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The Bank Doesn't REALLY Want To Sell YOU That Foreclosed Home

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Real Estate Agent with Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com SAL.2002007747

The Bank Doesn't REALLY Want To Sell YOU That Foreclosed Home  They don't really want to sell to you

We don't have that many foreclosed homes for sale in the Warren County area.  The market has recovered well, and foreclosures are VERY limited.  But lately I'm seeing a trend that I'm not sure is actually very good for potential home buyers. 

Historically banks had a listing agent put the home in MLS and we could do a traditional style purchase.  Write an offer (okay, there were TONS of bank disclosures and addendums), negotiate, get a contract, go to closing.  They were never "fun", but we got the job done and we'd have happy buyers.  

But in some recent cases the banks are slamming the door shut on a big portion of the buying public. 

For our market, buyers of foreclosed homes fit two main categories:  1) investors and  2) buyers looking for a deal.  And that 2nd camp is often filled with first time buyers or people recovering from past financial troubles (read buyers who need FHA/USDA/VA loans with minimal down payments, not 20% down conventional loan buyers).

These buyers may be perfectly good home buyers, even willing to spend more on a home than the investors because for them the house is HOME, not some buy and flip project that has to be purchased extra cheaply to make the numbers work.

But what are some banks doing?  They're setting up purchase conditions that basically bar buyers from getting access to the bank's homes for sale.

How are they doing this?  By offering the homes for sale ONLY via auction websites.  Sure they're in MLS, so the buyers can know about them, see them, check them out (up to a point), but if they want to write an offer the normal route is closed.  Offers are ONLY submitted through websites like Hubzu.com or Auction.com.

Take a close look at the terms of the offer and what do you find?

  • Inspections need to be done PRIOR to offer because you're not going to have an inspection out if you're the accepted bidder.
  • Earnest money for a $100,000 home in our area is typically about $500.  What is needed for the auction sites?  About $5000, 10x the norm. 
  • Don't count on utilities being on so you could actually perform a proper home inspection either.
  • There MAY be a technology fee for using the website (another $299 out of pocket if you're the winning bid).
  • And did we mention the buyer's premium for winning the auction?  Another 4-5% on top of the purchase price. 
  • Closing cost assistance?  Fuhgeddabout it!!  There's not even a place on the bid form to ask for it.

Put it all together and what the bank has basically done is barred any buyer who isn't cash or

conventional loan.  It can be tough enough for us to find a good fit for buyers on a tight budget, now take the auction homes off the table too. 

As for the bank, they're eliminated buyers who COULD be willing to pay full price because that's what they need to do to have a HOME, but since the bank has placed the auction barriers up, it's NOT going to happen.

We have to wonder, is the offer the bank getting from an auction site actually BETTER than a true open market offering?  We think any time you exclude a portion of the buying public you're reducing the chance to get the BEST possible offer.

Serving Warren County home buyers and sellers,

Liz and Bill aka BLiz

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Comments(27)

Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
Dry Rot and Water Damage www.tromlerconstruction.com Mobile - 916-765-5366 - Placerville, CA
General Contractor, Dry Rot and Water Damage

I did not realize that the market has shifted in this way Liz and Bill Spear , kind of shocking!

Jul 22, 2015 12:47 PM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Claude, And to me that is part of the risk.  You lock out able buyers, so the home takes longer to sell.  How many homes have I seen on Hubzu in their 2nd or 3rd auction cycle STILL looking for a viable offer??

Tom, Nice in that are market is more stable, not so great that some of the banks are resorting to this tactic.

Jul 22, 2015 01:04 PM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

Liz and Bill - I can remember when many of us worried about all the "shadow inventory" lurking in bank coffers.  We wondered if it would eventually rear it's ugly head as an avalanche when it got thrown on the market and cause a glut of inventory.  Who knew it would end like this?

Jul 22, 2015 01:33 PM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Myrl, At least here, the shadow inventory never showed.  Don't know where it went, perhaps sold to instituional investors and now rentals?

Jul 22, 2015 01:59 PM
Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

we've seen a smiggin of that here.  And I don't recommend it for first time buyers even with an agent.  Investors might can handle themselves there if they are experienced.  I had one buyer that I couldn't talk out of "trying" to buy one. Thankfully she wised up and got outbid.  She offered a LOT more than it was worth.

Jul 22, 2015 03:05 PM
Roger D. Mucci
Shaken...with a Twist 216.633.2092 - Euclid, OH
Lets shake things up at your home today!

Lots of very interesting information.  Funny how things have changed so much when it comes to foreclosures.

Jul 22, 2015 08:13 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Sad.  Sad.  In our MLS a seller can list a home for $1,000 when it's actually going to auction.  The word "auction" isn't mentioned.  Very misleading to consumers.  When they contact an agent to see the home and they are advised of the fact that they can't buy that home for $1,000, they believe that you are part of a scam.

This is a classic "bait and switch".

Jul 22, 2015 08:46 PM
Sandy Padula & Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West & Florida Realty Investments - , CA
Presence, Persistence & Perseverance

Liz and Bill Spear What you describe is indeed a true condition. This is a cycle and when Blackrock and other large investors turn away from real estate for other more lucrativ returns, the banks will come around with 'new' programs for individual buyers looking to occupy the homes.

Jul 22, 2015 09:36 PM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

I have an opinon about these auctions. Having worked many REOs and had multiple discussions with asset managers that don't agree with this auctin process, it must be that the auction companies are doing a heck of a selling job to the banks to get them to believe this is in their favor and will produce a higher selling price (cost them less) and make it sell. I had one property that went on and off auction 3 times and in the end I sold it the traditional way through regular MLS methods. The consumer is not necessarily getting a deal and there is always a minimum the bank is willing to take.

Jul 22, 2015 11:09 PM
Chris and Dick Dovorany
Homes for Sale in Naples, Bonita Springs and Estero, Florida - Naples, FL
Broker/Associate at Premiere Plus Realty

Thats just not right.  We get contacted all the time by auction companies and I politely tell them to go away.  Maybe in the long run a foreclosure is not really the right thing for a 1st time homeowner.  I always tell my buyers that if a seller did not make their payments they most likely did not take cae of maintenance and it's easier to negotiate with a real seller than a bank or 2 or 3 in another state.

Jul 22, 2015 11:38 PM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Tammy, It's a foreclosure, it MUST be a great deal!!!!

Roger, Happy to see the numbers drop so much, better for the stability of the overall market.  However, it does mean a decrease in opportunities for some buyers.

Lenn, The risk of being a buyers agent, every time there's something goofy, a buyer that hasn't worked with us much (yet), will think we have something to do with what's goofy.

Sandy & Norm, It's been nice as it is to see some of the programs where they do some of the spiffing (paint, new carpet) before putting it back on the market.  On the other hand, these auctions are going in the opposite direction.

Debbie, I'm skeptical these auctions actually get highest/best/easiest for the banks.  The buyers may be more financially qualified so that might be the one thing to be said on behalf of the auctions.  Other than that, not a fan.

Jul 22, 2015 11:49 PM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Chris, It's probably not ideal, but too often someone starting out is on a tight budget, and 80% of the homes that fit the budget are foreclosed (at least in our local market).  It's critical to get a good inspection, and that's my heartburn with the auction.  You either plunk down the dollars for a home inspector and hope you win the bid, or gamble on an As Is home without adequately inspecting.  I don't have comfort in either path.

Jul 22, 2015 11:51 PM
Chuck Willman
Chuck Willman - Alpine, UT
NewHouseUtah.com

This is the totally real scenario, it's geared in favor of the cash buyer who will flip or rent the property. The banks don't even pretend to favor the non investor,

Jul 23, 2015 12:18 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Chuck, And it's a real shame.  In one case my buyers were prepared for a full price offer, but the terms of the auction are just too onerous for them to proceed.  So my expectation is if we watch this house for the final price, we'll see 10-20k less than my clients would have paid.

Jul 23, 2015 12:37 AM
Chuck Willman
Chuck Willman - Alpine, UT
NewHouseUtah.com

I clicked like on your response. It's accurate. I don't want the like to be perceived as approval though of the result from the auction site. You're correct in saying that the auction site that the bank uses will favor the easier transaction in many cases, even at a lower price. Investors have also discovered that if they create a charitable organization they have an improved chance of being accepted when they make the paid in full offer. Now that trustee sales are diminished, this has become the investor hunting ground and it largely escapes public scrutiny.

Jul 23, 2015 12:57 AM
Nicole Doty - Gilbert Real Estate Expert
Zion Realty - Gilbert, AZ
Broker/Owner of Zion Realty ZionRealtyAZ.com

Banks have been doing that here in my market for years now. The 5% buyer premiums are enough by themselves to ward off actual home buyers and not just investors. Like Chuck Willman just mentioned, I know two different investment groups who have now created "non-profit" organizations so they can get first crack at bank homes. It's a total sham though because they're operating in a complete grey area of the law and I have a feeling, much like so many other shady investor practices, it's going to come back and bite them. 

Jul 23, 2015 02:02 AM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

BLiz- the whole things sounds to me a situation where if you're a first time buyer or not that knowledgeable in real estate sales, you need to get a professional to help you walk through this. Banks are not in the business of real estate.. they're in the money business and that's all they're looking at. 

Jul 23, 2015 05:48 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Chuck, I think most of this stuff just flies right under the radar, and perhaps it shouldn't.

Nicole, I can only hope that those perpetrating the fraud in the name of "charity" get busted as they so deserve.

Kathy, And no doubt they're quite good at making that money.

Jul 23, 2015 12:28 PM
Brent Albert

Shocking, good information.

Brent Albert- Cincinnati Home Inspector 

Jul 28, 2015 08:04 AM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Brent, I don't know why the shift, but seeing more and more of these auctions.

Jul 28, 2015 09:12 AM