I Was Shocked! What Would You Do? Can You Share Your Thoughts?

 

 

   I recently took a listing in a community where a friend of mine, fellow agent in the same office, also has a listing. He has had this listing I think close to a year and the owner refuses to lower the price to market level so there it sits with no offers.

 

   He has held numerous open houses with some degree of success and has reaped some sales from prospects visiting.

 

   I took this listing as a short sale from another friend, a victim of the market down turn. Both husband and wife were once in the business. With various complication surrounding this short sale we needed to get this home on the market and  sold quickly with the bank hopefully cooperating.

 

   When I took the listing I didn't know it was around the corner from my friend's listing I did know it was in the same community.

 

   So we hold our first open house. Now this home is probably one of the nicest and biggest home in this community and it has been vacant a few months so needless to say we had pretty good response to the first open house. Everyone want to know what's up with the house?

 

   So second day, BOOM, 2 offers. One submitted by another agent and the second was one that I wrote from a visitor to the open house. When I went to the buyers home to get paper work signed I realized it was right around the corner from my friend's listing.

 

   Well it turned out the gentleman that signed with me had visited other open houses in the neighborhood including my friends listing around the corner some weeks back.

 

   He had told my friend he was waiting for his house to sell so he could buy another and he gave his contact information to him. Weeks had gone by and the agent hadn't contacted him and, YOU Guessed it, he calls him the day after he signs the contract. The buyer tells him he signed with me. When I went back to drop off copies the buyer tells me the agent called and in the conversation said "I thought you were going to do business with me"? The buyer said to me "I don't know where he got that idea I never told him that". Also he has no buyer agreement. Now I'm feeling uncomfortable

 

   Now understand I didn't pursue this buyer. He and his wife came in to the open house, I did the regular song and dance, we talked a long time (he likes to talk) and they said they would think about it. He also mentioned they were leaving in two days to close on their home in another state. He calls me that night and informs me he wants to submit an offer so I go the next day to have him sign the papers.

 

   SO, I get the call.  "Ralph I respect you and we've been friends but this has been bothering me for a couple of days..."  And I also respect him we have been friend for about 2 years now. So I explained to him how it all went down. He says I could have called him and I asked why, the buyer gave me no indication that you had a relationship with you other then a couple of conversation at your open house. "Well I was going to call him at the beginning of the month but I forgot and I call him Monday 2 weeks into the month.

   Well, he was upset, but what I could do I had already written the offer but I didn't think he had a good argument in the matter and I don't think I have done anything wrong.

 

   So the conversation went on, and he asked, that in the event the deal went through if I would be willing to do a split with him. I responded I didn't think that was fair I didn't understand why he thought he was entitled to split. He then asked well if the deal doesn't go through if I would mind if he would continue to work with him to find him a home and I explained to him no, I do have a buyer's agreement. I don't think that went over very well, he seemed more agitated at that point. The conversation ended with me asking well are we still friends? He responded yes but I don't know I don't think I've heard the last of this.

 

   Here is the kicker. When my friend took this listing he was doing the paperwork and came in to ask a question I noticed the owners name and guess what, I was also working on getting the listing. I had already submitted a CMA and had several conversations with the seller. He was an out of state seller so neither of us had met him only phone calls. So when I mention it to him I'm sure he felt a little uncomfortable and I told him don't worry about it just go on because the seller hadn't returned phone calls, you got the listing. DONE.

 

My thoughts are ...

If it were another agent that was not a friend would he have made that call?

The buyer had visited other open houses also in the neighborhood and maybe had left contact information with them too.

Was I not to hold an open house in his turf? HMMM

Would I have made the call? NO!  I've lost plenty of deals to other agents and I've learned, NEXT! It's not worth the time.

Would he do the same under the circumstances? I don't thinks so. (He made the call)

Because you talk to a prospect that doesn't make him a client until you actually do business with him.

In the same manor because if I go on a listing appointment that doesn't mean I'm entitled to a listing, I'm talking to a prospect.

I don't think if the deal doesn't go through its fair to hand the client over, the client made the choice who he wanted to work with and being a husband and wife team it has helped us attract clients. If at some point the client takes a hike that's his choice and I would release him from the agreement and I would call my friend and say he's all yours. I don't need the grief.

Chances are I'm going to continue to run into people he has already talked to in future open houses.

 

I am really troubled by this and we may lose a friendship because I think he is unreasonable.

  

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS IN THIS SITUATION?

  

We appreciate your comments

 

Ralph

 
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27 Comments on I Was Shocked! What Would You Do? Can You Share Your Thoughts?

Ralph, you didn't do anythin g wrong.  He missed the boat by not calling the buyer sooner, and like you said, the buyer has even siad to you that he didn't know where your friend got the idea he was working with him.  Your friend should know better, and it's a lesson learned from him.

04/19/2008 10:49 AM by Bob Cumiskey, Your Sun City Center Realtor (A 1 Connection Realty, Inc.)


Goodness Ralph, I really do not feel you did anything wrong, the other agent obliviously did not make a personal connection with the potential buyer, you were just doing your job, helping a potential client that came to YOU. If this other agent was not in the same office this would have been a small blip on your radar, due to the fact that the other agent feels possessive over this potential client that he NEVER did any work for has you feeling uncomfortable, this is not a problem with you but the so called friend /agent! Plus even if he had talked/called the client or even showed other homes, since he did not have a signed buyer agreement the buyer was not "his".  Buyer and sellers are free to shop around for a Realtor and you never know why they choose one agent over the other. Smile and just keep moving on!

04/19/2008 11:03 AM by Crystal Ledbetter (Avalar Real Estate)


It would appear that you have SOME concern as to how this went down or it wouldn't be bothering you.  Personally, I think the other agent is being a bit unreasonable that you should let him have the buyer when a)the buyer did not insist on working with the other agent and b)the other agent failed to do the follow up to secure the buyer's loyalty.

If it really bothers you, I would sit down with the other agent and let them know that you had no way of knowing, that the buyer came to your open house and asked to work with you.  You might also let him know he scooped you on that listing and while it's not quite dog eat dog,  if you get scooped on something you pick up and go ahead harder the next time!

 

 

04/19/2008 11:13 AM by Ron Tarvin's Katy Agent Team-- Katy Texas Real Estate Agents (Keller Williams Realty Katy@Cinco Ranch)


I think you are handling the situation well, and it does you credit to wonder about the situation because it means that you are concerned about your friend and how he feels about it.  However, from what you have written, you did not do anything unethical, or even slightly underhanded.  I hope it works out OK with your co-worker agent.

04/19/2008 11:23 AM by Deborah Burns ~ Seattle Real Estate Agent (BRIO Realty)


Ralph & Susan...I agree YOU have done nothing wrong.  Just because you 'talk' to a person, does NOT  a 'client' make.  Your agent friend needs to let it go and learn to get a buyers agreement next time. (you snooze you loose) I think you have been very gracious in trying to talk it out, but you are not required to explain. It just shows how ethical you are!!  Cudos to you!!! 

04/19/2008 11:45 AM by Deb Jamail Galveston Texas For Sale (Neptune Properties Galveston Texas Real Estate )


I once knew a stockbroker that at one point in his life owned a liquor store. He believed that every previous customer of that store should also be his client at the stock brokerage. He was also Jewish and believed anyone that went to the same temple should  be his client. As he got older he expanded this to the point that he complained to the manager if any one else in the office opened a new account with a Jew who drank and lived in Washington DC

Your "friend" reminds me of this old stockbroker.

I look at these arguments different than a lot of agents. I beleive that it's always the clients money and their choice who they want to work with....Your "friend' dosent have a leg to stand on

The bigger question is of course is;  how important is this friendship to you?. or put another way, Are you willing to buy someones friendship with a commission  check?

04/19/2008 01:50 PM by Ron Parise (LocateHomes.com)


Just like to thank you for taking a moment a giving a little feed back

 Bob

Crystal

Ron

Debrorah

Deb

Ron

I went by his listing yesterday I thought maybe he was having an open house and we could talk but he was not there.

I do plan on calling him to see if we can sit and talk a bit. I think that if this does not get resolved it will hurt his business.

I've been in business for 35 years and I have lost many deals to competitors and had to move on. What he doesn't know is that I just lost a listing in the same community last week to another agent. I had been working on this since last July. NEXT!  It was my fault I didn't follow up, I need a better contact management system. But I certianly didn't make a call to the seller or the other agent, business goes on.

 

Again thank you for your comments

Ralph

04/20/2008 10:55 AM by Ralph & Susan Alvarez Real Estate Agent Las Vegas NV (REMAX Benchmark)


I don't think you have done anything wrong. You asked if they were represented and they said no, then it is your friend's problem since he doesn't have an exclusive buyer's agreement with them.

04/20/2008 11:06 AM by Matthew Zgonc, REALTORĀ® for Modesto, CA (ERA Village One Real Estate)


It can be difficult working with friends because they have an unrealistic expectation as to what they are and are not entitled to. They believe their friendship can excuse some of their bad behavior that they would never do with another individual. For instance, would your friend have approached his boss if that couple had signed a buyer's brokerage agreement with the same diatribe or would he have had enough sense to let it go and move on because the boss would immediately call him on his inappropriate behavior? If it is disrespectful to demand from his boss a commission split because he had a "prior conversation" with a prospect who declined to sign an agreement with him, how much more disrepectful is it to do so to a friend who is a coworker, who has a much more complicated relationship because of the soul ties born from love and companionship?  Friends are the family we get to pick.  He should be more careful with the people he claims to care about.  You did absolutely nothing wrong and your friend should know this, even if he doesn't admit it.  

04/20/2008 11:34 AM by C Tann-Starr (REMAX People Realty)


I understand that in this market and especially since your friend has spent a year marketing the other house that he is probably really in need of a sale or even a referral fee.  But he was not on his game and he dropped the ball on following up on this client.  If you had not been his friend, he would not have called you.  He knows he does not have a buyer's agreement and he probably also feels used and confused becaue he is still stuck with a year old overpriced listing and yours sold in two days.  You did not do anything wrong and I would leave it at that.  Pray for blessings for your friend and conduct your business professionally.

04/20/2008 11:45 AM by Nashville Tennessee Area Real Estate Rhonda Burgess (Realty World Southern Living)


Hi Guys,

He should have left all alone. He has proved to you he messed up.  Just remember "nearly never wins the race"

04/20/2008 12:11 PM by Patrick Canavan - Prudential California Realtor (Prudential California Realty)


 

Clearly you're in the right here.  He didn't have an agency contract - He didn't even have a good conversation going with the buyer until the very end - Don't kill yourself over this one - You're doing everything right! - If he's feeling you're so unfair, then maybe this wasn't a friendship you should worry about!

Best of luck to you!

04/20/2008 03:57 PM by Marcia Kramarz (Prudential Page Realty)


Ralph: You made the correct call. There was nothing that you have done wrong. Shake it off and go sell another one 1

04/20/2008 04:06 PM by Roland Woodworth "Ft. Campbell Area Realtor" (Exit Realty Clarksville)


Thanks for all your comments

C Tann Star

I always try to work with everyone, even the grumpy,bad attitude agents, they are all part of my business.

Nashville

I sense he has some frustration over his un-cooperative seller. But he has reaped some other benefits. And I really want to see things go well for him.

Patrick

He can still be a winner here.

Marcia

I hope to keep the friendship.

Roland

Back in the streets today.

 

Thanks All Ralph

 

 

04/21/2008 10:43 AM by Ralph & Susan Alvarez Real Estate Agent Las Vegas NV (REMAX Benchmark)


Ralph, From what you have told us, you are not in the wrong. IF you truly are friends, your friendship will remain in tact. That's on your friends shoulders. Your friend simply dropped the ball, and is trying to keep whatever chance he had of keeping this guy, for himself. NEXT...hard lesson to learn for your friend, but you are doing the right thing. Good for you, for admitting when you have dropped the ball in the past. We have all done that, I'm sure, and we're better people for admitting our faults. Best of luck and I hope it is  a smooth close for you!  Elizabeth   www.Huntsville-Realestate.com

04/21/2008 11:13 AM by Huntsville, Alabama Real Estate Agent Elizabeth Ramsey Cooper (Remax Huntsville/Madison)


Well We'll see what happens.

Today I'm going to meet with this fellow agent.  I hope we can iron this out.

 

Thanks for all your comments and feedback

Ralph

04/23/2008 10:29 AM by Ralph & Susan Alvarez Real Estate Agent Las Vegas NV (REMAX Benchmark)


Well We'll see what happens.

Today I'm going to meet with this fellow agent.  I hope we can iron this out.

 

Thanks for all your comments and feedback

Ralph

04/23/2008 10:29 AM by Ralph & Susan Alvarez Real Estate Agent Las Vegas NV (REMAX Benchmark)


Well We'll see what happens.

Today I'm going to meet with this fellow agent.  I hope we can iron this out.

 

Thanks for all your comments and feedback

Ralph

04/23/2008 10:29 AM by Ralph & Susan Alvarez Real Estate Agent Las Vegas NV (REMAX Benchmark)


You were jsut doing your job.  It sounds like you should forget about it and move on... 

04/23/2008 02:38 PM by Matt Odell, Indiana's Premier Mortgage Consultant!! (Sagamore Home Mortgage)


They weren't his clients, they were a lead he should have followed up with.  If had called them when he said he would, he would have been the one telling them about your new listing.  They wouldn't have had to find it by driving the neighborhood.

His loss.  Friend or not, I probably wouldn't have called until the deal was done since it was pretty clear that they were NOT his clients.  If he is this bad with follow up, he probably never would have known they bought.  It was silly of him to ask you to split any commission and it seems like he was just hoping you would agree.

I do have a question through... How did you not know his listing was just around the corner?

04/23/2008 02:51 PM by Sandra Carlisle, Realtor - Newport Beach - Corona del Mar (First Team Estates)


Ralph and Susan it just sounds like the agent in your office is trying to get something for nothing.

04/23/2008 02:59 PM by Mike Jackson (Realty World Global)


Wonder if your friend's wife has ever been mostly pregnant.  Exactly, there is no such thing.  The buyer was either his client or he wasn't....there is not "kind of" a client.  He knows he's wrong and you should release yourself from the guilt trip my friend.

You are not losing a friendship....he is.

04/23/2008 06:17 PM by Guy E. Gimenez ABR, CRS, GRI - Broker - Austin Texas Homes (512-731-5613) (The PowerHouse Group)


Wonder if your friend's wife has ever been mostly pregnant.  Exactly, there is no such thing.  The buyer was either his client or he wasn't....there is not "kind of" a client.  He knows he's wrong and you should release yourself from the guilt trip my friend.

You are not losing a friendship....he is.

04/23/2008 06:18 PM by Guy E. Gimenez ABR, CRS, GRI - Broker - Austin Texas Homes (512-731-5613) (The PowerHouse Group)


Wonder if your friend's wife has ever been mostly pregnant.  Exactly, there is no such thing.  The buyer was either his client or he wasn't....there is not "kind of" a client.  He knows he's wrong and you should release yourself from the guilt trip my friend.

You are not losing a friendship....he is.

04/23/2008 06:18 PM by Guy E. Gimenez ABR, CRS, GRI - Broker - Austin Texas Homes (512-731-5613) (The PowerHouse Group)


Wonder if your friend's wife has ever been mostly pregnant.  Exactly, there is no such thing.  The buyer was either his client or he wasn't....there is not "kind of" a client.  He knows he's wrong and you should release yourself from the guilt trip my friend.

You are not losing a friendship....he is.

04/23/2008 06:18 PM by Guy E. Gimenez ABR, CRS, GRI - Broker - Austin Texas Homes (512-731-5613) (The PowerHouse Group)


Wonder if your friend's wife has ever been mostly pregnant.  Exactly, there is no such thing.  The buyer was either his client or he wasn't....there is not "kind of" a client.  He knows he's wrong and you should release yourself from the guilt trip my friend.

You are not losing a friendship....he is.

04/23/2008 06:18 PM by Guy E. Gimenez ABR, CRS, GRI - Broker - Austin Texas Homes (512-731-5613) (The PowerHouse Group)


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