic misfeasance. If you envision the US real estate industry as one giant corporation, including investors and hedge funds, this visual makes a lot of sense.

At the top of the food-chain, bond and securities investors are the source of funds for US home loans. This group keeps the likes of Fannie and Freddie, the primary conduit for risk dispersion across the globe, in business. In recent years, this group took way too much risk without proper due diligence. Their reliance on independent analysts to price assets (determine risk) is akin to funding institutions (banks) that lent against appraisals or AVM's without the benefit peer review. Even today, an appraisal review is not policy but rather a precaution at the behest of underwriting unless investor guides or program matrices dictate otherwise. Fathom that.

The risk that investors took of course trickled down to the consumer space and dawned a toxic way of looking at housing debt. The consumer, guided by professionals empowered by the commercialization of home loans and the political rhetoric of the "American Dream", surely felt secure assuming debt that "never gets repaid anyways" and would be hedged against "a life-long appreciating asset". This logic wasn't, or isn't entirely without merit since few could have imagined how homeowners would react to negative-equity regardless of the long-term objective. But the snow-balling effect on housing prices increased the demand for more innovative ways to distribute risk "up above" in order to dull the sticker shock "down below" and perpetuate the buying party.

While these were the dynamics in play, the root cause for current woes was ineffective regulation over competition among primary market participants. The fierce competition at the origination and funding levels, combined with investors' insatiable thirst for yield, encouraged lax loan parameters which lead to over-borrowing, the prevalence of short-sighted mortgage products, and the dissemination of unconscionable levels of risk across the globe. However, this could not have become reality if it wasn't for the Fed's inaction (or inability in some cases) to moderate the market. Hence the Treasury plan.

Contrary to popular belief, regulation is not a four-letter word. The rule of law shapes social behavior and can do so towards positive outcomes so long as the right economic incentives are in place. However, the current system dubbed the "originate-to-distribute" model is no doubt the root cause of the pressure-cooker that became the housing industry.

Here's what Frederic Mishkin of the Federal Reserve said in a speech at the US Monetary Policy Forum in New York in February:

"As has been true of many financial innovations in the past, the benefits of this disaggregated originate-to-distribute model may have been obvious, but the problems less so.  The originate-to-distribute model, unfortunately, created some severe incentive problems, which are referred to as principal-agent problems, or more simply as agency problems, in which the agent (the originator of the loans) did not have the incentives to act fully in the interest of the principal (the ultimate holder of the loan).  Originators had every incentive to maintain origination volume, because that would allow them to earn substantial fees, but they had weak incentives to maintain loan quality.  When loans went bad, originators lost money, mainly because of the warranties they provided on loans; however, those warranties often expired as quickly as ninety days after origination.  Furthermore, unlike traditional players in mortgage markets, originators often saw little value in their charters, because they often had little capital tied up in their firm.  When hit with a wave of early payment defaults and the associated warranty claims, they simply went out of business.  While the lending boom lasted, however, originators earned large profits."  

Originators in the Mishkin speech refer to funding institutions e.g. Washington Mutual or Countrywide Home Loans, etc. This umbrella however, also includes their wholesale and correspondent business vis-a-vis mortgage brokerages.

You don't need a degree in behavioral economics or finance to understand the point here. (Though reading a few chapters out of "Freakonomics" might help). The idea of "having skin in the game" is surfacing and spurring deliberation on an international level. But OFHEO and Cuomo clearly felt it was best to simply remove the ability to do bad rather than redress the incentives to do good. Both took a short-sighted solution to a long standing, long-term fundamental problem.

Ever since the Financial Institutions Reform, Recovery and Enforcement Act of 1989, appraisers have been on the radar of state regulators and federally-chartered agencies. Implicit in our licensing is the mandate of our strict adherence to the Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice (USPAP). Otherwise regarded as the appraisers' bible, this book of ethics, standards and conduct is stringent and carries with it the weight of public sanctions and civil penalties with no uncertain terms. Our role and fiduciary obligations to society is clearly defined and well understood by its members. The road to self-reliance in this business is long and arduous one hence the economic incentives to get it right and behave accordingly are quite pronounced.

Our counterpart, the independent loan originator, suffers a more complex identity problem. On the one hand, originators assume the role of a trusted financial advisor. On the other, they're under competitive sales pressure rewarded for closing deals regardless of the quality of the advice and subsequent risk distributed to investors. The ends often justify the means, and they are rarely, if ever, subject to the losses when they occur. Socially, loan originators are lauded when they get the "really tough ones" done and "shopped" when refusing to defraud institutions to meet client objectives. (This much appraisers relate too since the pressure often gets transferred on to the appraiser for desired results). It's a precarious role where the incentives to exercise prudential underwriting at origination is simply non-existent and taking the "high road" could drive you out of business. Many may disagree with this characterization, but any generalization to the contrary is surely disingenuous.

But here's the irony in all of this. If hypothetically all low-doc/no-doc loans programs were eliminated and every person had to qualify on their true merits of income, credit, and full-appraisal subject to peer review, risk undertones inherent in today's market would dissipate over time. Under that scenario, investor yields would also fade as the flight "from" quality would eventually ensue in search for better returns. This is not a pretty scenario if you know such flights from safety historically account for higher mortgage rates as bond prices drop. Herein lays the quagmire. Risk is necessary, even dumb risk. And the risk layer proposition of the relationships of the marketplace feeds the gamble conducive to premium returns.

All this may seem somewhat on a tangent, but the point is clear. Economic incentives at the investor level have absolutely everything to do with how business is conducted here on earth. The kinetics of trickle-down theory are wholly in affect. Which is why arresting the broker/appraiser relationship as outlined in the HVCC is tantamount to prescribing Advil to treat a chronic autoimmune disorder. It only creates a damaging barrier that will amount to greater public expense and potential for broader dismay towards the system as a whole by it's most competent and ethical practitioners.

Under the recently announced Treasury proposal, imbalances in conduct standards would be essentially wiped out. Originators would be tested, licensed and governed almost identically to appraisers. This raises the logical question of whether or not the HVCC would still be a needed. If brokers acting in a manner unbecoming are faced with bonafide sanctions and civil penalties under the mandated supervision of the state by the Feds, then is the HVCC really necessary?

Many appraisers have voiced concerns that under the HVCC, large Appraisal Management Companies (AMCs) would earn full market share. I personally see no other alternative, either. So here is the inherent problem with this outcome.

AMC fees are notoriously low with little room to negotiate earnings on more complex assignments. As such, many foresee the fallout among the most skilled appraisers who are able to pursue other areas of valuation-there are many. Consequently this means less qualified or less experienced appraisers would dominate the roster in a "reduced fee", "fast turn-time" environment with no real incentive to get it right. As it is, the incentives are already marginal since full reports for AMCs pay roughly 50% of an independent appraiser's fee. (No, the savings are not passed on to the consumer, it becomes margin).

There are a number of appraisers who've acclimated long-ago to this regime and therefore see no issue with the HVCC. I recommend this group imagine for a moment how well they would fare when every appraiser was forced to compete for the same work. Can we say, no longer financially feasible? Let's not forget that origination volume is definitely slowing. The notion that criminal fee pressures net different results than lender pressure for value is ludicrous. Both equally create duress on the practitioner compromising both objectivity and quality.

Nonetheless, it's quality appraisers that may shun this model at a time in history when more valuable than appraiser independence is appraiser competency.

How could this adversely affect the public? How about investors buying mortgage pools?

When appraisers do not get it right, investors either assume too much risk relative to the investment terms, or loose in the form of unrealized volume due to conservative valuations that scuttle otherwise eligible loans. The same is true for consumers. They will either over-borrower or fail to qualify. Here is where the continuity of relationships and interaction between industries has been effective in promoting a robust housing market.

The notion that the HVCC promotes consumer and investor protections is a farce. Indeed, it will be damaging. There is a difference between promoting appraiser independence and controlling the independence of appraisers. True independence is not achieved through firewalls or segregation. Independence has always been a matter of strong moral character, competency and sound judgment of the practitioners. A fragile principle that poorly planned economics will quickly stifle in the name of survival. Competency, embodying all the qualities of independence and impartiality, also carries the spirit of industry stewardship which trumps the pseudo-independence implied in the HVCC.

For more than a decade, appraiser competency was a premium the broader mortgage industry shunned in pursuit of profits. In the name of greater efficiency, AMCs became subsidiaries of the national players whom today are on life support. My hope is that present losses serve as a stark reminder that "you get what you pay for". Given the promise of strong, viable regulatory proposals from the Treasury, Congress and the Federal Reserve (none of which were consulted on this matter to my knowledge) and the high degree of international cooperation for risk and capital standards broadening the interest of systemic good conduct; I say with conviction that this agreement will be nullified and void before years end. However, any outcome to the contrary will clearly label January 1st, 2009, the date when the valuation industry fell from grace. 

*** UPDATES ***

04/16/2008 - Link to Seattle Times article dated 04/15/2008: Appraisers say WaMu cut corners to increase its mortgage business

04/16/2008 - Link to Appraisal Press (a la mode) article dated 04/16/2008: HVCC:  The Cure Is Worse Than The Disease 

 
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68 Comments on An Industry's Fall from Grace – A Few Words About the HVCC

Great article Michael. I wish I knew of better solutions than have been offered recently.  

I just read the play "The Crucible" by Arthur Miller that gives some insight into the Salem Witch Trials.  I saw some definite parallels  with those trial and what we are experiencing today in real estate origination except that back then, everything was out in the open and today there are (possibly inappropriate) "deals" being made behind closed doors. 

I'd be curious as to what alternatives you might offer  that might clean up the current mess and prevent it from happening again.   

04/09/2008 01:04 AM by Rita Bradley-Orange County California- Mortgage Loans (The Lending Foundation)


The appraiser plays a much respected role in the real estate transaction.  I don't believe (as you know) that appraisers are what caused the bubble to blow up or pop.  I still think that it would be easier for them to go after and prosecute those that REALLY did wrong rather than a feel-good band-aid solution.  The problem is, what went wrong was cumulative and you can't really prosecute supply and demand or economics.  Things that actually belong in an appraisal report.

 

04/09/2008 07:57 AM by Renee Burrows - Las Vegas NV Real Estate (Nevada Realty Solutions)


Hi Rita,

First off, thanks for reading. Second, the solutions are out there and under debate. What Treasury has brought to the table on the matter of origination standards/conduct is the core remedy I'd propose. The "culture" problem that ensued over the years - in my view - was completely the product of two issues:

a) uneven standards of conduct between appraisers and originators (and to similar extent, agents), and

b) virtualy non-existent oversight and enforcement over these participants.

Less then "stewardly" relationships between appraisers, originators and agents were more prevalent a few years ago. I argue that if these partcipants were held to the same standards of conduct (pegged to USPAP) and subject to discipline by the same regulator (read Feds), misconduct would be discouraged hugely by the fear of the Federal hammer. At the height of things, there was no fear, for sure.

04/09/2008 08:58 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Renee,  "you can't really prosecute supply and demand or economics." I DIG this line.

It's so true. That's why I don't think moving forward it's about prosecuting anyone, rather, evening the rules for all. No one can undo what's been done. What occurred was akin to the Tulip boom centuries ago. It's a human affair that has to be addressed at the root. Which is why I said in the post:

"But OFHEO and Cuomo clearly felt it was best to simply remove the ability to do bad rather than redress the incentives to do good. Both took a short-sighted solution to a long standing, long-term fundamental problem."

It's about incentives and fear of loss. Everyone has to feel appropriate levels of push/pull to behave in ways becoming. That's what I hope comes of the Treasury and Fed proposals.

Thanks for reading, Renee. :)

04/09/2008 09:06 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


I agree that there has to be a fear of loss Michael but that's not going to happen until the laws are enforced.  If even just USPAP standards had been enforced, if appraisers KNEW that if they inflated values, for instance, that they had a very good chance of being disciplined, loan officers would have had a heck of a time finding an appraiser to do it.  

Yes, loan originators should probably have more regulation but unless there is enforcement of any new laws, they will be meaningless.  

Also, as you know, Cuomo certainly hasn't removed the ability for originators to "do bad".  He's just made a new profit center for banks who own most of the appraisal management companies.  and he may have cut out the middle man (the broker) a direct profit competitor from origination altogether.  

Hope this makes sense.  I shouldn't try to respond to blogs this early in the morning.  

04/09/2008 10:15 AM by Rita Bradley-Orange County California- Mortgage Loans (The Lending Foundation)


"I agree that there has to be a fear of loss Michael but that's not going to happen until the laws are enforced." 

Rita, enforcement is on its way. Not worried about that. The Congress and Feds clearly have their eye on the valuation industry, which is why the Cuomo deal is unnecessary.

"If even just USPAP standards had been enforced, if appraisers KNEW that if they inflated values, for instance, that they had a very good chance of being disciplined, loan officers would have had a heck of a time finding an appraiser to do it." 

USPAP is intended to protect against greed and malfeasances but it can not protect against someone trying to pay rent or feed a family. Those that did buckle surely wouldn't have if the pressure was not their to begin with. Therein is the root cause.

"Yes, loan originators should probably have more regulation but unless there is enforcement of any new laws, they will be meaningless." 

I couldn't agree more. From where I'm sitting, international pressure to reform is their now, when it wasn't as pronounced before. That is the real source of economic incentive to reform the regulatory structure at a Federal level, hence the Treasury proposal.

"Also, as you know, Cuomo certainly hasn't removed the ability for originators to "do bad".  He's just made a new profit center for banks who own most of the appraisal management companies."

No doubt. That's why I advocate the alternative.

"and he may have cut out the middle man (the broker) a direct profit competitor from origination altogether."

Which is why I would urge originators and others to consider this view objectively. The shake-out in ensuing, and will only get worse unless their lobby groups rethink their strategy and volunteer delineated standards of conduct with Federal oversight. It's headed their anyways, so be a part of the solution rather than part of the resistance to maintain the existing problem. I would also press for consumer adherence to these issues. Since the pressure often begins on the borrowing side. I say this from my experience with ethical clients that have to shoot down borrower's still caught up in the madness of the past.

PS. I appreciate the discussion. It needs to be had.

04/09/2008 10:35 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Sorry Michael, but I couldn't disagree more...

 HVCC is the most refreshing proposal to come along in the 35 years I have been an appraiser.

We absolutely need an impenetrable firewall between mortgage brokers/commissioned loan officers/real estate brokers and appraisers.  This is the 1st proposal to have a real chance to install such a firewall.

Will it be 100% effective?  Of course not, but it's a start.

It also goes a long way in eliminating closed door lender blacklists and giving the appraiser an opportunity to defend him/her self.

The only negative in my eyes (of HVCC) is the possible unintended consequence of driving more business to AMC's & the IVPI committee is working very hard to prevent that from occuring.

04/10/2008 05:40 PM by Kenneth Rossman - Long Island, NY CG Appraiser (Appraiser, Ken Rossman)


Kenneth, thanks for the comment. Let's take this slowly.

First, a proposal of this magnitude potentially impairing the business of thousands of appraisers should have been legislated via congress. Impact study and all.

Second, the circumstances surrounding the agreement are suspect to say the least. How exactly was the cause of Cuomo's investigation satisfied by a "cooperation" agreement? What evidence was discovered during the investigation that supports the logic of the firewall? These unknowns have to be addressed publicly, through Congress. As a citizen, not just an appraiser, I demand it.

Third, the HVCC is tantamount to pulling a child out of school because he was being bullied. I say address the bully instead of isolating the child. Regarding: "Will it be 100% effective?  Of course not, but it's a start"

I have a huge problem with this. Any failures that occur will be at higher levels posing a greater threat to the practitioners and investors. One thing is to have eAppraiseIT blow it (if indeed they did, we'll never know), and it's entirely another for an industry-wide system to blow it.

I respect your experience and service, Kenneth. I really do. Given that, you have to see the systemic problem any failures in its management and execution pose.

Finally, the unintended consequences are too obvious to ignore. And no, the VPI will not be able to stop AMC share without imposing even more layers of regulation on the AMCs themselves. We're jumping through too many hoops for a cause that does not address the root of the problem...uneven ethics, standards and oversight among industries. (All three of which are being addressed already in Congress and by the Feds).

Again, I appreciate the discussion. Best.

04/10/2008 06:39 PM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Congress and those (Federal) agencies that have oversight have woefully failed over the past 20 years to reign in the abuse. If anything Fraud has blossomed exponentially over the last 7-10 years.

More BS regulations with no meaningful enforcement from congress would change nothing, just rearrange the deck chairs while the ship continues to sink.

A fundamental shift, removing control of the ordering and oversight of appraisals (from mortgage brokers and commisioned loan officers) was sorely needed.

In any event HVCC is a done deal, all that remains is whether or not appraisers will take this once in a lifetime opportunity to attempt to have a say in what their future will look like.

Since I already have essentially NO mortgage business (I have lost thousands of lender clients over the years, because I won't deliver values I can't adequately support nor will I remove comments about detrimental conditions) I have the freedom to accept this change with open arms.

04/10/2008 07:17 PM by Kenneth Rossman - Long Island, NY CG Appraiser (Appraiser, Ken Rossman)


Good morning, Kenneth. At best, 1 in 5 assignments I handle are mortgage related. I could just as easily replace that “1” with more of the “other” category I specialize in. My position is not financially motivated and is entirely objective.

I suggest taking a really long and hard look at the various proposals on the table before committing 100% to the HVCC. The HVCC is the answer to an era that’s past us. You’re 35 years of experience, and my 12, were during very opaque times. The last 7-10 were no doubt frenzied and disorderly. But let’s lay blame where it belongs. Deregulation in the 80’s spawned the problems we see today. But regulation is coming back with a vengeance and this time, it’s broad and way more all encompassing in nature.

As far as the HVCC being “a done deal”, I’m not convinced. The comment period isn’t over yet. But assuming it goes forward, FHA is expanding it’s footprint on the industry and not subject to the agreement. Nor is subprime/Alt-A gone all together. Anyone who believes Wall Street is going to stay out of the game forever is highly mistaken. This credit crisis “hiccup” will pass quickly. And Fannie and Freddie will have their hands tied to compete with Wall Street when they return. This agreement is more of a cease and desist order than anything else.

What is total lunacy is that the Cooperation Agreement is set to expire July 2010. Fannie and Freddie will be free to reverse terms of loan purchasing (remove the firewall) at that time. The VPI will remain for its mandated 5 years but funding past that remains uncertain. You’re characterization of the HVCC as “the most refreshing proposal” is misguided. The assumption that the agreement, birthing the proposal, was in our best interest, is equally misguided. Lets not confuse a "good idea" with the facts and implications surrounding this agreement.

04/11/2008 09:29 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Michael,

We could go back & forth forever & it's very unlikely either of us would ever come around to the others position.

While the agreement will likely be fine tuned after the comment period, primarily to attempt to mitigate any "unintended consequences", the core agreement is most certainly a done deal.

The 2010 twilight is merely a timeframe to get the IVPI (called for in HVCC, not the committee proposal) in place.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree...

Ken

04/11/2008 09:39 AM by Kenneth Rossman - Long Island, NY CG Appraiser (Appraiser, Ken Rossman)


Michael, Too many words in your post. Did you write them all?

At this late date I am surprised that there is so little understanding of what "caused" the mortgage/housing crisis. It was NOT valuations because valuations are simply a "snapshot" in time. It wasn't rampant fraud. Yes, there was some fraud, but there always is.

The Fed "caused" the problem from start to finish by their manipulation of interest rates and liquidity. It caused the runup in prices (low rates) and the abandonment by the speculators (high rates). This put the market into freefall. A predictable consequence of their (the Fed) actions.

I say leave the appraisers alone. They were just doing their job. They don't utilize crystal balls to project the future valuation, they utilize "historical" data to document the current value only. If prices fell it was not the appraisers fault.

Bill Roberts

04/11/2008 10:25 AM by Bill Roberts - "Baby Boomer" Retirement Planning (Brooks and Dunphy Real Estate)


Bill -

The Fed's manipulation of rates is a factor but certainly not the only factor...

Coercion of appraisers by Mortgage Brokers, Commissioned Loan Officers and Real Estate Brokers has become increasingly more prevalent over the last 10-15 years.

Valuations substantially over real market value as a direct result of that coercion is certainly a significant contributing factor to the avalanche of foreclosures we are drowning in.

I still continue to see it almost every day.

 

04/11/2008 10:42 AM by Kenneth Rossman - Long Island, NY CG Appraiser (Appraiser, Ken Rossman)


Hi Bill, good to see you. Yes, I wrote this whole darn thing ma'self. Will cut the next ones short, for sure.

You're totally right about the scope and limitations of an appraiser and an appraisal. And definately right on the money about the Fed's role in this mess. I wrote a post on "stress testing appraisals" recently which talks about redefining what appraisers do for mortgage-related valuations. In the comments I proposed including future value analysis - which is different from an bonafide stress test - but would give lenders insight into the appraisers competency, as well as outlook of a given market. Valuable communication absent in todays lender-based work, or easily missed by the "snapshot" approach we've done for eternity.

Thanks for stopping by.

Michael

04/11/2008 10:55 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Again, the barriers you support Ken are the same barriers that do not address the modern needs of today's market. The HVCC is a band-aid to the real world problems. Let me go on record to say I don't mind the VPI. It is another layer but atleast it's a centralized layer of oversight of the all players. But I'm not for the firewall. It's a lazy way out of addressing real deficiencies in our system.

04/11/2008 11:05 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Nothing on the legislation or enforcement side of the equation has EVER been able to curtail mortgage brokers, commisioned loan officers and real estate brokers from manipulating the process by controlling the appraisal.

By the GSE's agreeing to refuse to purchase loans with appraisals procured by those who stand to benefit by the results thereof completely alters the landscape...

04/11/2008 11:32 AM by Kenneth Rossman - Long Island, NY CG Appraiser (Appraiser, Ken Rossman)


Your first comment makes my point, Ken. While brokers may have "controlled" the appraisals, weren't lenders were doing due diligence? What happened to appraisal review? Wouldn't an independent reviewer have caught the short comings of the first appraisal?

"By the GSE's agreeing to refuse to purchase loans with appraisals procured by those who stand to benefit by the results thereof completely alters the landscape..."

The correct term I would use is "disfigures the landscape". It lets banks and investors further off the hook for due diligence.

Lets examine how HUD is addressing valuation issues. In the backdrop of higher loan limit provisions, they just released mortgagee letter 2008-09 regarding dual appraisals for high cost and cash out loans. Personally, that guide should be for ALL loans. Including Fannie and Freddie, regardless of investor guides.

http://www.hud.gov/offices/adm/hudclips/letters/mortgagee/08-09ml.doc

 

 

04/11/2008 11:54 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


I think its funny that the originators, realtors, and other interested parties are afraid to step into this conversation. You summarize well that we're all in this together, and provide one heck of a compelling argument supporting your stance based on reality, not some wishy washy desire to have things remain 'status quo'.

04/11/2008 02:15 PM by Bill Nazur (Nazur Enterprises, Inc. & BAMG)


 

Michael,

How serious is the lenders review and underwriting when it's overseen/controlled by loan production? HVCC puts the appraisal back under the purview of quality control by reviewers/legal etc. whose income is strictly mandated to not be based upon sales/loan production.

Hud is another cesspool of coercion and fraudulent inflated appraisals - the only change is now two bs appraisals will be required instead of one.

Bill,

How is an appraiser supposed to remain independent/ethical under the status quo when almost every assignment (from many if not most mortgage brokers and commissioned loan officers comes with a value needed and a note that you should please call before proceeding, if there will be a problem reaching the "needed value" or the appraiser is threatened with no future business if they refuse to remove comments about negative market conditions or physical problems involving the subject property that we are required under USPAP or GSE guidelines to report?.

04/11/2008 03:17 PM by Kenneth Rossman - Long Island, NY CG Appraiser (Appraiser, Ken Rossman)


Ken,

Let's take AMC reviews for a second (as marginal as they are when done out-of-state). Your assumption that brokers have any influence on who Landsafe, for example, chooses for a review is entirely false. I have colleagues I've personally trained who review for them, no pressure what so ever. Production and valuation are entirely separated as far as they report.

As for your comment about HUD, it's clear you've lost all faith in your peers. Two "BS" appraisals? Oh please. A segregated, under-paid and over-worked society of appraisers run thin would produce far more deleterious results.

So far Ken, I've addressed you're concerns. How about tackling tougher issues I raise in this post. If you're stance stems from nothing more than I trust no one, government sucks so let's build a great wall to China...this conversation is over.

04/11/2008 03:56 PM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


I have no problem with AMC's other than most (at least those for profit in my market) pay chump change - I don't & won't work for AMCs that pay $125 to $200+/- for a full 1004 URAR.

On the other hand, there was the WAMU EAppraise-it fiasco - there was some pretty convincing evidence there...

I agree with HVCCs limiting lenders (and others providing settlement services) ownership in AMCs - hopefully they will lower the ownership interest from 20% to zero - as it should be.

I haven't lost faith in my peers - It just disgusts me to see the honest/ethical ones starve while the number hitters prosper.

FWIW, under the IVPI (committee) proposal, appraisers would be paid a reasonable "full" fee with a management fee paid to IVPI seperately and above the appraisal fee paid to the appraiser.

There are no other relevant issues.

What Congress might do several years from now after the lobbyists get it watered down to the status quo is meaningless.

HVCC will happen and appraisers who hope for a better future can influence that future by standing with IVPI and making their opinion known so it/they can count.

04/11/2008 04:19 PM by Kenneth Rossman - Long Island, NY CG Appraiser (Appraiser, Ken Rossman)


Contract AMC work is slave labor. Period... I totally agree. Fee pressure combined with "24-hour" turn-time pressure under these market conditions is a recipe for disaster.

Regarding eAppraiseIT. I heard the speculation, know about the investigation, but have [not] seen evidence of malfeasances between WAMU and eAppraiseIT. I know of the emails, but since when is inappropriate contact evidence of inappropriate action. If you have evidence to the contrary, please forward as I've not been privy to it.

I also agree that lenders (all players really) need to be held to a standard of ethics and conduct aligned with that of appraisers , central in it's oversight. Foretunately for me the few lenders I serve already practice ethical lending. No value pressure, no bribes, no turn-time issues, etc. And based on the return-business they get, they don't seem to be selling bad loans that don't square with borrowers, either.

I'd venture to say that many who walked the "thin line" in the past are probably somewhat reformed, or in process of. There isn't much wiggle room for foul play these days, especially with valuation. So, again, the incentives to clean up are already taking shape. I surely don't get fished for value anymore. Not to say I won't consult an established client on a file.

There is much to love about the HVCC. You and I only diverge on the firewall element. I'm for lenders reducing AMC ownership to zero, and dissolving their monopoly of bundled services. If you're going to lend, lend. If you're going to appraise, appraise and do it with conviction.

Finally, I too see many appraisers who are starving, Ken. Guys and gals who more than talented are staunch believers of industry stewardship and ethical practice. Of course, that's met them with hardship. A problem the firewall can't change just looking at the sheer over supply of appraisers for such a system.

04/11/2008 05:02 PM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Some agreement at last... 

I have nothing too add (now) on WAMU - Eappraise-it that I can post publicly, but trust me it will be public soon enough along with numerous other similar "connections" - I'll post the info/links when I am allowed.

IVPI Q & A part II with lots of specific details will be ready early next week I'll post it as soon as I can.

HVCC and IVPI can do nothing about oversupply of appraisers, natural market forces/cycles will take care of themselves.

Have faith & keep an open mind...

04/11/2008 05:21 PM by Kenneth Rossman - Long Island, NY CG Appraiser (Appraiser, Ken Rossman)


Bill - Appreciate that. This isn't just an appraisal issue. The consumer also has a say in this. Today, a buyer can pick their appraiser. I've been selected for a few just from my short time blogging here in the rain. With this agreement, the buyer pays for an appraisal that "someone else" picks regardless of competency or reputation.

Ken - "HVCC and IVPI can do nothing about oversupply of appraisers, natural market forces/cycles will take care of themselves."

Again, as the markets contract, these forces in and of themselves are reshaping incentives. I have way more faith in the outcomes of the Fed/Treasury proposal under current recessive periods than anything this agreement pretends to accomplish. Open mind, Ken? Not a problem. Closed door deals, Ken? Problem.

Rita - I venture to say the results of the Q&A will be predictable. I'm curious most of all over Cuomo's investigation findings.

04/12/2008 07:35 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Michael -

While I do feel that this policy seems to point fingers at the appraisers and not so much at other RE professionals (and consumers) that may or may not have been to blame in past transactions, we appraisers should be quite used to and thick skinned about taking the brunt of the blame.  My feeling is that if this new policy does not work, then perhaps the public may find that it's not just the appraisers to blame.  If it does work, then it will likely spread beyond Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (as most appraisal changes eventually do). 

I wasn't around for the reaction from appraisers in the late 80's when the ASB was created and all these new rules took effect, but I'd imagine some of the same discussions were going on...

Do I think that Cuomo's solution/negotiation to FM and FA is just? No.  But I still have hopes that if this is all carefully thought out and input is provided from all sources, we might just come up with a solution that redeems negative thoughts about the entire industry.

The fact that the standard Calyx Form ('Request For Appraisal') has a field for estimated value (which is nearly always filled out in my experience) tells me that there are many facets beyond the appraisal that need to be remedied.

04/12/2008 11:43 AM by Sara Goodwin - Portland, Oregon Appraiser (Ashcroft & Associates)


Michael,

I'm pretty sure homeowners choosing their appraiser for mortgage related transactions is against Fannie guidelines (and USPAP?).  That's a practice that must be done away with.  You are right that appraisers, LOs and realtors will find ways to get around these (expensive) measures.

I heartily agree that underwriters have a responsibility to kick back fraudulent and/or poorly executed appraisals and to report the appraiser to the appropriate authority for discipline and education. 

I'm not aware of what sorts of education are required for underwriters.  My impression is that they are "grown-up" processors but that's my take.  As I think you may have alluded to Michael, perhaps more education, guidelines and enforcement should be in place for underwriters as well. 

04/12/2008 12:25 PM by Rita Bradley-Orange County California- Mortgage Loans (The Lending Foundation)


Every market has different needs. More stable areas could bear the shortcomings inherent in big business AMCs better than those with more complex geographical and socio-economic issues. Rita, being in OC, I’m sure understands the point I’m making here.

The pressure AMCs place on contract appraisers both financially and time-wise are not feasible out here. (I've done perhaps 5 assignments in 12 years for these companies. I know first-hand what they're about). Some market’s are inherently more complex than others, and given the crisis, have become more so. The loan denominations are exceedingly high out here, and require even more due diligence due to rapidly deteriorating data quality (foreclosures galore).

If the HVCC results in any semblance to AMCs of today, it will be detrimental not just to the industry, but investors as well. To this extent I would likely bow out of agency business altogether barring any reality to the contrary which remains to be seen. Good thing I'm FHA active already, a sector that's booming and likely to outpace Fannie as prices continue to drop.

04/12/2008 01:28 PM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Michael , I am scratching my head here to come up with an intelligent comment... ( see what you just did to me?...) I don't have that many years of experience in the real estate market, all thow I worked with several appraisals over the time. Reading your post makes me understand the complexity of the issue.

I will remain on the wing here, reading the comments and your professionally charged contra arguments. It is a lot to learn... Thank you for the hard work and passion you put in this post.

 

04/12/2008 06:10 PM by Arina Hanciulescu (ELITE REALTY)


There are still many areas that are in decline in OC Michael.  There are a couple of good AMCs but they are few and far between. 

04/12/2008 09:35 PM by Rita Bradley-Orange County California- Mortgage Loans (The Lending Foundation)


Arina, thank you. It's all about addressing the root cause of a problem for the long-term. Sorry about the head scratching. :-)

Rita, I'm sure there are. Appreciate your imput.

04/13/2008 07:57 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Sara, if this ever was remotely about public sentiment toward our business, this would have been legislated through Congress. It's not about the public. The deal, at it's root, is so corrupt, I can't believe it. It's why I'm having a hard time believing anyone here is satisfied with the outcome. Let's assume total collusion was the result of the investigation between eAppraiseIT and WAMU, it would ONLY PROVE my point that centralizing appraisers to any similar model will be MORE of a risk to lenders, investors, appraisers and consumers. The big business system will fail again by the wrong doing of the few. Too effen risky. If it's going centralized, put it in government hands but do not let it be "public run" so to speak. Like Ken, I'm highly, highly untrusting of others in such capacities.

My argument is simple. Instead of rechanneling orders and creating more and more layers in our system which ALWAYS phucks things up, (a) put the fear of GOD into the origination community to NOT commit foul play (read: severe penalties and oversight presence), and/or (b) reform the incentives (read: change how they are paid, instead of fee basis, passive income basis so they originate quality, not quantity). This is what this post ultimately about.

04/13/2008 08:21 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Addendum: Regarding incentives, the Mishkin excerpt above talks directly to the point I just made.

"The originate-to-distribute model, unfortunately, created some severe incentive problems, which are referred to as principal-agent problems, or more simply as agency problems, in which the agent (the originator of the loans) did not have the incentives to act fully in the interest of the principal (the ultimate holder of the loan).  Originators had every incentive to maintain origination volume, because that would allow them to earn substantial fees, but they had weak incentives to maintain loan quality.  When loans went bad, originators lost money, mainly because of the warranties they provided on loans; however, those warranties often expired as quickly as ninety days after origination."

Again, my views are not wishful thinking. This is being addressed, as we speak, at extremely high levels. Which is why the firewall is nothing but a stupid little band-aid to a problem that is being addressed in earnest by parties that really matter. I believe OFHEO, under the Treasury or Fed plan, would be dismantled. They're under pressure to make it appear, not to us, but to the Fed and Treasury that they're being effective. I say it's too little too late.

04/13/2008 08:45 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


The primary goal of USPAP is to promote and maintain a HIGH level of public trust in appraisal practice.

Our "public" for the most part is uninformed about appraisal management companies.  Maybe they don't know that it is alleged that WaMu owned E-appraiseIT was opening PDF'd appraisal reports and possibly changing these legal documents to make them more favorable to pushing loans through.  Do you think most of the public even understands that these possibly shady folks are now going to OWN appraisers?  Do most appraisers understand this? 

I think appraisers are so excited about no longer receiving those annoying and insulting calls and emails from loan officers fishing for value (and I can certainly understand that!) that they've lost sight that we may be  jumping into the frying pan and into the fire.  You can hang up on a sleazy loan officer very easily.  There's thousands more where he came from but if there are 3 large appraisal management companies in the country controlling who gets appraisal assignments, it's going to be a little harder for the appraiser to hang up the phone, with his livelihood on the line.  Banks (and they are the ones that own the appraisal management companies) are waaay more powerful than any one loan officer and without the proper oversight they will shred the honest appraiser's career and we will be left with only the number hitting puppets to try to earn the public trust.  What a joke.  

I know that you understand this Michael but I'm not sure others do.  Maybe there are plans for excellent oversight of AMCs.  If there are, someone put us out of our misery and let us know!

Another thought.  Why in the world does FNMA (Fannie Mae) still want to purchase loans from WaMu?  

 

04/13/2008 10:00 AM by Rita Bradley-Orange County California- Mortgage Loans (The Lending Foundation)


Rita, Bingo...

As for WAMU/Fannie, can't say other than perhaps nothing material, or otherwise, not already factored into the risk equation, was found in the investigation. Which, by the way, was cut-short with the agreement.

Think about this for second. On the matter of WAMU/EAIT; Are their any real incentives, for anything other than desired results or reports that align with Cuomo's objectives, to be made public now that Fannie, Freddie and OFHEO signed into an agreement?

I don't think so.

04/13/2008 11:07 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Michael -

I understand your grievances as to where these decisions are coming from, but do you not agree that something needs to be done? 

 I don't care to be lumped in with unscrupulous appraisers, loan officers, etc.  which in turn make a mockery of the entire appraisal process.  And as these new events will become reality, It would be a nice change if appraisers across the board got a significant pay increase to cover the cost of these potentially inevitable AMCs.

Unrealistic? Perhaps ... but why not?  Nearly every other employee of real estate is based on commision and so they have naturally seen an increase in pay as prices rise (not a good example currently, I suppose) and here we are facing the possibility of a decrease across the board.  The idea of it chaps my hide, but gaining credibility in the profession again?  It could just be worth it (depending on what sort of cuts we are looking at).

You mentioned that you ran an AMC at one time.  Didn't you take a fee?

04/13/2008 12:33 PM by Sara Goodwin - Portland, Oregon Appraiser (Ashcroft & Associates)


Small business AMC. Much the same where you work now. Not the conglomerated version that takes lion share for ruining this industry.

04/13/2008 01:05 PM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Wow... I never really considered myself working for an AMC - We simply share costs, not clients.  So although in literal terms, it could be called an AMC, I see where lines can be easily drawn -

What would your solution be?  Simply exposing Freddie and Fannie and leaving the rest alone? A two to three appraiser system like with Relocation appraisals? More involvement from state run appraiser boards? Total abandonment of the issue?

04/14/2008 10:48 AM by Sara Goodwin - Portland, Oregon Appraiser (Ashcroft & Associates)


Hi Sara, read the Treasury proposal and focus on the part of "Origination". That will cover a lot of what I'm for. In short, strict oversight and governance (national licensing/registry) of the brokerage industry. This system of licensing should also subject originators to a signed standards of conduct and ethics with elements of HVCC language explicit in their COE. I'm for the VPI to the extent it serves appraisers, originators and the public. Meaning, as I understand it, issues can be centrally handled through a single national authority overseeing conduct issues. Less confusion and fair for all sides creating common language and penalties for appraisers, originators and the public especially on matters of coersion, pressure, compensation, etc. That's the short, near term solution I'm after. On the broader issue of industry incentives, the IMF, BIS, Fed, Treasury, and others are working those details out since it's fundamentally a banking regulation/supervision issue. (That inherently effects conduct at the origination level which is why I focus on it in the post).

04/14/2008 11:07 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


I know you're addressing Michael Sara but I have to throw my 2 cents in too.  I would suggest first and foremost that we enforce the rules and laws already on the books.  Then, let's stop rewarding Fannie/Freddie and fraudulent AMCs with more ways to gain business.  Finally, if AMCs will be running the show, let's make sure they are as regulated as Appraisers and Loan Originators (it's coming) are. Oh wait-let's also hold underwriters, CDO rating agency etc. accountable for their actions.  

04/14/2008 11:11 AM by Rita Bradley-Orange County California- Mortgage Loans (The Lending Foundation)


Rita, I see you've been studying up on the rating agencies. Awesome! So then you understand why this is a systemic problem that the firewall approach is no where near addressing.

Sara, in short, the industry needs to address the source of pressure, not the buckling of it. That's the long standing problem.

04/14/2008 11:19 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


When a system no longer rewards it's participants for being ethical, the incentives need to be re-tweaked.

04/14/2008 11:21 AM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Because we need to get a life??

My kids think I need a hobby.  I told them work is my hobby.

I think most appraisers are not very informed about this.  Cuomo and his cronies are depending on this fact.  On the surface it looked like a good proposal but if you take the time to really look at it (as you have done Michael) it's not a good deal at all for appraisers or the public.   

Kind of like when I thought GW would be a good president because he appeared to be a bible believing Christian.  Not all that glitters is gold.   

04/14/2008 12:01 PM by Rita Bradley-Orange County California- Mortgage Loans (The Lending Foundation)


Cuomo is only looking for face time, he wants national exposure, to move is career along. But he doesn't want to piss off the big boys, who buy the $2500.00 a plate fund raising dinners. How many Appraiser do you know, buy $2500.00 a plate dinners? I bet there a lot of bankers who do!  

04/14/2008 12:28 PM by Michael Zollo-Certified Residential Appraiser, South Florida (A-Z Appraisals, Inc.)


Rita, getting duped is never fun. At least on this issue, we have an educated say on the matter.

Zollo, cool of you to take part in the festivities here. Even at the very height of things, I wouldn't throw down $2500 on a dinner plate. Though we all may need to spend that on a 18 month supply of vaseline if this thing sticks...

Hmmm. Pandering, vaseline, pandering, vaseline.... decisions decisions...

Thanks for coming by.

04/14/2008 12:39 PM by Michael Tarabotto (Certified Appraiser) Santa Clarita, San Fernando, Westside (California Appraisal Solutions Corp.)


Michael I'm seeing a different side of you today...especially over at Arina's blog. Have a nice day!

04/14/2008 12:51 PM by Rita Bradley-Orange County California- Mortgage Loans (The Lending Foundation)


You too, Rita!

04/14/2008 12:54 PM by Michael Tarabotto


Everybody says the Cuomo deal is only going to effect Fannie & Fred only, but the nonconforming lenders will follow suit as they always do. The 2005 update forms were to be used for Fannie deals only, then they all started crying, we need them on the new forms.

Should they go after the big boys, Hell Yes. Will they I think not. Even if every Appraiser joined just one group, our voices would still not be heard, there is just not enough of us. We don't have the numbers like the AMA, or NRA. So I would have to say, Pam's deal is about the best deal we are going to see.

04/14/2008 03:08 PM by Michael Zollo-Certified Residential Appraiser, South Florida (A-Z Appraisals, Inc.)


Michael Z.

I've only been vaguely aware that this is "Pam's deal" as you put it.  I don't want that information to influence my thinking on the topic.  I think the world of her-I just hope she's not being tricked. 

04/14/2008 03:52 PM by Rita Bradley-Orange County California- Mortgage Loans (The Lending Foundation)


Rita,

I don't have a problem with IVPI proposal, if we have to go with the so called FIREWALL. I think the IVPI Proposal is the best thing I've seen so far(I've already signed up). What I have a problem with is that all the crap that is dumped on the Appraisers, while everyone else who make the real money skates away. I'm tired of all of us being the whipping boy(or girl), for everything thats wrong with the system. I've had a hell of a lot more brokers or bankers ask me to commit fraud than appraisers. The funny thing is, the appraisers that I knew were bad lost their license, but the brokers are still working, go figure. I apologize Rita if my language is a little colorful(or Street), but thats where I'm from. I've worked on the streets of New York and South Florida for many years. 5 years ago I started working in appraising, I worked hard to educate myself in this field, asked questions, and finely became a certified residential appraiser, and I'm very proud of that. Am I the best Appraiser out there, no, but I think I'm a good one who is not afraid to ask questions, or consult with a peer when I need help. To have it all fall apart though no fault of my own, is very disheartening to say the least.

04/14/2008 06:27 PM by Michael Zollo-Certified Residential Appraiser, South Florida (A-Z Appraisals, Inc.)


I didn't take offense sir. I do feel for those of you who have been in this field for a long time.  I feel like we have a bulls-eye painted on our backs or something. 

04/14/2008 09:04 PM by Rita Bradley-Orange County California- Mortgage Loans (The Lend