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Mortgage and Lending with www.JakePlanton.com 209327

I have borrowers that are moving here from NH. The husband will not be working, but the wife will be when she gets here. She has a contract to start working at a hospital here in Portland, making $130,000 a year. They will have about 20% to put down, on a $550,000 or so home (estimate). Great credit, great reserves. I am just curious if anyone has any ideas how to approach this one to lenders.  I have been trying for about 2 weeks now to find a way to get it to work, but all the lenders want a pay stub before they do the loan. Her last day in NH is June 30th, they are moving in July, and then her first day (per her contract with Providence) is August 1st. Her first day of getting a paycheck will be the 22nd of that month. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!

 

Jake 

Comments (8)

Kim Sellers
Lake Arrowhead, CA Coldwell Banker - Lake Arrowhead, CA
Lake Arrowhead Realtor - BRE#01412099 - Lake Arrow
I don't see why they would not allow for the move.  Maybe buy the home with the current job and pay stubs, like buying a vacation home and close before they move.
Apr 21, 2008 08:55 AM
Crystal Ledbetter
Texas Home Group - Montgomery, TX

In Tx the lenders will accept a contract for employment from the employer instead of waitng for the pay stubs.

Apr 21, 2008 08:56 AM
Crystal Bush
I Am Marketing - Atlanta, GA
if it's the same line of work and you have a contract or offer letter, there should be no problem.     
Apr 21, 2008 09:03 AM
Jake Planton
www.JakePlanton.com - Portland, OR

My issues are these...

1) they rent in NH now, and own a few other homes around the country as investments (renters buying a vacation home doesn't make sense)

2) they are going to do a VOE, and they will ask what is the likelihood of continued working, and they will say she is leaving.

3) It is the same line of work, and she is making over double what she is now, but they will not accept the letter unless I can get a paystub within 30 days, which will be hard.

 

I really do appreciate any and all advice...this one is hard. 

Apr 21, 2008 09:08 AM
Peter Wolf
Coldwell Banker - Valley Village, CA
I would see if the new employer will give her an offer letter stating the terms of employment and start date.  Unfortunately, you have the same problem.  She could refuse the employment before she starts or the company could change its mind.  i have a friend who had a great job and then the economy  changed and so did his job offer (or lack thereof).
Apr 21, 2008 11:24 AM
Charles G. Hennebeul
AMERICAN CASH SOLUTIONS INC - Melville, NY

I her last day is June 30th then she has a paystub based on her current job.  This should be submitted and deending on her contract, what is he last day to obtain a nonconditioned approval?  Can you stall?

Additionally did you submit scenario to just one bank..I see you refer to "they".....I am surprised you have not tried Wells Fargo Stated Express...it is for this scenario.....I don't think you can take this full doc and saying the home is vacation is mortgage fraud so don't do that.  I would focus on stated income w/ no 4506 ..explain to your borrowers that banks will not accept future salary as current salary.

It seems obvious that her current salary is not enough to support the purchase of this house?  This is prob'ly why you are trying to use the future income but tell the buyers that in the banking rules future is not what they go by.  Hurry!  Find a compettiive stated income program.....the market is changing and if you spend another week trying to slam full income through a very small hole the real estate agents, lawyers, and customers will start becoming angry as you push your paycheck and theirs farther back!

I say stated income with VERIFICATIOn OF ASSETS since you said they have great reserves!

P.S. not sure if oyu knew but your supposed to give a short reply to each comment as a courtesy..I didn't know this either...you can do it in one comment box..visit other comments sections on other profiles and you'll see what I mean.

Apr 22, 2008 02:04 AM
Jake Planton
www.JakePlanton.com - Portland, OR

I do not believe that Wells has ANY stated programs right now...and I have already spoken to my Wells rep, and an UW, and they both say there is no way around this transaction.  I did find a lender that will do it, as long as she starts her job within 30 days, so that is my best option as of yet...

 

I appreciate all replys, and ALL ideas, thank you so much! 

Apr 22, 2008 04:22 AM
Charles G. Hennebeul
AMERICAN CASH SOLUTIONS INC - Melville, NY

wow, so wells did away with the Stated Express..that was the equivalent of Countrywide's stated "Fast and Easy"...I just used Wells as an example...keep in mind that if the bank you found starts getting to analytical or throwing deal-killer conditions out at you....stated income verified assets is always a back up....and it sounds like you need to inform your borrowers that that is plan B so they don't have a horse and walk from you.  Wells can be stricter than an 18th century Nun but loves excellent credit and now that I think of it they do prefer full income over stated.

Even though I do only commercial I luv scenario brainstorming.

Apr 22, 2008 09:35 AM