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ball park figuresToday, I witnessed a revealing interview on CNN with Richard Barton & Lloyd Frink, the brains behind the successful Expedia.com Travel site and more recently Zillow.com.   Barton referred to Zillows entry into the real estate market with it's on-line home evalutations, Zestimates and Make me a Move Price as "turning on the lights in a dark room".  "We're here to give home owners more control, more information and better education".

When questioned by the host of CNN Newsroom about the error rate for Zestimates, Barton passed the baton to Frink who indicated that the Zestimate is a starting point. He explained that if there were no updated home facts available or if the tax assessment did not reflect recent updates, the Zestimate could be "off".  In a related article entitle What's Your Home Really Worth?  Fortune Magazine senior editor Jeffery M. O'Brien, indicates that an on-going urgent priority for Zillow.com is improving the site's accuracy.

"Overall, Zillow has Zestimated the value of 57 percent of U.S. housing stock, but only 65 percent of that could be considered "accurate" - by its definition, within 10 percent of the actual selling price. And even that accuracy isn't equally distributed. For example, 85 percent of homes in Los Angeles have Zestimates, and two-thirds have been accurate. But only 53 percent of homes in metropolitan New York have Zestimates, and only half of those are accurate. In Louisiana, where one in 50 homes is listed on Zillow, the site is just about worthless".

Barton and Frink both vigorously denied trying to eliminate the services of the "middle man" aka Realtors in the real estate transaction in a similar fashion to the end result of the Expedia.com model which decimated the travel agent industry.  They  indicated that  they are working diigently to perfect their current model.  The pair agreed that people need professional assistance in selling their home; "we are just trying to create a new kind of marketplace".

O'Brien's article suggests that Zillow.com is really after another huge asset, the real estate advertising dollar.

"It's clearly in the company's short-term interest to maintain the current power structure. Brokers, agents and developers spend upwards of $8 billion in advertising a year. By 2010 a greater percentage of that money will go to the Internet than to newspapers, according to the media consultancy Borrell Associates. So Frink spends his time convincing the professionals that their ads on Zillow will attract new clients"

And what kind of marketplace might Zillow be intent on creating?  Right now in Zillow World, anyone can access information about a home listing AND anyone can change or manipulate it.  There is no consistent or coherent way to check to see if the information being used to update a home listing is accurate or if the individual doing the updating is in actual fact the seller.  Zillow.com claims its goal is to enhance transparancy in the real estate transaction.  Blurring the lines between truth and contrivance by allowing anyone to do anything without appropriate verification is similar to the age old parable of the fox guarding the hen house and promising not to have any chickens for dinner....ever! In my opinion the lights haven't been turned on...we've just fast tracked the descent into a bottomless black hole.

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As the segment prepared to wind up, the camera focused on a listing on Zillow which was listed in the Local MLS for 3+Million dollars but had a Zestimate of just over 1.5 Million.  The home was located in Seattle, headquarters of Zillow.com.  The inevitable question about accurate pricing loomed large as the camera panned over to the two men in the Hot Seat.  How do you LOSE 2 MILLION DOLLARS ON-LINE IN HOME EQUITY?  Lloyd admitted that Zillow.com has an error rate of 7.2%, but this should be qualified.  As the Fortune article points out, the error rate of 7.2% must be framed within the context  of discrepancies in value projections of within 10% of the true home value for so called "on target Zestimates". So now we are really talking about a compounding of potential error

 Mark Lesswing, a senior vice president at NAR is quoted in the Fortune Magazine article. "Many realtors don't fear Zillow anymore. They use it as a way to show how their services are more valuable than something you can get for free on the Web."

As the show concluded the the host summarized the intervew  to the television audience with the following salient counsel "Don't cry if you don't find your home is worth what you think it is" .  I echo the sentiment...don't cry indeed my friend; for no one will see your tears within this present darkness. Now, it is possible with  just a Click to wipe out 2 Million Dollars of Equity in this brave new world on on-line fortune telling.

*Interested in Zillow estimates for the rich & famous, for whom presumably a few Million dollars Loss of Equity may not require any tear shedding, click and hold your breath here....

*For related discussion and comments on Active Rain Network about trends in 75 metropolitan areas in the 4th Quarter of 2006view this post entitled  Zillow Releases Raw Data behind 4th QTR Housing Reports.

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29 Comments on How To Lose 2 Million in On-Line Home Equity!

Well thought out and written article.  I think that what you quoted:

"Mark Lesswing, a senior vice president at NAR is quoted in the Fortune Magazine article. "Many realtors don't fear Zillow anymore. They use it as a way to show how their services are more valuable than something you can get for free on the Web"

...is very true.  Zillow is an interesting tool (that could cut deep someday) for consumers, and for RE agents to show their value for analyzing property values.  In suburban areas with large developments of similar houses, Zillow is able to do a better job than it can in older, more mixed neighborhoods, but overall there needs to be an experienced real estate agent to provide a meaningful valuation.

BTW...catchy title!

02/18/2007 04:54 AM by Deborah Burns ~ Seattle Real Estate Agent (BRIO Realty)


I loved the part about the example property being in Zillow's own back yard. Great article Lola. If these guys turn on any more lights, I'll need a seeing eye dog.

02/18/2007 05:59 AM by Mark Flanders (Olympic Northwest Mortgage)


Interesting statistics. I had buyers in my car that were grilling me about the accuracy of Zillow.  Little did they know I zillowed their address just to check up on the accuracy of their information, so to speak.

02/18/2007 06:08 AM by Chris Elizabeth Griffith ~ Bonita Springs Fl Real Estate (Keller Williams Elite Realty, Bonita Springs, FL)


It appears that Zillow has an impossible task.

"Fortune Magazine senior editor Jeffery M. O'Brien, indicates that an on-going urgent priority for Zillow.com is improving the site's accuracy."  really says it all. 

The only way Zillow can improve the accuracy of their valuations of real estate is have qualified real estate practitioners actually VISIT THE PROPERTIES and do the valuation as we have done for about 100 years.

Some things cannot be done in the abstract.

 

02/18/2007 06:25 AM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


The article does confirm what we have been saying all along.  It's always nice to have it confirmed though.  Thanks for the post, I have it bookmarked for future use.

02/18/2007 06:43 AM by Cynthia Sloop (Community Property Manager)


Lola, wonderful, thorough article.  Your cartoon got  a huge chuckle out of me.  Amazing how something as big as zillow can have such a high level of inaccuracies.  This took me back to a year ago when I bought a vacant lot in another county.  One of the neighbors got a hold of me and offered me what the county asessor deemed was an appropriate value for the land (uh huh, less than I paid for it).  Without missing a beat I told him I'd take his offer if he accepted mine for his house based on the same criteria.  He shut up real quick.

02/18/2007 06:46 AM by Palmetto Bay | Redland Real Estate | Maggie Dokic (EWM Realtors)


It will be very interesting to see how these models play out in the future.  Right now, I am very leery of the accuracy.  For instance, our market in Hilton Head is very distinctive and unique.  Values are many times affected by the type of view a property has.  Now how is Zillow going to discern the difference in a wooded versus a lagoon view? 

02/18/2007 07:07 AM by Diane Bell, Hilton Head Real Estate, Bluffton (Charter 1 Real Estate, Hilton Head, Bluffton, SC)


Zillow IMHO does have some Useful Information, as in any tool it the user that yields the results.

1 - Zillow is great for home values in Developments that have several models with or without upgrades then it all about location, Condition and view.

2 - Zillow has all sales including for sale by owners, since it update from the property appraiser.

3 - Zillow is a enhanced AVM and it for free

4 - Zillow allows you to select the Comparable for a value

5 - Zillow is not good for Unique properties or properties near defining values I.E. on the east side verses the west side of the Inter-coastal in Florida east side has access to the beach

6 - Near a boundary for two Neighborhoods

7 - Not great for new developments and slow to update the data

 just my Opinion

02/18/2007 07:11 AM by Mitchell Jamel e-PRO Realtor (Brite Realty - Saint Augustine Florida)


I think Zillow needs to always put a disclaimer on any ads and on their site similar to the drug company ads that have to state all the negative side effects when they market thier drugs.  Instead of "ask your doctor" it should be "ask your real estate agent to see if Zillow is right for you"

Personally, I would be embarrassed to even come out public with such an inaccurate model.  By the time they get it right, the standard attitude will be that Zillow can't be trusted to give accurate results.

02/18/2007 07:56 AM by Tim Maitski "Secret Agent Guy" (HomeAtlanta.com)


Lola I enjoyed the cartoon as well lol.  Here, we are already (as an industry) spending more of our advertising dollars on the internet than print medium so 2010 is already in Cleveland. The reporter O'brien says money has an impact on corporate dollars? Say it ain't so lol.  Thanks for the links to the articles good reads.

02/18/2007 08:45 AM by Carole Cohen Realtor®, ePRO (Howard Hanna Cleveland City Office)


Zillow isn't very accurate here in NYC.

Very well written entry!

02/18/2007 08:45 AM by Luke Constantino (RE/MAX METRO)


I like Tim's idea, that Zillow should encourage checking their information with a licensed real estate professional.  =)  well written post.

02/18/2007 09:03 AM by Leigh Brown Charlotte NC Broker/Owner (RE/MAX Signature Properties)


Well thought out post Lola, and very instructive. I don't see how Zillow can help the sellers...it will confuse them for sure. 

02/18/2007 09:38 AM by LLoyd Nichols~SW Florida Homes (Right Choice Realty LLC)


Deborah,

I think any area in which there is differentiation will be a difficult comp for the Zillow model...what about condominiums, mixed style community neighborhoods, luxury enclaves within established neighborhoods in addition to those you mentioned

02/18/2007 10:11 AM by Lola Audu~ Audu Real Estate~ Grand Rapids, MI Broker


Mitchel hit the nail on the head.. the very nature of Zillow  means it can only hope to be accurate when looking at a new development of conforming homes.. anywhere else it is way off.. I checked on the value of my house and only wish I could sell it for their estimate of value..They really do need a big disclaimer on each evaluation that the figure  given may be off by XX%... too many people think it is accurate  because all their home information is there..

As with all things internet related.. it is a tool.. maybe someday a good one.. but as with all things internet related... garbage in is garbage out.. a live person needs to interpret the information before it has real value.  For now Zillow wants our money... but their ultimate interest is to get our money and everyone else's in addition.. I think their first thought was to eliminate real estate agents as they did travel agents but the soon found out that wasn't going to work.   So now they want to play nice..

02/18/2007 10:42 AM by Manhattan Beach CA/ e-PRO..... Kaye Thomas... (Real Estate West)


When you go to a Doctor with an ailment, do you want him to diagnose you from the other room?

Real estate is a local business. Sites like Zillow can help people get the facts about a property, but a true evaluation of the property needs to take into account things that the computer may never see. Real estate is a local business with bits and pieces of information that may never become broadcast news or fit for the web. These bits and pieces could have a big impact.

Besides, Zillow does not buy and sell products in the local town like the Realtor does. As long as they sell the advertising they don't care where you buy or sell or if you even buy or sell. People should realize this when buying and selling.

Information is important, the local agent provides the proper interpretation of the infomation. They make the information useful.

02/18/2007 11:06 AM by M & T Bank


Lola, thanks for your keen insight on the matter.  You really did your homework.  This is indeed useful information and I hope too that other viewers were paying attention.  Naturally, I'm sure Zillow will continue to work harder to improve their sites and find a way to make sure that their zestimates are more accurate.  In the meantime, tons of potential sellers continue to stream to them for info.  Yet, they still call on us realtors for a more realistic estimate of their home's value.  Again, good POST.

02/18/2007 11:22 AM by Netta Blackwood - REO/BPO Expert (Keller Williams Realty At The Lakes)


I think I will stick to doing business the professional way, but will keep a little closer watch on how this developes in our area.  Very interesting post, thank you.

02/18/2007 11:29 AM by Bob Sloop, Consultant, Indianapolis, IN (RS Mortgage Consulting)


Many months ago an agent in our office sent an email telling me about this new "Zillow" site. I checked it out right away. The numbers were so inaccurate that I couldn't imagine anyone taking it seriously. I was wrong.

As it turns out, some people are using this information to make decisions about the buying or selling. What a shame.

02/18/2007 11:43 AM by John Cilladi, REALTOR, EcoBroker, e-PRO (Keller Williams Real Estate)


Mark, I agree with you about the light in the darkness Zillow style...goodness, it's so bright that it's creating mind numbing blindness...:)

Interesting way to use Zillow to get to the truth Chris....

Lenn...in more ways than we can probably imagine, the Zillow model is job security for good real estate professionals.  There are some things that can only be accurately evaluated on the ground...A medical evaluation over the phone is malpractise....so is real estate on-line without professional assessment on the ground.

Thanks for visiting and the comment, Cynthia

Maggie, I got a good chuckle from the cartoon....couldn't believe my good fortune when I found it on my Print Shop graphics library.  Interesting comment about your experience with the land purchase overseas.

02/18/2007 12:57 PM by Lola Audu~ Audu Real Estate~ Grand Rapids, MI Broker


Diane, your comment: "Now how is Zillow going to discern the difference in a wooded versus a lagoon view?"....precisely my point as well.

Tim, your thoughts in reference to your comment MAY be Consumer Advocacy at it's best...  "I think Zillow needs to always put a disclaimer on any ads and on their site similar to the drug company ads that have to state all the negative side effects when they market thier drugs.  Instead of "ask your doctor" it should be "ask your real estate agent to see if Zillow is right for you" Leigh & others seem to agree with you!

Carol & Luke...Thanks

Lloyd...Zillow as it stands today is confusing for everyone...buyers, sellers, appraisers, agents....

Kaye,  Interesting commentary...thanks

02/18/2007 01:33 PM by Lola Audu~ Audu Real Estate~ Grand Rapids, MI Broker


Lola,

Great post about Zillow!  We've come across problems in listing homes where the sellers had used the estimate and came up with prices much higher then the actual home was worth.  As we all know, people want to be told what they want to hear and not what they need to hear.

On the flip side, we've also come across situations when the estimate comes in with a value much lower then what the home is actually worth.  I would be very surprised if there was nobody out there taking advantage of this with uneducated FSBO's. 

 

02/18/2007 02:08 PM by Las Vegas Real Estate - Paul Francis, ABR,CRS (Coldwell Banker Premier)


Outstanding article about Zillow! I am amazed at how quickly zillow has become well known in the public.  Thanks for the insight in this well written and documented post

02/18/2007 04:29 PM by Stephen Luckett (ExecuHome Realty-LuckNet Real Estate Group)


Paul, I saw the "flip side" with some listings for my local area in Grand Rapids, Michigan.  I was astonished at some of the prices the sellers had been willing to take... sometimes 50% below prevailing market prices in the area.  As we have a significant foreclosure crisis in the area, I was not sure if the seller in those cases were banks or organizations...this was the only plausible explanation for why a Seller would be willing to sell themselves that far short when other homes in their community HAD SOLD for much more.  The prospect of an uneducated seller being taken advantage is very real.

Thanks Stephen...All the more reason for a balanced perspective and analysis on the validity of the pricing "model"

 

02/18/2007 05:06 PM by Lola Audu~ Audu Real Estate~ Grand Rapids, MI Broker


Great Job Lola...and reassurance that our services are still needed and valued in the real (estate) world. As the old saying goes " Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see". Excellent post ! !

02/18/2007 05:14 PM by Bend Oregon REALTOR ® Kelli Fronabarger (Bend River Realty Inc.)


Thanks Kelli & a hearty Congratulations on your Featured Post and being a source of Inspiration for Mark Flanders "Let's Have a Contest".  Look forward to reading more from you!

02/18/2007 07:20 PM by Lola Audu~ Audu Real Estate~ Grand Rapids, MI Broker


In a trailing market - Zillow is causing many value griefs.......   LP

02/18/2007 08:38 PM by Lewis Poretz - Open Mortgage - Maryland Mortgage Expert


Zillow is very inaccurate! 

02/19/2007 11:36 AM by Keller Williams


Lewis, I can imagine from a mortgage standpoint that inaccuarate information given to unsuspecting homeowners might be interesting to have to deal with particularly when it comes to appraisal values...

Pete:  Ditto, have found this on many homes in GR, MI area...

02/19/2007 04:13 PM by Lola Audu~ Audu Real Estate~ Grand Rapids, MI Broker


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