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Zoom Zoom Cash and The Lifestyle We Couldn't Afford

By
Mortgage and Lending with Platinum Home Mortgage Company NMLS #238304

 For years, Californians thought it was pretty funny to lament about our zoom zoom real estate. With glass of wine in hand and proverbial balmy weather as a backdrop, friends would often whisper to each other: "We couldn't even afford to buy the house we live in".

Then they would laugh.

Well, no one is laughing anymore. That's because even though we couldn't afford those houses, we bought them anyway. We refinanced them anyway. Those houses coughed up enough zoom zoom cash to fuel our economy, filll our local coffers full of tax money, and fund a lifestyle that would have otherwise been impossible.

We did it without qualifying. We did it with property taxes that remain fixed once you buy the house. We stated the income that worked, used our good credit and appreciating house as collateral, and laughed all the way to the bank.

Cha-Ching!

It might have been smarter to have faced reality (what goes up must always come down) But you know, it was much more fun to believe that those zoom zoom prices would forever go up. (Another glass of wine, please.)

Now, Californians are paying the price. Zoom zoom has turned to gloom gloom.

 Left out to dry are the millions of Californians that desparately NEED to refinance, but are unable to do so. This is NOT the gardener who claimed to be making $10,000 a month that the media would like us to believe is the root of all evil in the mortgage world.

No, these are the owners of  million dollar properties who simply spent the equity by repeated cash out refinances, and mega equitylines. They have good credit. They have a good property. But they have been stung by a quadruple edged sword that has made getting another mortgage impossible:

1. Declining values

2. Severe restrictions on stated income loans

3. The disappearance of loans amounts of over $729,000 (the temporary higher limits for "conforming' loans)

4. Equitylines that are frozen and/or eliminated when attempts are made to refinance the first mortgage.

Ironically,  28 year old Johnny Lunchbucket with a 620 credit score that needs a $250,000 97% loan is way more likely to find financing than a lawyer and a professor with 700+ scores who make $200,000+ a year and need a $1.1 million dollar 80% loan.

What is wrong with this picture? Do we penalize the lawyer and the professor for spending their equity to educate their children? Do we believe that individuals aged 50+ who have never made a late payment in their life will suddenly default on their mortgages?

While I try to explain to my clients NOT to take it personally, they still do. Banks cannot sell the million dollar loans and must retain them. That makes them very picky, and very likely to say, "thanks, but no thanks".

Call it being in mortgage prison. Call it being accused of a crime that was not committed. Call it what you want.

But understand that good credit and 20% equity will NOT automatically buy you a ticket on the mortgage train when it comes to a million dollar loan. 

Please do not be surprised that there is a damper on spending here in California, causing the economy to sag, and real estate values to languish. Our zoom zoom days are over.

Our biggest spenders, with the most discretionary money, have stopped spending. They are being forced to watch loans adjust to higher payments, and plans to buy the next million dollar property go up in smoke.

Hey, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. I personally do not think the punishment fits the crime.

 

Written by Janet Guilbault, California Mortgage Expert Based Out of the San Francisco Bay Area

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bill Kennedy
Keller Williams Greenville Upstate - Greenville, SC
Homes For Sale Greenville SC
I hope that other people learn from the California Zoom Zoom cash!  Great blog - good things to think about.
Apr 12, 2008 02:04 PM
Audrey June-Forshey
RE/MAX Realty Services - Darnestown, MD
GRI, Gaithersburg, MD
Just goes to show that the market favors no one, it is hard no matter who you are or where you live!
Apr 12, 2008 02:11 PM
Scott Benson
Geneva Real Estate and Finance - Santa Monica, CA
I could not agree more with what you wrote.  I think LA still has a ways to go before it hits bottom.  The vast majority of my loans over the last two years were stated.  Why, because otherwise they could not afford the home and now there are not enough people with income that can be documented for them to sell there homes to at todays price point.
Apr 12, 2008 02:36 PM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender
Scott: Always it is nice to get another California point of view. Right now, I have multiple clients who have been frozen out of the mortgage market. What is shocking is the fact they are what we used to call "perfect borrowers". Great income, great scores, great property. Now, they no longer can qualify due to only being able to get 70% loan to value, or the fact they have a debt to income of 45%. It continues to shock me as I must tell them, sorry, you do not qualify.
Apr 12, 2008 03:13 PM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender
Audrey, actually the market does favor someone. It is the person who only needs a "small" loan. Small by Calif. standards. Those that need "big" loans have severe restrictions no matter how qualified they are.
Apr 12, 2008 03:14 PM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Bill: Is there a lesson? What is it? Maybe we will never again buy into the idea that houses will forever appreciate.

 Or.... should we believe that being successful, paying bills on time, and using equity to educate the next generation should be penalized?

Apr 12, 2008 03:17 PM
James Jeter
Cardinal Financial Company, Limited Partnership - Carrollton, TX
James Jeter
Janet, I love your blogs!  I've just started reading them, but you point out very valid points and thoughts to ponder.  Fortunately for a lot of texans, the properties haven't depreciated much.
Apr 12, 2008 04:09 PM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

James: Neither have our properties. But banks make their own rules when it comes to the value of a property. In my opinion, banks try very hard to value houses at less than they are worth. It is a little game they play to get the real loan to value they want.

When you do not want a certain kind of business, it is easy to send it away by a low appraisal.

Apr 12, 2008 04:41 PM
Anonymous
Doug

"That's because even though we couldn't afford those houses, we bought them anyway. We refinanced them anyway. Those houses coughed up enough zoom zoom cash to fuel our economy, filll our local coffers full of tax money, and fund a lifestyle that would have otherwise been impossible."

 Thanks in large part to mortgage brokers who encouraged them to do so.

"Our biggest spenders, with the most discretionary money, have stopped spending."

More like our biggest IRRESPONSIBLE spenders have stopped spending. Maybe they should have taken that fixed rate, conventional mortgage after all? This goes back to the first point where mortgage brokers encouraged buyers into exotic loans with the notion that they could always refinance later on. Well, looks like there's some suffering going on, and that's fine by me. Maybe other, responsible buyers will be able to get in on some properties.

Apr 12, 2008 08:17 PM
#9
Mike Tullio
Guaranteed Rate NMLS# 2611 - Sarasota, FL
VP of Mortgage Lending

More like KABOOM, KABOOM!  I think there was an across the board lack of awareness that the loans people were getting into were ticking time bombs.  But here we are picking up the pieces trying to figure out what happened.  And I think you've done an amazing job capturing one aspect of the situation Janet.  The imaginary equity has blown up in our faces and our bank accounts.  Another great post.

Apr 13, 2008 01:49 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Doug: Mortgage brokers were like clerks at a cosmetic counter with 10 different "get younger skin" creams to sell. Of course everyone wants younger skin, so there are many buyers.

Some of those creams were cheaper to buy, because they were unproven, and carried more risk. For some people, assuming the risk was the only way to try for younger skin. Others just wanted the cheaper product although they could afford something more expensive. The clerk made money on every jar sold, no matter what. The clerk could not always convince the buyers to take the more expensive, proven cream, and the risk of getting red blotchy skin was clearly printed on every label.

In the short run, there were no problems with the riskier creams, and everyone's skin looked great. So even more people bought the cheaper creams, and came in to ask for them by name. The original, no risk cream was out of style, and still more expensive....

So some of the riskier creams are now causing skin to be blotchy and red. Do we blame the clerk who sold those creams? These were not products the clerk dreamed up. These were what he had to sell, and these were what people wanted to buy.

PS A person making $200,000 a year who has a 45% debt to income ratio has more diposable income that someone who makes $75,000 a year and has the same 45% debt to income ratio

Apr 13, 2008 02:46 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender
Imaginary Equity....I like that term, Mike. Even if the equity is very real, it doesn't do you any good if you cannot access it. In my last post I said liquidity rules. This post explains how and why people are now locked out of equity.
Apr 13, 2008 02:48 AM
Lisa Hill
Florida Property Experts - Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Real Estate
In Florida, with all the same issues and occurrences as CA, we DID NOT fill our local tax coffers! All the extra money is gone because the state decided that the individual counties shouldn't have all that money lying around and not being used, when the state couldn't balance their budget. So they took it! And now, on top of all this other mess, the property taxes have been drastically increased. Like we didn't already have enough problems! There is just too much greed, all the way around.
Apr 13, 2008 06:12 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Lisa: That is very interesting. What a money grab. Our state has decided to cut education spending drastically to fill the void. Naturally this has created havoc. When people are out of the mood to spend money things sink quickly.

My husband, who owns the leasing company, says suddenly no one wants a new car, and he is being flooded with calls about used cars. When this has happened in the past, it means the general thought process is this "people are suffering. I can't be driving around in a new car."

Only last year the thought process was to buy a NEW hybrid car to show the world you were "green".

There are huge tax dollars that are collected on the sale of cars, both in registration and in sales tax. And with no one being able to get money out of their house, retail sales tax will go away too.

Who knows what kind of money grab might happen here in Calif? Thanks for your input, Lisa.

Apr 13, 2008 06:44 AM
Anonymous
Doug

"Do we blame the clerk who sold those creams? These were not products the clerk dreamed up. These were what he had to sell, and these were what people wanted to buy."

I'll use a different analogy. If the clerk knows there is a problem with a specific cream, they would warn the customer that that is not something they recommend, because of such and such problem. Instead, many mortgage brokers ENCOURAGED buyers to go for the problematic product which is casuing so many problems. That's just irresponsible, and short-sighted.

"PS A person making $200,000 a year who has a 45% debt to income ratio has more diposable income that someone who makes $75,000 a year and has the same 45% debt to income ratio"

Well, this person surely must have more savings than the one making 75K a year so let them dip into that to cover anything extra they need.

Apr 13, 2008 06:35 PM
#15
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Doug: The clerk had no way of knowing there was a problem. He knew there was a risk of a problem. That is a big difference. No one needed to encourage people to buy houses with financing plans that let them have lower payments, and to qualify when they would not have otherwise.

They WANTED younger looking skin.

Also: It is my job to let people know the options when they finance. It is the clients job to weigh the risk and make the final decision.

I don't think pointing fingers and blaming mortgage brokers (as an industry) helps anything. Do I think there were some mortgage brokers who encouraged people to go into loans that were too risky? Yes I do.

Do I think some people, in their frenzie to buy real estate ignored sound advice and dived in ignoring sound judgement? Yes I do.

Apr 14, 2008 03:45 AM
Anonymous
Doug

"It is my job to let people know the options when they finance. It is the clients job to weigh the risk and make the final decision."

Shouldn't a thoughtful mortgage broker do more than just lay out the options when they finance? Like maybe guide the buyer into a loan more appropriate to their situation? Of course in the end it's up to the buyer what to go with. Maybe I just don't get how mortgage brokers work, and this is not part of their job description, rather they're just there to lay out the options and get the selected loan funded.

Apr 14, 2008 07:55 PM
#17
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Doug: I always make a recommendation of the loan I think works best for the client based on a comprehensive needs analysis ( long and short terms goals) So yes, I do think I should guide them, but I also think I am not doing my job if I do not inform them of the options.

Sometimes they do not choose to take my recommendation, and that is okay. I always encourage them to take time and think it though, and use me as their resource for anything they do not understand or find confusing (another part of my job)

I don't know this for certain, but I think most mortgage brokers do work this way. I never take into consideration the amount of money I will make on the various options. This is because I operate from the philosophy that whatever is best for the client is also best for me.

The thing is Doug, for a relationship to work between any professional and the client who is seeking guidance, a trust must form. You have come to me because I do this stuff day in and day out, live it and breathe it, and because you belive I am your advocate and I am trying to contribute something in the way of making this world a better place.

Please believe all mortgage professionals are not out to sc*** you.

Apr 15, 2008 05:24 AM
Anonymous
Doug

If a client came to you and said that they wanted to get into their dream home, and, knowing their financial situation, they were not able to afford it, what would you do? I bet there are plenty of mortgage brokers out there who got them those exotic loans, all the while downplaying the risk, because, "prices always go up", "they're not making anymore land", "you can always refinance later", etc.

 I've heard that from too many real estate "professionals" to know that it was not an uncommon situation.

If only more buyers did NOT trust these mortgage professionals, then maybe this problem would not be as big as it is.

Apr 15, 2008 05:44 PM
#19
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Yeah Doug. And here's the flip side of that story. Mortgage professional calls Realtor and says, "sorry, these people should not be buying a house. They really can't afford it and so I have recommended that they wait, save more money, pay off bills, etc.

Within 5 seconds of hanging up the phone, that Realtor is calling a different mortgage broker who will "qualify" that buyer.

If buyer did not have a Realtor, he is headed to the next mortgage company down the block.

You seem to forget the mental state of borrowers when prices ARE escalating and people feel they better jump on the boat if they ever want to own real estate. It is extremely powerful. I warned many many people about declining values with reference to 100% loans and large equitylines...some of these stories are in my posts.

Most times this fell on deaf ears.

I really resent that you place the blame on mortgage brokers but seem to think borrowers, Realtors, and economic forces had nothing to due with our current situation. I think you are off base.

Apr 16, 2008 01:36 AM