I'm not really a person who gambles. I might spend some money but I'm pretty conservative and the same goes when I buy property for investment reasons. I might make a purchase....but I won't put all my eggs in one basket.

First off...when I go to the casino I usually have too much to drink and that seems to dull my senses enough that if I start to gamble.... I usually don't care whether I win or lose...I just want to have fun and hopefully play with the houses money and come home with a few extra bucks in my pocket.

But before I get there I usually prepare to lose all the money that I bring. Not to be negative but let's face it...when you gamble ......the odds are usually in the favor of the casino and not you. Oh yeah...if you're a big shot and you have lot's of money to play with...then maybe you might get lucky but even if you can spend more you could still lose...it just might take longer. The addiction of playing a sure thing is quiet enticing but when you start to lose...... sometimes it's just better to cut your loses and go home.

We all know what has been going on in our Real Estate market over the last few years. We saw homes reach unimaginable values and we saw many of them being purchased today for X and then the next day being sold at a crazy profit. Everyone was jumping on that bandwagon but if you look back and think about it you will realize that those things are just not normal. Here's an example...how can you buy a condo that was new construction for $500K today ....wait 2 years for it to close and expect it to be worth than what you paid when you signed the purchase agreement? So you buy it now and pay for it later...that's a great concept except for one thing... but when you pay $500k today and then the project is finished you find out it's worth a hole lot less. You realize that you can't make the monthly payments on your mortgage no matter what rate you get. "That's called gambling speculating.

That brings me to this unfortunate story about a few good friends of mine. Back when the market was still crazy they really didn't know me well and didn't know I was a Realtor® so they found out that a particular project was bring offered and they kept seeing all these consumers buying these condo's and expectied that when it was done that they could just turn around and sell it for more money and walk away with a nice profit. Well it might not turn out that way. If I knew about this then instead of now...I would have suggested that they don't take such a risk and maybe purchase something for a lot less money.

Eventually we became very good friends and all the kids play together and our families now get together on a regular basis for some fun. They are two couples that went into this together. Lets just call them the A and B families.  

They approached me recently and wanted to discuss what was going on with this condo. They told me they purchased it for $500K and gave the developer 100K as their down payment. Supposedly none of the units in the building have closed yet and they were just waiting for the CO and were told that they should expect to close around June. They told me that they are a bit nervous and weren't very enthusiastic that the market was going to get better. They asked me if there was anything I could do. I told them I needed to look at their contract and I mentioned that most of these contracts that people sign with these developers generally will say that you may go out and get a mortgage but if you can't qualify or get one.... that you were still obligated to close with cash.

Basically it's a contract not contingent on getting a mortgage and if you can't close then you would have to forfeit your deposit. Well they showed me the contract and I was correct...they had that type of contract. I have seen these contracts before...I should know because I had purchased a unit in a different area but it was for a lot less money and a lot less risk of loss. We discussed the possibilities and figure that there isn't much they could do.

There's really no way out. 

I told them that the problem is when you buy in this type of situation now for a price determined by the developer.....there is no way to figure out what it will be worth when you close on it 2 yrs later. They figured it was a sure thing and they would make a profit because if prices kept going up then they figured it would be worth a lot more when they close and they could flip it. Family A wants out of it and family B is not sure what they want to do. Family A discussed the possibility that maybe it's just better to walk away and not close on it and lose their 100K.

Now 100K is a lot of money to lose... and not many people will make 100K in a year so I can understand their concerns but if you look at it sensibly.....they have to figure that if they close in the next few months and have to carry it and have no idea how much it will sell for ....it's losing proposition no matter how you look at it. One thing is for sure is it will most certainly sell for a lot less than they paid so it might be better to lose 100k instead of possibly lose even more.

Their payments most likely won't even cover the nut so even if they try to rent it out they'll still be losing money ... and they might be carrying it for a long time anyway before they can get someone in there. The maintanence fess are over $500 per month and the taxes will probably be around 10K a year as a non homestead property.

Walking away from your deposit is a very common thing right now but the trouble is how can a developer offer a unit for $500k and then make you close on it if it's worth let's say $400K? The problem is even if they get qualified with a lender...how can it appraise and how can it appraise if there aren't any local comps to use?

Here's what could happen...the developer could say that if you use or in house lender you will be qualified but you'll have to pay their rates so the purchaser really has no choice but to use them. Or the developer will say that you signed a contract that was not contingent on financing so if you pay cash you will not be required to have it appraised.

So ....if you were in the same position as these really nice people are.....what would you do?

 

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18 Comments on Gambling and Real Estate....nothing is a sure thing

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21
2008
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That's really tough. I've seen with some clients of mine as well, who just jumped on the bandwagon (because everyone else was) in the hopes of making some quick and easy money. Well, gambling is gambling...and if you can't afford to lose it, you should be careful about risking it. I feel really bad for them, though, most can't afford to lose it.
8:56am • #1
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Wow Neal!  This is really a shame.  Sadly, it is happening everywhere.  I don't know what I would do.  $100,000 is a lot of money to lose but $500 a month on top of a mortgage payment, taxes and insurance could add up to that pretty quickly. 
8:56am • #2
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Excuse all the spelling errors but AR seems to be having an issue with their spell check. 

Kelly,

You are right and unfortunately they jumped in before the market hrut them.

Susan,

Major expenses..developers should let people out of these things but because of the way they structure the contract...they know that this could happen and the developers aren't looking to hold onto more inventory then they already have.

9:04am • #3

Neal, Here's a tale of four "investors."

The first one makes a handsome profit and is ushered out golden double doors by the doorman. The second buyer gets a small profit for selling but has to squueze out a window. The 3rd guy finds a solid brick wall and the basement filling with water. He should walk away crawl out if he can. The guy that couldn't get in, Number 4, was kicking himself then but thanking his lucky stars now.

Now there's the tale of four developers -- the last one who built this asset can't let the guy out of the basement. He too needs the money. Great post as usual, my friend.

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9:55am • #4
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Hmm Neal that is quite the quandry...I am not sure what I would do in your situation.  You may want to try and not get involved...maybe point them to an attorney.  Here is why:

1. You did not represent them when buying the places, so you can give them some advice now, but really can't do a whole lot. 

2.  The attorney may be able to find some sort of loophole in the contract.

3.  You don't want to give them the wrong advice and have them angry with you.  If you say keep the place, and they lose another 100k, they will be mad w/you.  If you say, get rid of it, and the market rebounds in the next 6 months, they will be mad that you told them to walk away.  Either way you lose.

Send them to an attorney.  It is much better to let them be mad at an attorney than you!  You can help by giving them a great attorneys name!

9:56am • #5
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Andrew,

I couldn't have said it any better...although yours is unique.

Jeremy,

First off...I did recommend they talk to or have an attorney look at the contract but these ttypes of contracts don't have many if any loop holes and second..there would be no reason for them to be angry at me as I never brought them to this project in the first place and I'm sure they went ahead on their own decision. They are actually the ones that brought to my attention to just walk and then I was thinking that at least they know how much they will lose versus waiting and hoping and then having it worse later on. I told them from what I can see that if it was me that is probably the way I would go unless I'm prepared to carry it for the long haul.

11:02am • #6
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22
2008
261,871 Points 26 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Neal - how sad - so true that often times the buyer feels like they are doing the right thing when in reality they could have been better protected....
12:48am • #7
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Thesa,

These are friends of mine..unfortunately they went and got this going with another agent before we really became friendly....they didn't even know I was a Realtor(R) so I feel bad...I could always tell them to list it with me but I think they wold lose a lot more waiting it out but I told them to consult and attorney but doubt there are any loopholes.

3:53pm • #8
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23
2008
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Neal - my question if they walk would be - can the developer sue for his losses (if there are any) if he has to resell it - they did sign a contract how can they just walk away, or will the property sell for more than $400 k. I think Jeremy gave the best advice - Point them towards a Lawyer -
7:45am • #9
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Kathy,

These contracts are written with a clause that states that the pruchaser may get a mortgage if they chose to but if they can't they still must close...it isn't contingent on financing. If they walk...they lose their deposit...its that simple that is why they were required to put 20% down I beleive..that's how they recoop some part of it...if they were sued then there would be so many lawsuits...I guess anyone could sue for anything but would there be a case is the question. Many people walk away in this situation ...there has been a few class action suits against developers but more on non diclosure or illegal practices from what I read but I couldn't tell you which ones.

7:56am • #10
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Tell them to get legal advice, legal advice, and legal advice...and be empathetic but not give them 'legal advice'...lol
7:18pm • #11
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24
2008
250,705 Points 3 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Neal,

There are scores of people like that in Las Vegas, too. Very unfortunate. At this point they should cut their losses and the best option probably is to walk away and let the deposit go.

 

12:40am • #12
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Neal- It's always worse when it involves a friend.....I hope their decision turns out to be a quick one...get the pain over with.
3:03am • #13
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Liz,

Been there...done that...been there done that...been there done that!

Esko,

Like I said I'm not an attorney but if you look at history and the numbers in my opinion it might be the best alternative. Cut it out before it grows.

Kathy,

I have a pretty good idea what they will do but I know they are waiting it out...their accountant told them to take it as a loss.

7:32am • #16
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I know of one guy who kep buying and flipping and finally had to move into the home and sell his townhouse (which sold quick). I'm not a gambler so...
6:30pm • #17
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Sally,

I didn't think you were that type.:)

7:28pm • #18
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2008

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