Listing a home in this market takes a lot of research to determine the best listing price at which it can not only attract offers but also appraise at the purchase offer amount.

I just had a listing expire after 6 months on the market. The sellers asked that the listing price be higher than my recommendation. I informed them of the dangers of doing this, especially in a declining market. They said they were not worried about it until after the first of the year. Well, the new year rolled around and after much discussion I was able to receive a price reduction. Not enough of a price reduction to make much difference. The listing price was still about $50 thousand dollars more than the market indicated.

During the listing period we received two fair market priced offers, both countered by the sellers with a price that could not be justifed. As you might expect, both buyers walked. The second offer was 80% down, a quick close, and right on the money according to the comparibles. Even had an appraiser take a look at my evaluation and they came up with the same numbers.

The sellers were sent market updates and viewing activity reports weekly, indicating the home was getting good exposure.

One of the sellers felt they knew better how to market a home and insisted it be held open every Sunday. Even felt they knew better than I where to place the open house signs.

When it came time to expire or relist I told the sellers that without adjusting the price to what the market is saying their home is worth there was no reason to expect different results. The two offers were only $5,000 apart in price, with the first offer being more and the second less as the market had dropped a little more by this time. The appraiser and I both felt the home was in the range of $650,000 to $675,000, depending on upgrades. This home fell into the lower of the range as the kitchen and bathrooms had not been updated. The offers were $655,000 and $650,000.

After informing the seller that I would expect an adjustment in price, and that holding it open every Sunday was a bad idea, they decided not to re-list with me. I do not want to take listings that won't sell because the sellers can't or won't listen to what their agent and the market is telling them.

As I look back on this listing experience I keep trying to see if there was something I had done wrong. Even though I did everything right it doesn't matter when the sellers refuse to see the logic. So the lesson here I guess is this; Don't take a listing if the sellers are not willing to listen to you or what the market is saying. Of course you don't always know this in the beginning but I'm sure there are a few additional questions I'll be adding to my listing presentation interview.

 
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13 Comments on Unrealistic Sellers - Don't waste my time

Gene I would have dropped them after the first 30 days IF I had taken the listing in the first place. 

04/18/2008 03:36 PM by Jerry Santerelli (McColly Real Estate)


Sounds like they turned down a pretty decent offer, since the seller thought he knew more than you watch what happens next---Bart

04/18/2008 03:38 PM by BART WHITMORE REAL ESTATE CONSULTANT (THE REALTY MARKETPLACE)


Jerry,

Normally I would have dropped them also but I represented them when they bought this home. In addition I represented them on the new home they just purchased. So therin lies the delema.

04/18/2008 03:39 PM by Gene Ward (VM Group Real Estate and Loans)


I always say that there is good business and bad business.  You would think since they have a relationship with you due to two previous sales, that they would take your advice.

04/18/2008 03:47 PM by Rick Tourgee - Provincetown and Cape Cod (Century 21 Shoreland)


Gene consider having the next listing appraised by a licensed appraiser before it goes on market. That's what I do when sellers are not listening to me. 

04/18/2008 03:49 PM by Peter Potylicki (Panorama of Homes)


Hi Gene,

As a retired Realtor after 19 years in the business in South Florida, I can understand how you feel. It was a hard lesson for you and all real estate agents to learn. Real estate trainer Mike Ferry used to say that if you can't control your buyers and sellers---fire them. Good advice.

Hope you make a ton of money this year Gene.

Best Regards,

Chet Waters

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04/18/2008 03:52 PM by Chet Waters


Gene.....if I take a listing that is highter than I recommend I build into the lisitng price adjustments every 30-40 days  and then it is not a point of discussion.  The sad part is if it is listed higher then the market then you are chasing the market.

04/18/2008 10:49 PM by Pam Winterbauer ~ 2006 REALTORĀ® of the Year (Windermere Welcome Home)


Wow! Tough situation, having represented them when they bought this home. I guess I would recommend that you speak about "the market", not the buyers. The market has adjusted. The market is speaking to us...

04/22/2008 12:49 AM by Vickie Nagy, Realtor, Specializing in San Ramon, Danville & the Tri-Valley! (Empire Realty Associates)


Hey Gene -

I haven't seen you around in a while.

Drop me a line - love to see how you are doing.

Get out and ride!

Mike@PatagonaiFinance.com

Active Mike

05/30/2008 07:16 PM by Mike Mueller (Patagonia Finance)


I would not have taken the listing but being in the position you were in that was toughie.  Sounds like you made the best of a bad situation.

05/30/2008 07:32 PM by Gene Allen Realtor Hampton Roads Real Estate (Resh Realty Group)


You did the best you could.  What was their motivation to sell? 

05/30/2008 08:39 PM by


They listed with another agent at a price higher than the price I recommended. Two weeks goes by and they drop the price again. Still not enough according to my calculations and I must be right because the home is still on the market. Boy am I glad I didn't cave to their listing price demands. The home is still to high and when it finally sells the price will most likely be less than the two offers I brought them when the listing first went on the market.

No matter how much good information you give someone, if they don't understand it, it does not matter.

06/06/2008 06:27 PM by Gene Ward (VM Group Real Estate and Loans)


Don't beat yourself up.  You served your clients well even if they didn't listen to you so you can feel good about that.  Now about you, nothing is more frustrating than to receive two offers that are on the money (no pun intended) and are refused by stubborn sellers.  A lot of time and money down the drain, hopefully you picked up some other business from it.  But to make yourself feel better, just watch it in MLS, watch days on market, watch them grow, watch it as proof that you gave good advice and watch that number grow and know that they should have listened to you. You've learned the lesson, now practice it with each new listing.  If the seller is unrealistic, read it as the writing on the wall and insist on that price drop or terminate.  Good luck.  Good post.

06/06/2008 07:17 PM by Alyce Martin (Keller Williams Realty)


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