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When Is A Drain Leak Not A Drain Leak? Well, When It's A Wall Leak.

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

So, when is a drain leak not a drain leak?  Well, when it's a wall leak.

I was called to investigate a drain leak.  In addition to other things.  But this one was a biggie to this homeowner.

The floor outside the master bathroom shower, a bamboo floor, was staining, bulging a bit, and decidedly wet after showers.

Indeed, the floor did register over 30% moisture on the moisture meter.

The colored gauge indicates wood moisture.  Wood is considered saturated at 28% moisture, so the gauge only goes to 30%.  When the needle jumps to 30%, as it did in this case, the moisture content is higher.   And we know the wood is saturated.

However, the wall registered 100% moisture too!

Starting about 18" off the floor the wall registered moisture only in a particular area.

On this meter the white gauge measures drywall moisture content.

You can see that the needle has jumped to 100%, so the wall is wet as well.

This photo shows the shower in question.  The wall and floor measured above are just outside this location.

The homeowner had removed the drain cover so I could see it.

But if the drain is leaking, why would the wall be so wet?

That didn't follow.

I was very suspicious of the shelf though.

And looking at it carefully the edges had all been grouted and the grout was full of cracking.

It was cracking everywhere.

These folks have only lived in this new house for five months.  They did not have a pre-drywall inspection or a final as the builder convinced them that with so many inspections they would be wasting their money.

The shelf is definitely suspect.

So, how do we determine if my suspicions are correct?

We break out Mighty Mo!

So I had my client run the hot water for only about 2 minutes.  She directed the hand-held shower head right at the wall above the shelf and the shelf itself.

With the thermal camera looking at the spot on the wall where the moisture meter began to register such high moisture content, we can clearly see the shelf on the wall.

And we can clearly see where water is seeping through the cracking and making its way down the wall.  From there it gets out and under the bedroom flooring just outside the shower wall.

Easy peasy.

My recommendation:  thermal cameras can reveal things otherwise undetected.  In this case we knew there was moisture getting onto the wall and flooring.  But we could not see exactly why.  A thermal image makes it abundantly clear.  That's just 2 minutes of moisture driven onto the wall.  Imagine what happens during a shower!  So, when is a drain leak not a drain leak?  Well, when it's a wall leak.

 

 

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Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(38)

Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Evelyn - them is really expensive!  The training for them is really expensive!  The understanding of how to use them effectively takes a long time!  But hopefully they have done all that!

Fred - I used hot water simply so the image would be more pronounced.  Cold water causes just as much of a leak though!

May 23, 2015 01:22 AM
Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
Dry Rot and Water Damage www.tromlerconstruction.com Mobile - 916-765-5366 - Placerville, CA
General Contractor, Dry Rot and Water Damage

I am always leery about putting in these alcoves in the walls Jay, they are much more likely to leak.

Missed ya, good to see you back my friend.

May 23, 2015 01:31 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

They have to be right Tom.  I am recovering slowly.  The second surgery (unexpected) really knocked me for a loop.

May 23, 2015 01:59 AM
Nicole Doty - Gilbert Real Estate Expert
Zion Realty - Gilbert, AZ
Broker/Owner of Zion Realty ZionRealtyAZ.com

What a fantastic piece of equipment and great job in locating the problem. Just because it's a new build doesn't mean it was built well. Always get an inspection no matter what!

May 23, 2015 02:33 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Nicole.  The thermal camera really makes the wall come alive.  New builds so often have really serious problems.  This one surely did.

May 23, 2015 02:36 AM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

Jay- three little words.... get an inspection!  Your smiling face has been missed. 

May 23, 2015 03:27 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Kathy.  I'm recovering.  It's a long row to hoe.

May 23, 2015 03:44 AM
Bill Reddington
Re/max By The Sea - Destin, FL
Destin Florida Real Estate

New home says builder warranty to me. Shoddy construction happens everywhere. Always inspect property whether new or old.

May 23, 2015 05:05 AM
Troy Erickson AZ Realtor (602) 295-6807
HomeSmart - Chandler, AZ
Your Chandler, Ahwatukee, and East Valley Realtor

Jay - This is exactly why homeowners need good home inspectors like you. Finding exactly where a water leak is coming from can sometimes be very difficult.

May 23, 2015 05:32 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Usually Bill.  In this case, the builder has disappeared!  I was hired to give them an idea of what they are in for in terms of what needs repairs.

Water is difficult Troy.  Fortunately, sometimes, the thermal camera can identify exactly what is up.  Like in this post.

May 23, 2015 06:54 AM
Susan Haughton
Long and Foster REALTORS (703) 470-4545 - Alexandria, VA
Susan & Mindy Team...Honesty. Integrity. Results.

So glad to see you back, Jay, and glad to hear you are recovering, no matter how long it takes...it sure beats the alternative.

May 23, 2015 09:07 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thank you Susan.  Like a fine roast, some things can't be rushed...

Bad analogy?  Rump roast, butt shank?  At least I'm well seasoned.

May 23, 2015 09:50 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Jays back---hard to keep a good man down as they say.

May 23, 2015 11:03 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Everyone has been very helpful to me Charlie.  My clients carry my ladder, and this client held the moisture meter in various locations so I could photograph it!

May 23, 2015 11:39 AM
Scott Seaton Jr. SLS Home Insp
SLS Home Inspections-Kankakee Will Iroquois Grundy Counties - Bourbonnais, IL
The Home Inspector With a Heart!

Glad you're back Jay. I missed your posts. 

On a side note, I just ordered a thermal camera. Lost a job a few weeks ago to a competitor, and thermal was the reason. After I get it, I need to call you about how to monetize this great tool. Would that be OK? Haven't done any training yet, but will be very soon. Stay healthy. 

May 23, 2015 10:12 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I'm getting better Scott, but it is slow.  I have to be gentle.

As to the camera, when I bought mine in 2002 (it was $15K then) my wife asked me if I would be able to make any money with the thing!  I was honest and said I didn't know, but thought so because nobody else did it.  Still, few do.

Call anytime.

May 23, 2015 10:16 PM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

Jay - This is certainly not something that a homeowner would watn to find.

May 24, 2015 02:06 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

They already knew they had it Christine.  They thought it was something else.  Actually, as a wall problem it may be an easier fix than if it was a drain problem!

May 24, 2015 07:35 PM
Stephen Weakley
Nationwide Mortgage Services - Rockville, MD

Jay,

Welcome back, I've missed your informative posts.

Nice catch with the thermal camera.  So the water worked it's way under the shower and was soaked up by the bamboo flooring causing the expansion.  Interesting, without Mighty Mo to prove it, I wouldn't have believed it.

 

May 26, 2015 06:14 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Stephen.  I'm recovering.  The thermal camera gives definitive information.  It's a great tool.

May 26, 2015 06:22 AM