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Can You See The Leak Behind The Wall? A Thermal Camera Can.

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

Can you see the leak behind the wall?  A thermal camera can.

Of course, a thermal camera doesn't really "see" anything.  But it detects electromagnetic radiation that you and I cannot see. 

Looking behind the water heater there seemed to be some small spots of mold.

And on the floor molding there looked to be some slight stains.

Picking out a point on the wall it was obvious there was no staining.  And to the touch there was no evident moisture.

The moisture meter, however, detected moisture at the point you see here, and to the left.

How much moisture?

At the point in the photo it was 80% (the white gage). 

Moving the meter to the right the moisture got progressively less.

And to the left, and down, it rose gradually to 100%.

That seemed odd.

This wall abuts the powder room behind.  The moisture meter there similarly registered moisture in one part of the wall but not the other.  So the moisture pattern was consistent in both rooms.

Still, there was no staining in the walls anywhere.  And the powder room was recently completely painted.  Why was it painted?  Were there stains in the wall?

The thermal camera shows a straight, vertical line on the wall.

That line is right where the moisture meter is set in the photo.

To the right of that line the meter registers gradually less, and to the left of that line it registers gradually more moisture.

Clearly there is moisture there, apparently being blocked by a stud.

That, and the lack of staining, seems to indicate a very slow leak.

Interestingly, and something I had not noticed before, there is a slight discharge of water from the water heater.

The temperature at the service pipe over the water heater, measured by Sp2, is 88F.

And the warmth in the pipe can clearly be seen entering and traveling up the wall.  It gets gradually cooler, but still retains some heat.  There is a slow movement of hot water!

The spot measured at Sp1 is 73.5F.

SO WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS A VERY SLIGHT LEAK IN THE HOT WATER PIPE WHICH SERVICES THE HALL BATHROOM IMMEDIATELY ABOVE!

Nothing could be seen with the camera there, or measured with the moisture meter, as it is all blocked by bathroom cabinetry.  But the hot water pipe going to that bathroom looks to be the culprit!

The water leak is small, but there.  With nobody living in the house there would be no reason for hot water to be moving from the water heater and up the wall.

The leak is so small it is blocked in the center of the room by the wall stud, and wicks down the wall to where it only manifests lower on the wall, clearly seen in the second thermal image above.

My recommendation:  sometimes it takes a thermal camera, like Mighty Mo, to do a complete diagnosis.  Of course, just like in 4th grade math class you have to check your work!  The camera, working in conjunction with the moisture meter, is able to not only see a temperature pattern on the wall, but help diagnose what is going on.  The moisture meter confirms the presence of moisture, and how much.  Maybe I should call the moisture meter Mini Mo?

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(39)

Joan Cox
House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate - Selling One Home at a Time

Jay, don't think my favorite home inspector has this cool tool, but will need to ask.  We don't usually have too much trouble with water here in Denver, as we are very arid.

Sep 30, 2015 12:04 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Joan - a thermal camera is for sooooo much more than water.  But you don't have plumbing leaks there?  Wow!

Sep 30, 2015 12:06 AM
Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner
Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 - Mission Viejo, CA
Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395

Such an important part of a home inspection, water damage is a horrible thing. 

Sep 30, 2015 12:44 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

And we caught this before it became a big deal, Karen.

Sep 30, 2015 12:50 AM
Nicole Doty - Gilbert Real Estate Expert
Zion Realty - Gilbert, AZ
Broker/Owner of Zion Realty ZionRealtyAZ.com

What an amazingly thorough inspection of this moisture problem which could have gone undetected for a long time and caused way more damage!

Sep 30, 2015 12:53 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Nicole.  That is surely true.  Good thing I draped myself over the washing machine!  I'm certain everyone appreciated that view...

Sep 30, 2015 01:00 AM
Anna "Banana" Kruchten
HomeSmart Real Estate - Phoenix, AZ
602-380-4886

Jay I didn't know about this handy dandy tool. Wow - you are one heck of a investigative inspector!  Very good information - thank you!

Sep 30, 2015 01:19 AM
Shirley Coomer
Keller Williams Realty Sonoran Living - Phoenix, AZ
Realtor, Keller Williams Realty, Phoenix Az

Great information.  Mold is s great concern for many buyers.  This provides a great way to feel confident about a new home.

Sep 30, 2015 01:27 AM
Scott Seaton Jr. SLS Home Insp
SLS Home Inspections-Kankakee Will Iroquois Grundy Counties - Bourbonnais, IL
The Home Inspector With a Heart!

Just got my camera, and working on getting certified. Pretty cool to say the least. 

Sep 30, 2015 02:33 AM
Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC - Fort Collins, CO
Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate

Hi Jay - That is a very useful tool, and your detective work is impressive. I've never seen an inspector use one of these, but some HVAC guys here use them a lot.

Sep 30, 2015 02:45 AM
Rob Arnold
Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. - Altamonte Springs, FL
Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F

Amazing to see that thermal camera photo. You can really see what is going on without breaking open walls to do it.

Sep 30, 2015 03:13 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Anna - I have probably 50 thermal imaging posts on AR.  Been doing it a long time!

Shirley - mold is the symptom of a problem.  The problem is moisture.  You have to find the source of the moisture!

Practice, practice, practice Scott!

Thanks Dick.  It is a wonderful tool and helps me a lot!

Rob - it pays to have a really good camera and the right software.

 

 

Sep 30, 2015 04:46 AM
Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

We have one inspection company in town that has been using these cameras for a few years now.... they are awesome. But I don't find the majority of inspectors offering this service as yet.

Sep 30, 2015 07:50 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

That would follow Nina.  It is a great tool.  Takes a lot of time to learn properly though.

Sep 30, 2015 08:22 AM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Burlington, MA
Metro Boston Homes For Sale

Jay Markanich I think I will recommend my buyers to also add thermal images included as a part of their inspection!

What you mentioned is scary - and there is a simple solution to that!

Sep 30, 2015 12:24 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It's really a best practice when it can be done Praful.  Look around though, not too many inspectors do it.

Sep 30, 2015 04:46 PM
Stephen Weakley
Nationwide Mortgage Services - Rockville, MD

Jay, Impressive tools to say the least.  But what really amazed me is what sent you down this path in the first place.  "There seemed to be some small spots of mold."  Talk about a trained eye.  I'm thinking about having you come over to my house to see what I have been missing all these years!

Oct 01, 2015 01:17 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

And you should see how wonderful I look draped over a washing machine and bent behind a water heater to see those spots Stephen!

Very cute, to say the least.

Oct 01, 2015 05:08 AM
DEANNA C. SMITH CERTIFIED MOBILE NOTARY
Certified Mobile Notary Signing Agent - Smith Mountain Lake, VA
Highest Ranked Certified Mobile Notary in Virginia

Fabulous tool and a professional using it.   Saves heartaches after the purchase.   Great photos to go with an excellent post.   

Oct 01, 2015 05:51 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Deanna.  Trying to get information out there!

 

Oct 01, 2015 06:01 AM