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Why the word NO is not always acceptable, nor should it be & don't buy HP supplies in advance

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Real Estate Agent with Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker DRE #00697006

Although my husband may disagree with what I'm about to say, that's his prerogative, but I think of myself as a pretty easy-going and mostly unfazed person. It takes a lot to rile me up. Like most people, I suppose, I do get my knickers into a twist when I'm dealing with unethical behavior, injustice or discrimination. But lousy customer service, hey, I live in California, so I've pretty much comes to terms with the fact that we have too many people to serve and underpaid / untrained staff to adequately serve consumers.

In my own business, for example, keeping my clients happy and content is my foremost concern. But larger corporations seem to have lost that intimate touch with the consumer, wouldn't you agree? Well, you see some companies putting more emphasis on making that good first impression by changing the name of their receptionists. They now call them Directors of First Impressions. I wish only they would consider the same service after the fact such as when a customer calls for assistance after purchasing a product. I'm thinking they should change the name of customer service reps to Director of Last Impressions. Because how a customer is treated after the sale is just about as important as the service one receives before the sale, but I'm getting ahead of myself.

customer service bellThree years ago I bought a HP laserjet 2550L printer for about $300. The supplies, on the other hand, cost about $600 a pop, which amount to four color cartridges and an imaging drum. My printer was humming along nicely until about a year ago. Since then, it started to make groaning noises when printing, which sort of sounded like the printer was about to throw a bearing or maybe explode on the spot. What the heck, I kept buying supplies and keeping my fingers crossed it would keep chugging along.

Wouldn't you know it -- the morning I was scheduled to leave on a trip to Austin for an About.com conference -- the printer stopped working. I couldn't even print my boarding pass. It simply refused to print. Thumbed its nose at me. It cycled through all the lights, moaned and tried to spit forth a document but seemed, well, constipated. I asked my husband to take it apart while I was gone to see if he could find an object, maybe cat food bits or plant debris, the normal things that fly around my desk, stuck inside.

His prognosis to me later by email was the printer had died a quick and pain-free death. OK, says I, then please buy me a 3600N laserjet because I knew once I returned home, I'd have to hit the streets running taking care of my real estate clients. I wouldn't have time to drive to Office Depot to buy a new printer, dispose of my old one, hook up the new printer and spend several hours reading instruction manuals written in broken English.

My husband is a saint. He performed as requested, and I was delighted to find my new printer already in place and ready to rock and roll when I got home.

But then I remembered that I had four cartridges and an imaging drum sitting in their respective unopened boxes in my closet. So, I called HP to order new supplies for my new printer and asked them to pick up and refund the cost of my old supplies. Seemed like a reasonable and logical thing to do, right?

HP: No, you cannot return your supplies. They were purchased more than 21 days ago.

ME: But, you see, it's not my fault your printer up and died on me. I bought a new printer from you plus more supplies today.

HP: Sorry, you can't return the old supplies. It's our policy.

ME: I'm hearing the word no from you, and that is not the word I want to hear. I want to hear that you care enough to make your customers happy. Right now, I am not happy. Yup, I am an unhappy customer.

HP: We're still saying no. But you could sell them on Cragislist. Or eBay. Even if I wanted to refund your money, my computer won't let me input the return. (I really liked that reason. It's the computer's fault.)

ME: What I hear you saying is, Elizabeth, you were a dummy to buy a new HP printer. You should have gone to XEROX instead. I'm also hearing you say that I should buy supplies for my new HP printer from your competitors, companies that also charge less than HP charges; is that right? You're telling me that you do not want me for a customer any more, right?  Maybe I should talk to your supervisor.

HP: My supervisor will tell you no, too. (Well, put the supervisor on the phone.)

HP SUPERVISOR: No, we cannot refund nor take back your supplies. Look at this way, if you bought a new Mercedes that the dealer filled with gas and, say, it broke down on the road. If you took it back to the Mercedes dealer and asked for a refund on the gas, Mercedes would refuse. This is no different.

ME: That's where your logical is flawed. Mercedes WOULD refund the cost of the gas because that's the way Mercedes works. They also give me free car washes and anywhere in the world my car breaks down, Mercedes is there at no charge to me to tow it and fix it. Mercedes believes in customer service, which it appears, HP does not.  I need to speak to a person at HP who will refund my money. Who would that be, because it's obviously not you, and I don't want to waste any more of your time.

After being transferred to a dozen different individuals, all of whom repeated the HP mantra of NO, I was finally connected to a case manager. I explained my situation and guess what? HP does refund the cost of supplies. If this happens to you, here is what you do:

  • Locate the serial number of your old printer, you will need it
  • Call technical support
  • Ask to speak to a case manager. Nobody else. Just the case manager.

From now on, I am not buying printer supplies more than one day in advance from HP. And I suggest you don't stock up on supplies from HP either.

But don't ever be a person who accepts "no" as an answer when you feel you are being treated unfairly.

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Elizabeth Weintraub is co-partner of Weintraub & Wallace Team of Top Producing Realtors, an author, home buying expert at The Balance, a Land Park resident, and a veteran real estate agent who specializes in older, classic homes in Land Park, Curtis Park, Midtown, Carmichael and East Sacramento, as well as tract homes in Elk Grove, Natomas, Roseville and Lincoln. Call Elizabeth Weintraub at 916.233.6759. Put our combined 80 years of real estate experience to work for you. Broker-Associate at RE/MAX Gold. DRE License # 00697006.

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Comments(7)

Audrey June-Forshey
RE/MAX Realty Services - Darnestown, MD
GRI, Gaithersburg, MD

Good story.  I hate taking no for an answer too.  Case manager?  I will have to remember that, I usually dont get passed the supervisor, who I am sure is the deskmate right next to them!

Thanks and good for you!

Apr 09, 2008 12:16 PM
Nancy Brenner
Referral Associates of Georgia, Inc. - Roswell, GA
Roswell Georgia Real Estate Agent
OY! I just bought a new HP printer - but I got it at Costco. And only bought one set of replacement cartridges.  Thanks for letting us know to ask directly for a Case Manager to save time and have less frustration!
Apr 09, 2008 06:29 PM
Jesse Clifton
Jesse Clifton & Associates - Fairbanks, AK

Damn right.  If they sell it then they need to stand behind it.  Good to know you finally got through to someone with a brain. 

On a side note, you must be working your little fingers to the bone.  I was about to think you had given up on us. 

Apr 09, 2008 08:28 PM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

Hi Audrey: Yes, "case manager" is the magic phrase, but you can't get to a case manager unless you have a serial number for the printer. When you call technical support, it's automated. I figure I enunciate rather well, but sometimes the computer can't understand the words: laser printer. My neighbors must think me nuts as I walk around the back yard screaming into my cell phone: laser printer, laser printer, laser printer.

Hi Nancy: It doesn't matter where you bought your HP printer. However, when you use up your replacement cartridges -- and you'll know when you're getting low because the printer will tell you -- order new supplies at that point and not before. You can buy them online from other companies that charge a bit less than HP, but HP offers free shipping and next-day delivery.

Hi Jesse & Kathy: I have been working my little fingers to the bone. Plus, I was in Austin for four days, attending the About.com conference. They hold 3 to 4 of them a year, and I try to make it to at least half, if not more. It's a chance to meet the other "guides" who write for About.com, pick up new SEO techniques and hobnob with the About.com staff. Not to mention, the flashy-splashy cocktail party at the Austin Museum of Art, the catered conference lunch and the Salt Lick BBQ goodbye dinner, all gratis of About.com. In the past four days, I've written five offers, and I have two new listings coming up. I've been a little swamped for time, but I will never abandon you guys. :)

And Teri, even though your message vanished into thin air, I do understand what you mean about the offshore customer service reps. Sometimes the phone connection is bad and I can barely hear them, and even if I do hear them, I can't figure out half of what they are saying. But then I remember my mother's wise words: they can speak two languages; how many can you speak?


Apr 10, 2008 04:23 AM
Jesse Clifton
Jesse Clifton & Associates - Fairbanks, AK

Sounds like a good time was had in Austin.  Hobnobbing, SEO and cocktails?  What more could one want?  How long have you been writing for About.com? 

5 offers in 4 days... I like the sound of that.   We haven't quite rebounded to that point but Kathy and I are much, much busier than we were even last month, despite dismal overall March sales numbers. 

Apr 10, 2008 08:15 AM
Jesse Clifton
Jesse Clifton & Associates - Fairbanks, AK

Sounds like a good time was had in Austin.  Hobnobbing, SEO and cocktails?  What more could one want?  How long have you been writing for About.com? 

5 offers in 4 days... I like the sound of that.   We haven't quite rebounded to that point but Kathy and I are much, much busier than we were even last month, despite dismal overall March sales numbers. 

Apr 10, 2008 08:15 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

I've been the home buying columnist for two years at About.com. It started out as a small little side job that has mushroomed and keeps growing. Sometime this month, our resdesign rolls out on an A-B test, plus my new videos will be published. It gives me an outlet to talk about all my real estate transactions -- with the names changed to protect the innocent and guilty, of course.

As for the Sacramento market, for the past three months, two important indicators have been continual:

  • inventory is falling
  • pending sales are rising

It's a pretty hot market right now. I hope it reverberates up your direction.


Apr 11, 2008 02:18 AM