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More Power, Scottie! But She's Giving You All She's Got, Captain!

By
Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

In a house recently I saw the so-called "Wonderfully Finished Basement!"

The sellers had bought the house from a Flipper.  They did not get a home inspection.

The listing agent was VERY INTERESTED in the home inspection my clients had asked for.  She wanted to know what was what.  She said, "And I demand photos!"

Well, famous last words.  I can provide enough photos to make her eyes bleed.  And they set her up for all the disclosure issues that follow.  In Virginia, sellers have no responsibility to disclose anything, but agents do!

Just walking into the wonderfully-finished basement  I knew things would be interesting!

The Flipper-indicative dropped ceiling was everywhere.  That necessitates that I move my ladder from place to place to look at what is above the ceiling panels. 

It makes me feel a bit like a prairie dog.  I move panel after panel, and my head pops up here, and pops up there.

What am I looking for?  Anomalies.  Particularly electrical anomalies.

That wonderfully-finished basement  had a "kitchen."  Cook top, microwave, fridge and sink.  The sink drained into the side of the washing machine drain, which is incorrect.  But where did they get the power for the "kitchen," and in particular that cook top?  The prairie dog found it.

These are only two of many overloaded and uncovered electrical junction boxes seen in this basement.

Things were added to what was there previously, like canister lights, the "kitchen," and a bathroom, but all sorts of new wiring was added to existing boxes.  And everywhere!  And I knew why.  The cook top.

Here's how Flipper did it!

He took one of the original circuits, labeled a long time ago in the panel box as "Basement," and simply used the old 20amp wiring to connect a new 60amp breaker!

Apparently someone told him that there new cook top  needed a 60amp circuit breaker.

So he added it!

This is utter silliness and dangerous!

So, when Scottie said, "She's giving you all she's got, Captain!" he meant it!  You can't simply combine stuff together and add a breaker here or there without creating a new circuit and expect the necessary power to magically appear.

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

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Comments(16)

James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR

Good morning Jay.  Well one thing for sure she asked for it and you gave it to her.  I wonder in the future if she'll be as demanding as she was?  

Jun 18, 2015 08:45 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

She got far more than she anticipated I think, James.

Jun 18, 2015 08:49 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Which is why listing agents in Virginia should play Three Monkeys.

Once they know. . . . .

Jun 18, 2015 08:58 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I did an inspection a month ago where the house had so many issues that my clients backed off Lenn.  It did not come off the market, and sold again in 2 days.

Disclosure?

Jun 18, 2015 09:00 PM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

Yes, not good at all.  But, at least if you can pop up and check out the ceiling at least a licensed electrician could fix it wo/ destroying ceilings or walls.  Sounds like they have some work ahead of them.

Jun 18, 2015 09:38 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I think these sellers have known that for a long time Debbie.  They will probably move on and hope for a buyer who doesn't get an inspection.

Jun 18, 2015 09:39 PM
Raymond E. Camp
Ontario, NY

Good morning Jay,

Even an amateur as myself can see the headaches of these!

Make yourself a great day.

Jun 18, 2015 11:19 PM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

There are few problems in a home that give me concern more than those electrical in nature!  My favorite was a DIY project where the homeowner had installed a bathroom light switch. . .IN THE SHOWER!

Jun 18, 2015 11:35 PM
Sandy Padula & Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West & Florida Realty Investments - , CA
Presence, Persistence & Perseverance

Jay Markanich What a disaster. I suspect the listing agent had a gut feeling that there might be problems and anticipated some additional negotiations would be necessary to convince the seller to adjust or fix these problem areas. Great post!

Jun 18, 2015 11:49 PM
Nicole Doty - Gilbert Real Estate Expert
Zion Realty - Gilbert, AZ
Broker/Owner of Zion Realty ZionRealtyAZ.com

I understand people's frustration with "flippers". I've bought and sold many rehabbed houses personally and I never ever took any shortcuts especially with the electric!

Jun 19, 2015 02:08 AM
Fred Hernden, CMI
Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area - Albuquerque, NM
Albuquerque area Master Inspector

My God Jim... I'm a Doctor! Those J boxes look like a freeway interchange. I got it Scottie, beam me up!

Jun 19, 2015 02:50 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Raymond - headache to say the least!

That is unbelievable Myrl.  I wonder sometimes for the human race.

Thanks S&N.  I expect that once the sellers see the addendum list they will want to move on to the next victim, I mean purchaser.

Nicole - not all Flippers have that attitude.  There is one here who hires me before he puts his flips on the market.  He gets mad at me, but knows I have his best interests at heart.

I has to be beamed up often Fred, without success.  Maybe I need a bigger aluminum hat.

Jun 19, 2015 08:02 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

So you have a regular 120 branch circuit protected by a 240 volt breaker with #10 or 12  wire? The J boxes are stunning! I'm going to guess that the "new" wiring was done by Mr. Flipper, not an electrician. Wow!!!

Jun 20, 2015 09:22 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

There were more J boxes Jim!  And a regular garden extension cord used to wire up the new "kitchen" exhaust fan (which vented into the ceiling).  You guess right. 

These sellers bought the house a few years ago from the Flipper, without an inspection, and there were so many problems with the basement "apartment" they never used it.  But they want to sell it to someone else...

Jun 20, 2015 09:29 PM
Stephen Weakley
Nationwide Mortgage Services - Rockville, MD

So let's see, 60 amp breaker with 20 amp wires.  What could go wrong?

Jun 23, 2015 01:24 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Well, the breaker well covers it!

No problem here Stephen!  No problem!

Jun 23, 2015 03:07 AM