Mortgage Transparency Destroys Mortgage Service Levels The latest move in our industry, fueled further by its recent implosion, is that of transparency in the mortgage transaction.  For starters, I am all for that, though you may not feel that way after reading this.  Why?  Because of what transparency encourages.

To truly understand what I am getting to, let's look at what has happened to the airlines in the last 30 years or so.  Some of you are old enough to remember the "glamour" that surrounded airline travel.  In fact, families would save for years just to afford to take a vacation that included air travel.

However, deregulation took over the industry.  It brought its benefits, cheaper travel, more options, increased competition, etc.  Nothing wrong with that for the most part.  But look at what the US airline industry has become.  Poor service, cramped seats, little or nothing "glamorous" about it.  Can you say commoditization?

Yes, especially after September 11, 2001, an airline seat became nothing more than an airline seat and no passenger was willing to pay a penny more for that service, even if it meant giving up added service and amenities, such as food.  And the airlines responded, cutting out everything they could to keep costs down so they could supply that seat as cheaply as possible.

The Internet actually played a huge role in this, believe it or not.  Having instant access to the cheapest fares and doing research on ways to "scam the system" assisted in the demise of a once luxurious industry.  Now, airlines are little more than Greyhound buses in the sky.

I have seen the same thing happening in the mortgage industry.  Again, not that it is all bad, but there is a much bigger problem for the consumer that I see for those seeking mortgages.  With the Internet and the increased focus on transparency, the "lowest rate and fees" quest is forcing the industry to focus more and more on cost, providing loans as cheaply as possible to compete.  Hence, the commodization of the mortgage industry.

I find that more and more clients are not willing to spend an extra penny for their mortgage transaction, even if it means giving up service and expertise.  They flock to the Internet and other sources looking for that "lowest rate and fees" just like they do looking for the lowest airfare.

Now for the problem they don't even realize will catch them down the road.  Since everyone is focused on the here and now, saving money for the initial transaction, they fail to realize the true costs of their decisions over time.  By seeking the lowest rate and fees now, they will be almost guaranteed of obtaining the wrong mortgage for their overall financial situation.

Remember that old adage, you get what you paid for? 

Studies have shown that even if you get the lowest rate and fees on the wrong loan product, over time it will cost more than if you paid more to ensure you obtained the right one. 

Can you imagine if an airline skimped on maintenance enough so they could be the lowest priced airline?  Now imagine if their skimping caused the aircraft you were on to crash?  Are you willing to pay that price to fly?  Why would you be willing to do the same in your mortgage transaction, after all it is your financial health you are dealing with, right?

As the government moves toward requiring more transparency, possibly even eliminating Yield Spread Premiums (YSP), and you are able to see exactly how much someone is making on a loan (FYI - I have done this since day 1), be careful about the temptation to seek the lowest rates and fees.  Focus your research on getting the best value for your dollar and ensuring you get the correct loan for your situation.

 
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30 Comments on Mortgage Transparency Kills Mortgage Service: Will the Mortgage Industry's Commoditization Follow That of the Airlines?

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2008
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Robert - Excellent article and a very interesting perspective.  I hope this gets a lot of traffic because I think you are dead on in your summation here.  The analogy to the Airline Industry is a very relevant one.  Wonderful piece, welcome back:-)
3:34pm • #1
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Robert - great insight. It's too bad most people focus on the lender's interest rate vs. their own savings rate - if they focused on the latter most would be much better off financially.
4:28pm • #3
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2008
Robert.  I enjoyed your article.  I can see why it was featured so quickly.  I agree that service and loan value is being surrender as the mortgage is commoditized.  A mortgage is too complex to be a commodity.  Unfortunately, rate is king and people follow it (rate) blindly. 
1:17pm • #4
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Robert,

Great post!

Unfortunately I suspect you used the wrong old adage: "you get what you paid for" may not be as relevant as "you get what you deserve!" All to often those that shop for the lowest quoted rate and fees, get nether!

The only protection the consumer has, has ever had, and ever will have is the personal integrity of their Loan Originator!

Bill

1:44pm • #5
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Robert, Very well written post and point well taken. You are correct in your analogy and it is unfortunate! It's absolutely true that the mortgage industry is becoming a commodity. Once rate and fee become the absolute focal point it will be difficult for us to earn an honest living... we will have to cut our costs significantly just to stay afloat. The technology and innovation that we utilize to provide the best service and product for the individual needs of our clients will take a back seat to "cost" and it will be our clients who suffer in the end. It really is unfortunate that our industry is viewed as such a commodity instead of the profession that it is. Thank you for sharing your insight... Hopefully things will settle down and the government will stop meddling in places that they do not belong. We either have free enterprise or socialism but we cannot have our cake after we have already eaten it!
2:18pm • #6
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Robert,

you hit the nail right on the head , "Studies have shown that even if you get the lowest rate and fees on the wrong loan product, over time it will cost more than if you paid more to ensure you obtained the right one. " This trend is occurring right now as lenders are offering no closing cost loans but only only 5 , 7 or 10 year ARMS and 30 year fixed programs but the rates are 1 to 1.5% higher than the offered PAR rate. Borrowers are out there assuming these lenders are doing "free" loans but as we all know nothing is free in this country. On another note all loan originators should be state licensed not simply utilizing the corporations license.

Great blog!

Eddy

2:20pm • #7

Robert,

You hit that one out of the park!

I've heard from a broker who tried to get cleint in to a 30 year fixed, but they "had to have an ARM to save a 1/4 point". Sick or what?

2:26pm • #8
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Robert....  Bill said, Great post.  Huh?   Excellent and awesome.  I couldn't have said it better.  I have been expressing this same concern for the past year and you hit the nail on the head.  

This statement you made is priceless and so right on....  "Focus your research on getting the best value for your dollar and ensuring you get the correct loan for your situation."

I couldn't have said this any better...  and I am semi writing about this in my most current blog that I am posting in a few minutes....  

Overall, this post should be in every 1st time homebuyers mortgage package...  and I am dead serious about that.

PS... and I agree with Michael's comment... this has to be one of the best ones written on mortgages in 2008 and even 2007.

jeff belonger
2:46pm • #9
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Hey Robert,

Nice to see you grounded for once...hope all is well...I'm not sure what to make of the situation....I think the consumer really needs to help figure out what type of payments they can handle and hopefully you csn find them the best program as well to suit their needs. I used to see too many clients go for that6 month 1.5 teaser rate and then have it shoot up beyond pluto. I would rather sacrifice better service for a higher fixed rate.

2:53pm • #10
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Robert, This is truly an amazing post. I could not agree with you more. Once again fantastic
2:55pm • #11
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Nice post... I was actually thinking about this on my last flight to Chicago on how much flying has changed from the old days when it was actually fun. While I can tolerate the current scenario on a three and a half hour flight, I'm certainly not going to tolerate it on a longer flight and Virgin airlines certainly comes to mind on the next trip to Europe. (Luckily the maintenance issues are regulated.)

Mortgages are obviously longer then a 3 and a half hour experience. Service and knowledge rule in our book and precisely why we still use/refer the same Mortgage Brokers that we've been using for the past several years. Instead of slamming people into whatever product that is paying the highest YSP, they fit clients into the best loan for their needs. Not only that, they know how to react to what is currently going on and make the changes as needed - something that I think you'll certainly agree is very important in today's market.

Your analogy between transparency in mortgages and airlines is certainly entertaining but you even point something out in your post:

"By seeking the lowest rate and fees now, they will be almost guaranteed of obtaining the wrong mortgage for their overall financial situation."

The lack of transparency to begin with is precisely why we've personally witnessed the clients that came to us already approved by some hacks advertising low rates and fees - only to be getting shafted on the back end. (Let's not even get into the headaches we've gone through during the transaction with some of these hacks.)

"Studies have shown that even if you get the lowest rate and fees on the wrong loan product, over time it will cost more than if you paid more to ensure you obtained the right one."

Please, oh please send me one of these studies so I can give it to the next client that shows up with their pre-approval from one of the lenders on our list. (Not the good list obviously.)

I personally think that tranparency in the mortgage industry is going to benefit the professionals. When a client signs a listing agreement with us to sell their home, they know what they are getting and what they are going to be paying when it closes before they sign the listing contract.... not when they show up at the closing and it should certainly be no different when shopping for a mortgage. (Precisely why real estate services advertising low commissions or flat fees are not that big of a threat for the professionals.)

Anyways -- nice post.

3:56pm • #12
Hi Robert - great insight. I deal with clients who are losing everything -  not because they tried to gamble on the equity game, but because of a lack of transparency by their representatives. I have clients who break down and cry when I go over the HUD-1 and show them just exactly how much they paid for their "exploding" loan. I have always believed in full disclosure and TOTAL cost to the borrower. I think Originators and Brokers who continue to operate with full disclosure and with responability to their clients will weather the storm. The one good thing about out industry right now is that lots of commission driven sales people are out of it looking for the next big thing. Hopefully, the industry will benefit from a higher level of integrity because of it! Cheers.
4:48pm • #13

Excellent post.  This is timely given the recent introduction of the Zillow mortgage quote system... Just like how many people now go to Expedia or Orbitz instead of their local travel agent.  If the mortgage business becomes a true commodity, they will put us all out of business and just turn it over to giant web-sites and call centers filled with uneducated order-takers armed with scripts.  Why pay a professional loan officer a commission when you can pay somebody else $10 bucks an hour?  Why not outsource those jobs while we're at it?

5:44pm • #14
Great post, shockingly the masses want cheap stuff.  Look at all the product they buy from China and than complain about the lead based paints on toys and poison in food and medications.  Will they ever learn you get what you pay for?  I don't think so.  That's why they insist on getting that  cheap loan on the internet only to realize a few months down the road that it cost them a whole lot more.  There will always be clients who want to work with a "real person" one who has the knowledge and expertise that they are willing to pay for.  It's not the lower end category (I am sorry if this sound discriminatory, it's not meant to be) it is clearly the individual who understands the value of money. Education is an inroad, the ones who need the most counseling are the ones who are most resistant.  While they are just looking at the upfront costs, they don't even realize the tax benefits.  If you can open the door to discussion sometimes you can win them over.  Patti - Capital Line Funding Group, CA
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Robert.  This is brilliant. 

Deregulation is the worst thing ever to happen to air travel.  I avoid air travel like the plague.  You never know if or when you'll get off the ground.

Now, they're playing "catch-up" with maintenance. 

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No offence to the Loan Brokers out there but the Commoditization of the mortgage industry started in the mid 90's. Brokers started it.

During the second refi boom of the 90's brokers started mass media advertising based on rates. Hiring not very qualified people and letting them "advise" homeowners on the biggest peice of debt they had, for commission what a dangerous combination.

I spent my entire life until 30 in the mortgage industry. My family owned a Mortgage Bank, I did every job in the industry (answered phones, gave payoffs, insurance, investor accounting, processing, studied for and received my fha DE designation, underwrote, post closing and foreclosures and collections) before I could originate, I started with 10 years experience in the industry before writing a loan.  My second year I closed 1000 loans.

My father was president of the Michigan Mortgage Bankers Association when the broker law was written, his biggest regret.

We partnered with distinguished loan officers all over the state and openned six brokerages and bought their paper. When I say distiquished, one was a future president of the Mortgage Brokers Association, one is now top level at GMAC, three published books on mortgage issues.

Then came the masses in search of $$$ fueled by greed and armed with nothing. I once met a loan broker that told me he was not in the mortgage business he was in the marketing business. Nothing wrong with that, he now is a billionaire and people love working for his company. But he said it!

I am rambling but this topic is laughable, we are in the position we are today because of greed in the mortgage industry and capital markets. WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE in jobs they were not smart enough to execute.

There is no other explanation. It was not the product offerings, it was the loan officers looking for Grey areas to get crap loans through the system.

I have seen everything in this business, I have consulted companies to do the right things with there organizations and greed and hubris told them to do otherwise, they are now broke. I could go on all night and continue to bore everyone to death, the reality this business has been awful and unsoleful for many years.

We sold our company in 2003, when we sold we had just under a billion in Ginny Mae servicing on the books. Thank god we sold when we did!

BTW if you think I am wrong go to Borders and check out all the "how to make a million in the mortgage business" books.

A couple of my favorites are here, but I love:

"Guerrela Marketing for Loan Officers: How to steal deals from the competition"

It became a commodity when it became a sales position and not that of a trusted advisor.

Stay tuned for my book:

" Back to the Sprinkler Business, What Loan Brokers are doing now"   If I sound bitter I am, although my family is fine for generations, many, many first graders will be paying for this mess when they are 40. And it makes me mad, the next generation will be paying for mistakes of a bunch of over paid morons.

Wow did I say that out loud? It is about time!

 

8:52pm • #17
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This is a really well thought out article Robert. This current mortgage crisis has not helped the mortgage industry image and there will be some backlash for a while. The value of a true mortgage professional will again be recognized in the future.
11:38pm • #18
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2008
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I agree with the premise of attempting to commoditize the industry. As I'm sure you know, how often do you 'save' a deal that some hack tried to put together, only to watch it blow up a week before closing. I get at least 5 of these per week.

Take a look at taxes, and how their filed. Turbo Tax was believed that it would commoditize the filing of taxes, yet H&R Block, and countless CPA's and other tax firms are still being quite successful. Why? Cause you really can't ignore the knowledge that those individuals possess. It isn't much different in our industry.

It truly is a great article.

1:31am • #19
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Great Post Robert,

I have heard the saying "Price is what you pay, value is what you get" for a long time. Some people understand this. Unfortunately, advertising does a great job of hiding material facts and when a consumer is half way down the pipe and realize they made a mistake they rarely turn back. I do not know why that is "Pride" I assume. Noone likes to admit they were wrong. They will say next time I will call you but I al already done.  

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Robert: Everyone knows how I love analogies...this post is brilliant. We had a saying in the auto leasing business : "The lowest payment is not always the cheapest lease". This was proven to us time and time again, as auto leases have a way of coming back to bite you in the butt, and the car industry sells cars from payment ads. Our "we didn't get the lease this time, but probably will next time" file was actually our best source of business. LOL

The internet has created somewhat of a monster, in that an entire generation is coming into the marketplace thinking that the internet is the only/best way to buy anything. It has devalued the services of experts and specialists enormously, and this will have a huge impact on our business.

How do we combat this? I voluntarily am working internet leads just because I continue to try to figure out this mentality.

 

9:36am • #21
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OK, first off, thanks for all of the wonderful compliments.  I am glad each of you enjoyed this perspective.

I will be back later tonight (I hope) to respond to each of you as I am time constrained right now.  Thansk again and I look forward to digesting the commentary. 

Also, for those of you who liked this post and do not know where I have escaped to, I have done my other work at www.flmortgagereport.com.  You can see this post, as well as my other perspectives over there as I have not posted here in a while and will not carry all of the posts on both sites either.

See you soon.

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Jason - I live in the airline world as well as the mortgage one, so it was easy to compare the two, especially since I have studied the airline industry since I was in 6th grade.

Phil - It's unfortunate, but our society is rather uneducated and somewhat unwilling to learn.  Until their attitudes change, they will continue to suffer the consequences. 

Jimmy - Similar answer as I did with Phil.  Rate may be king, but that kingdom may be of the financially ruined. 

Bill - As always, very well said.  Both adages apply.

Christopher - Even in a rate and fees battle, you can still earn an honest living.  Once people learn you are honest, forthright and ethical, provding an excellent value for your fees, the issue goes away. 

Eddy - I am all for licensing (Florida requires it for mortgage brokers, though not for some others), so long as it is done correctly. 

(more coming...just wanted to save the ones so far)

6:13pm • #23

Jeff - Hopefully every homebuyer, especially first timers, will put this in their files for review.  Good job on your other post as well.

Neal - It's good to be back on AR.  I am not sure how much posting will be transferred over here, but rest assured I am still blogging away (have been - approaching the 1 year mark with the Florida Mortgage Report.)  Your response was right on (sacrifice slightly higher rate for better service), though the rate may even be the same.

Matt - Thanks.

Paul - As I said in the beginning, I am all for transparency, however this post is to emphasize the need for caution to mortgage seekers not to get trapped in the "lowest rate and fees" game.  It could lead to financial destruction as some of your examples showed.  As for studies, pick one.  I can run side by side comparisons of anyone's situation, even against mortgage acceleration programs, and show which is best. The problem is the answer truly depends on each individual/family.

Mike - I agree that transparency is needed.  I have seen too many cases of borrowers getting the shaft in the end due to lack of transparency as well (it abounds in South Florida).  I have been using full disclosure since day 1 in business, and it works very well, though I have lost deals because of it. 

Kevin - I still have not played with Zillow, so I am not sure yet what there system is going to do with the markets.  Rest assured, I will be posting my viewpoint once I get to play with it some, maybe even throw up some quotes to see what happens (maybe even purposely low balling for research purposes).

Patti - Opening the door sometimes helps, yes.  But it depends on the willingness of the person to see how much help you can do.  I have talked to many people that do not open their minds to learn new things and remain locked in a particular mindset.  Ultimately, I turn them away as they do not fit my business model.

Lenn - The funny thing about deregulation was that regulation was set up (CAB) because the idustry was seens as a self-destructing one without regulation.  Today, I see the same thing happening, yet the government wants to stay out of it, even worse, let foreign carriers operate our domestic market.  But that is for another time, another place.

(once again, I will finish momentarily, just wanted to save for now)

 

6:39pm • #24

Buddy - Well said and I couldn't agree more.  The point is, that just like the airlines did, the companies (loan officers and mortgage nrokers in our case) are fueling the whole problem.  Whether on the Internet or even in our "sales calls", we have tol the consumer to shop around and get the lowest rate and fees and we drove those rates and fees lower to gain business.  That is what the airlines do every day!!! 

The problem arises because to keep going lower, something has to give.  That usually means crappy service, or a "loan pusher", and the customer will suffer in the mong term, even with a potential savings up front.

Wayne - I hate to say it, but I disagree with the value statement.  Why?  People are focused on cost and no longer recognize value.  When shopping for an airline ticket, a seat is just a seat, even if it is wider, more legroom, etc., they will not spend any more.  I see the same occurring in the mortgage industry, no longer are people searching for professional "value", just the lowest rate and fees.  Unfirtunately, that can cost them a lot more in the long run, hence the post.

Bill N. - I like your Turbotax analagy as it holds some truth.  The problem is that most see taxes as too complex to handle on their own, but a mortgage is perceived as nothing more than a debt to get into a home.  They do not feel it is a complex decision, and since many with little education are originating (as Buddy mentioned), why should they feel any different?  Since their perception is skewed, the likelihood of their seeking professional guidance is considerably less.

Matt F. - Good point, they always realize too late, due to their shortsightedness.

Janet - Thanks for bringing in the auto industry comparison.  Let me know how the Internet lead research goes.

I think I got to everyone.  Sorry if I missed someone.  As for using this article, standard rules apply.  If you want to link to this post, I request using the following url, http://flmortgagereport.com/?p=663 which is at my other blog.  Also, please give me the credit, but use it as an educational tool for your clients and friends.  Education is the best tool one can give.

7:10pm • #25
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Very interesting take on it. I haven't flown lately. But I keep reading about all the problems they are having and such!
11:34pm • #26
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Christy - Thanks for joining in.  I work for American Airlines also, so I can attest to many of the issues as I "live" them.
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Robert,

The major challenge for us mortgage originators is to convince the customer to focus on the right loan product and not the rate. Most are looking for a short-term advantage with the lowest rate and then usually end up paying plenty more long-term. Look at all the Option ARMs causing trouble now. Great reminder.

11:53pm • #28
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Robert, Now that is one powerful testimony chock-ful of logic and wisdom. Virtuouso! Your analogy is dead spot on.

I worked for People Express in the early 80's at the start of deregulation. I worked on Wall Street when stock trading went 85% automation.

The Internet is creating a new wealthy minority -- the folks who own and control the box are making $$$ millions while the thundering herd-majority save, like you so aptly wrote, pennies. But such is the onslaught of demons when the lid to Pandora's box is pried open. Let us all survive or run for cover.

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6:07pm • #29
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2008
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What matters right now is making sure that our borrowers fully understand the type of loan they are applying for. The few of us that are still around and remain productive did just that. Loan originators rent supposed to simply sell interest rates its all about educating the borrower and making them realize that there is a simply difference between an 5/7/10 year ARM at a 5.875 % rate and a Fixed rate rate (15/20/25/30 year) loan at 6.25%. Borrowers also need to realize that a "no closing cost loan" does actually have cost. Compare the interest between a no closing cost loan and a standard cost loan.............

We are in a market that i like to call , "equity shrinking" with median home values continuing to decrease in all states especially California as foreclosure and defaults are all too common.

Eddy

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