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The Leak, Before The Leak, Before The Future Leak

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

When I moved a box that looked quite out of place, to see what was behind, I saw the leak, before the leak, before the future leak.  Was the box there to provide artistic concealment?  Sometimes it is!  I moved the box because it was empty.

Future leak?

I'll get to that.

This house was built in 1993.  The original water main was replaced with the ball and lever valve you see on the right side of this photo.

It is dripping.

Which brings us to the bell-shaped device.  That is the pressure-reduction valve.

That plumbing device reduces the water pressure at the street to a level that is more appropriate for a home's plumbing system.  If the pressure is too high it can damage plumbing, fixtures, appliances, etc.

It is dripping.

Which brings us to the gray plumbing tubing.  It is called polybutylene, or simply PB.

When it came out it was considered the end-all, be-all in plumbing tubing.  It was cheap, easy to install and thought to last forever.

It didn't.  It won't.

Read here what one my home inspection associations uses to teach home inspectors about it and how to identify it.

The older PB gets, the more likely it is to leak.  In PB life spans, 32 years old is VERY old.  The huge on-again and off-again class action suit which awarded homeowners money toward PB replacement is off again and out of money.

It can leak at any time, and when it does often the leak is catastrophic.  A small drip can open up to a dramatic leak in minutes or hours.  And then watch out.

So homeowners stuck with it now will have to replace it at their own expense if they need to, or can.

And purchasers that inherit it will have to consider that likelihood. 

It's best to replace it before a problem happens!  It is replaced with white CPVC or copper.  Plumbing companies that replace it typically give a couple of prices depending on which material is chosen to replace it with.  Here, for townhouses, replacement costs range from about  $4,000 to about  $6,500.  For single-family homes the prices go up from there.  So it ain't cheap!

It is a future leak waiting to happen.

My recommendation:  when boxes or furniture or whatever are placed in places that look odd, if I can I move them.  Sometimes their placement is intentional!  And artistic.  And beware what is behind!  Once a series of boxes were piled high all along a foundation wall that covered up a long, wide horizontal crack.  I could not move the boxes, but fortunately had a photo showing that they were there and that I simply didn't "overlook" and "forget to report" that disastrous foundation crack.  If you can look, it is great when you can!  You never know what you might find.

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(28)

Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It's a big deal Raymond.  I have horror stories to tell.  Experiences of people who did not know, or  did not listen.

Apr 23, 2015 11:12 PM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Here is the inside glimpse of an ace inspector...repairs stand at attention when Jay is called in

Apr 23, 2015 11:38 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

You always spread honey butter on me Richie!  Thank you.

Apr 24, 2015 12:29 AM
Fred Hernden, CMI
Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area - Albuquerque, NM
Albuquerque area Master Inspector

So what came first, the leak or the leak?

I am seeing a lot of PB here, never seen it at all in Florida. I just wrote one about PB here.

Apr 24, 2015 01:17 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It was the first leak Fred.  I think.

Here there are companies that do nothing but replace PB and they are good at it.

Apr 24, 2015 02:02 AM
Stephen Weakley
Nationwide Mortgage Services - Rockville, MD

Nice catch Jay.  It's always nice to know what ticking time bombs are in a house BEFORE you buy.  You really exemplify the need for home inspectors.

Apr 24, 2015 04:08 AM
Gayle Rich-Boxman Fishhawk Lake Real Estate
John L Scott Market Center - Birkenfeld, OR
"Your Local Expert!" 503-739-3843

Jay, once again you are The Ruler of Authority in the Inspection world! So smart and savvy and you have answers, not just questions and you are a teller of the future! Wow AND a *feature*, take the rest of the day off--you deserve it.

Apr 24, 2015 06:13 AM
Shanna Day Team Leader (UT & AZ)
Keller Williams SLC (UT) and Keller Williams Realty EV (AZ) - Park City, UT
Keller Williams Realty

To leak or not to leak - that is the question!   haha

Apr 24, 2015 07:14 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thank you Stephen.  Sometimes there are bombs!

Thank you too Gayle.  I like the features because they get a little extra SEO juice.  I've had a few.

Thank you too Shannaspeare.  And, of course, poor Yoric.  It wasn't much of a question today!

; >)

Apr 24, 2015 07:36 AM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

Jay  - I aways try to move things that look out of place if at all possible.  It is important for buyers to hire professionals like yourself to find these type of issues.

Apr 24, 2015 01:23 PM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Burlington, MA
Metro Boston Homes For Sale

Jay Markanich well, obvious question why something is out of place - so a sharp eye from inspector is good enough to reveal the fact - I mean reveal the leak!

Apr 24, 2015 01:44 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Joan - in this case moving things was easy.  Sometimes it is not!

Praful - often things are piled all over and you can't tell what's out of place.  But other times somethings just look odd.

Apr 24, 2015 03:23 PM
Mark Zubek
Charles Rutenberg Realty - Indian Rocks Beach, FL
727-656-2651 Rental Manager/Broker Associate

The things you guys can find always impresses,  Great reason to always use a certified home inspector.

Apr 24, 2015 10:51 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Mark - I can't drive through a neighborhood without critiquing houses.  My kids don't want to ride with me!

Apr 25, 2015 01:09 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

I find the two part series of articles in the ASHI Reporter by Kenny Hart (A Viginia plumber and HI) from 2001 to be an insightful resource on PB. Hart installed the material for many years and shares a plumbers point of view. 

Apr 25, 2015 10:20 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Jim.  I liked that article a lot.  Common sensical and simple.  There is a lot of mis- and disinformation out in the public.

Apr 26, 2015 07:08 AM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

Jay - Fining the future leak before the leak is much better than finding the leak later.

Apr 26, 2015 03:12 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

'Tis Christine!  And leaks that happen with this type of plumbing pipe are typically disastrous.

Apr 26, 2015 03:15 PM
Kevin J. May
Florida Supreme Realty - Hobe Sound, FL
Serving the Treasure & Paradise Coasts of Florida

I can't even remember when the first BOLO went out for PB Jay Markanich but it's been on my watch list for a while. Excellent reminder for all!

May 01, 2015 12:52 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Seems to me they knew within a couple of years that it had problems Kevin.  But it's still out there!

May 01, 2015 07:45 PM