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What Can Loose Wall Insulation And Tutti Frutti Have In Common?

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

What can loose wall insulation and tutti frutti have in common?

Well, it depends on the temperature outside!

Think Little Richard --

Wop bop a loop bop a lop bom bom!
Tutti frutti, oh rutti,
Tutti frutti, oh rutti,
Tutti frutti, oh rutti,
Wop bop a loo bop a lop ba ba!

I suppose I could go on.

So, what do you think?  Tutti frutti?

Sometimes different thermal image palettes lend different information, and this one surely does!

The temperature difference between indoors and out was only 13F.  Ideally you want to see a 17F difference to get a good a good thermal image.

But this wall showed so much I thought I would make a record.  The temperature differences aren't dramatic, but the colors are.

Imagine what it will look like in the cold of winter!  Or a hotter day!

There is just one temperature location just for reference.  So what is going on in the wall isn't dramatic because the temps aren't dramatic.  The colors are relative one to another.  But they are illustrative! 

This is a tall balloon wall in a staircase.  The insulation there is poorly placed, or loosely placed, or there are holes and gaps between places.  It's hard to say. 

But I expect that in the winter cold air will be felt moving down the staircase.

It isn't blowing cold air really.  When you feel air like is air is moving, it is due to convection where warm and cold temperatures interact.  Atmospheric convection is why the wind blows during thunderstorms.  Hot and cold meet, moisture is produced, convection happens moving air faster and faster, and the wind blows!

It will be no different in this hallway, on a micro scale, with moving air.

My recommendation:  sometimes Mighty Mo raises eyebrows.  This is new construction.  The insulation hasn't been there long.  It will likely change more when the dew point inside the wall gets wet and freezes.  I say to people who buy new homes to live in them for a year to experience all the seasons and see which areas are comfortable and which are not.  And then, before the warranty expires, have it taken care of then.

 
 
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Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

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Comments(26)

Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay Markanich  This just shows if that insulation is not installed correctly it does not perform properly.

Sep 15, 2015 12:26 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

For sure Don.  Interestingly, I had to leave early for an appointment, but was going to contact you this afternoon to see how things are.  And here you are!

Things returned to normal?  Any more issues?

Sep 15, 2015 01:40 AM
Stephen Weakley
Nationwide Mortgage Services - Rockville, MD

Jay,

Can you imagine what the temperature difference will be if we have cold weather like we had last February?  20 degrees outside should make things interesting in that stairway!

Sep 17, 2015 01:06 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I think so too, Stephen.  But I say to people in new homes to live in the house for a year and see how the rooms feel season to season.  Then, before the one year warranty is up, come to take care of it.

I did suggest another image on a really cold day...

Sep 17, 2015 01:27 AM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

Jay- you do have a way with words and music!  I wish we'd had your gizmo thing to use in our house in Leesburg.  There was an area where we could have hung meat!

Sep 19, 2015 05:42 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Rather than tutti frutti, Kathy, that the walls in that room may have been Mr. Freeze (from the Batman era)...

Sep 19, 2015 06:13 AM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

 

                            Jay Markanich Thank you for my Ah-ha moment. 

Sep 19, 2015 10:13 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Gazoontite, Kathy.

But thanks for the mention on your site!

Sep 19, 2015 03:08 PM
Lise Howe
Keller Williams Capital Properties - Washington, DC
Assoc. Broker in DC, MD, VA and attorney in DC

What a great idea to live in the house for a year (with new construction) and let the insulation settle - and then have it fixed. Thanks for a valuable post

Sep 19, 2015 09:31 PM
Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County

Your recommendation in your last paragraph should be on every new construction owner's calendar!

Sep 19, 2015 09:52 PM
Sheila Anderson
Referral Group Incorporated - East Brunswick, NJ
The Real Estate Whisperer Who Listens 732-715-1133

Good morning Jay. I agree with Gary above, and otherwise find this very scary.

Sep 19, 2015 10:01 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Lise.  I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that you missed it first time it came out!

Kidding.

Gary - I've been saying that for years.  Before thermal cameras we did not have so much information about how insulation works over time.  It's very interesting science.

Sheila - thermal imaging is not frightening, per se, but it is very informative.

Sep 19, 2015 10:20 PM
Grant Schneider
Performance Development Strategies - Armonk, NY
Your Coach Helping You Create Successful Outcomes

Jay - that is a very good point on new construction.  There is bound to be something missed and putting everything to the test the first year is important.

Sep 20, 2015 12:29 AM
Nicole Doty - Gilbert Real Estate Expert
Zion Realty - Gilbert, AZ
Broker/Owner of Zion Realty ZionRealtyAZ.com

Great advice to homeowners who choose new construction. Make sure you hold the builders to their warranties!

Sep 20, 2015 01:17 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

The first year is the learning year Grant.  And then the warranty is over.

Nicole - one has to be careful because some builders have their one year warranty expire in 11 months!

Sep 20, 2015 01:49 AM
Silvia Dukes PA, Broker Associate, CRS, CIPS, SRES
Tropic Shores Realty - Ich spreche Deutsch! - Spring Hill, FL
Florida Waterfront and Country Club Living

Jay, I admit I don't completely understand everything except that there may be an issue with the insulation.  Your last statement is great advice for any home owner in this regard!

Sep 20, 2015 09:16 AM
Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

My parents had someone come do an energy blah blah blah on their house.  They had equipment and well, my NEXT house will have the foam insulation my parents have.  They didn't have tutti fruiti photos.

Sep 20, 2015 10:18 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Silvia - the blue and green are cooler spots and the yellow and red warmer.  The scale on the right shows the temperatures.  But dead of winter those temperatures would be dramatically different.

Tammy - foam can go into the walls or in the attic, but not both.  And it isn't cheap!

Sep 20, 2015 06:15 PM
Kat Palmiotti
eXp Commercial, Referral Divison - Kalispell, MT
Helping your Montana dreams take root

Good tip about living there a year and taking care of things during the warranty period. 

Sep 22, 2015 03:45 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Kat.  I have been telling my clients that for a long time.  It seems to work!

Sep 22, 2015 07:21 AM