Do not pass go, do not collect $200, etc.

I mean, seriously. Enough is enough! We, as a collective citizenry (whoa-that goes against every grain of my Ayn Rand-loving nature), need to stand up and hold people accountable for their misbehavior.

Want to know why the easy mortgage money has dried up? Want to know why so many folks are whining and crying about ‘lost equity’ in their homes? Want to know why homeowners and investors alike are walking away from houses? It’s a lack of personal responsibility and we as a society have put up with it for too long.

This morning, I received a phone call from a buyer’s agent, on a transaction that is currently under contract here in Concord NC. He was calling to let me know that the contract is being terminated, due to the buyer’s inability to obtain loan approval. (In North Carolina real estate, we have standard language in our Offer to Purchase and Contract that states that the buyer must be able to obtain loan approval.)

Drat, darn…hate to make that call to the seller-we’re back to square one. But it’s part of the gig in real estate, some contracts close and many others fall by the wayside. Before I was going to make that call, I needed to ask a few more questions…since the contract was only a week old-and I had spoken with the buyer’s lender prior to the seller accepting the contract. Something didn’t quite feel right, that it was crashing so soon.

As it turns out, the buyer was unable to obtain loan approval because she LIED on the loan application. I mean, we’re not talking a little fluff-we’re talking whiteout on paystubs!! Seriously? This buyer thought that falsifying proof of income was acceptable? When the lender saw this mess, he immediately turned the loan away, refusing to get involved in what very clearly would turn out to be loan fraud. Kudos to them for their upright behavior.

So the contract is being terminated-and the buyer wants the earnest money back, since they were unable to obtain a loan. Which is true. BUT it didn’t go down in good faith-it went down because of deception and outright lying.

(In North Carolina, the earnest money deposit is held in a trust account, with one of the involved brokers or the closing attorney. And per the NC General Statutes, it can’t be released until all parties have agreed as to its disposition. If it’s still being disputed in 90 days, the money is escheated to the clerk of court and the buyer and seller can file on one another in small claims court.)

After speaking with the seller about the situation, the seller chose NOT to release the earnest money. He agrees with me that situations like THIS have been the primary cause for the sheer amount of loan fraud and crisis in the country-and that if this kind of behavior had not been acceptable (and even rewarded), we might not be in an environment where even good credit prospects may have trouble obtaining a loan. There need to be repercussions for lying. For knowingly running a buyer agent around town, lying to a lender, having a seller take a house off the market, etc. They should NOT get their earnest money back. As a matter of principle more than anything.

 
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123 Comments on NO! You Can NOT Have Your Earnest Money Back!

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Wow!  This is a heated topic.  In my state it would be a challenge for the seller to keep the earnest money.  Option would be in question, but the earnest?  I agree it is unethical and down right wrong but what can we do about it?  The contract the state has promulgated for us doesn't have anything that covers the sellers if the buyer is lying to the lender.  I am going to keep my eye on your blog.  I feel another contract update coming!
10:18am • #1
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I agree with the seller.  I had a deal fall apart over the guy lost his job and I am the one taking the blame. 
10:24am • #2
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If you can prove it, or if the buyer is not denying it, then i would agree that the seller should not release the Earnest Money.  Though the buyer could make a case for doing their best to try to get the mortgage since "they went the extra mile" to try to obtain the mortgage :)
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  • Kudos to you.
  • Kudos to your seller.
  • Kudos to the folks in your state that has the financing contingency that requires the parties to release earnest money.
  • Kudos for standing up for personal responsibility and the law.

Too many buyers (and their agents who know) get by with falsifying the financial information.  The financing contingency should not be used as an "easy out and get my money back".  It should be used in case of loss of job and income, medical emergency that takes cash, etc.  It's not meant to protect buyers for "can't qualify".  Seller's agents should be doing their own qualifying (good for you) and if the information provided is false, the earnest money should be forfeited. 

We require a Financial Statement with an offer that states that the information contained is truthful.  We also have a clause in the Contract of Sale that the buyer agrees to cooperate with financing requirements.  Falsifying financial information is not cooperating. 

Keep their earnest money.  I don't care if the seller took their house off market for an hour, they could have lost a selling opportunity in that hour. 

This is one of my real pet peeves.  The Cavalier attitude that too many have about earnest money, financing contingencies and false information. 

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Thanks Leigh and Lenn.  Your input is very helpful.
11:11am • #5
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It might even be different if the buyer agent and lender hadn't SEEN the paystub with the whiteout so freaking thick on it.   I mean, come on.   When even Ardell agrees with a seller, you know it's blatant. =)

This is the very reason the NC offer to purchase was amended last year, to finally give a little protection to sellers.  The pendulum does work a little better when it swings in both directions.

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Credit to my husband (the engineer) that brought this us to me in our own real estate transaction.  He said, "You mean you want me to take the property of the market and lose potential buyers over the menial option fee?  I think the option fee should be a couple of grand.  Then we will see just how serious the buyers are and how confident they are about financing."  The market has changed and perhaps the way we write the contracts should as well.

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Leigh, Lying on the loan application and chnaging their pay check stubs is actually a Federal offense. I think this needs to be pointed out to the buyer along with the escrow release form. Your Seller is certainly in the right to not release the deposit.  
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Leigh,  Yeah for you!  I totally agree.  And you did what I would do.  I won't just accept the fact that they couldn't get a loan, but would speak with the lender and then get it in writing before allowing my seller to release the escrow.  You and your seller deserve the deposit, you lost time on the market and possibly even a prospective realistic buyer.
4:28pm • #9

that says it all. Hopefully more than just losing the earnest money will come to pass on to the suspect to this crime.

Bonner

5:15pm • #10
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In Texas we have a limited time to obtain buyer loan approval or the earnest money becomes at risk. The time is negotiated between the parties, but I have yet to see a buyer lose earnest money who did not make the earnest money hard.  It seems like there should be some provision for that in your contracts as well, unless the buyer is representing that they are preapproved, but even in that case, the property itself may not be approved by the lender so I would think there would need to be some sort of due diligence period no matter what.

Joe

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I completely agree!  It is about time that we start standing up for what we KNOW to be right.  I have seen way too many investors getting away scott free, and it is time to put a stop to it.  They have to be held accountable for their actions.  Thank you for posting this!
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Depending on your market conditions, I can see where the damage to your seller was much more than the amount of the earnest money. It will be interesting to see if the buyer files in small claims 90 days from now ... or will this be turned over to authorities for fraud investigation?

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Wow- white out on the pay stubs. Did they really think no one would catch onto that? Seriously.
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Leigh,

It would not be easy for me here in Florida. Usually this is a small amount, we do not even keep it in our escrow, and have it in the attorney's Trust account. When a situation like that pops up, the attorney gets red in the face, and screams that for $1,000, $2,000, or $3,000 he does not want to get it to interpleader, that he would charge half a grand just to file it with the court. He would turn to me and ask me to talk to both  Buyer and Seller and negotiate that they agree to split it 50/50 amicably.

Talking to him about the right and wrong is not going to work. He does not want to deal with this. There is no money, the costs would eat the money up, and he does not see the point in spending time on this.

Keep us posted

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In a case like this, I wish there was an easy way to get more than the earnest money for the seller.
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This should be an interesting one.  You could always say that you are going to turn it over to the FBI and see how much the buyer wants the earnest money back then.
5:03am • #17

Great post Leigh, looking forward to following your situation. It's interesting that out of thirteen unique posters so far on this all are in agreement that the seller should be keep all or part of the escrow and that there is only one that gives any credibility to the buyer's situation. This is where art imitates life on ActiveRain. Although anyone who represents a buyer in this situation would be looking out for their client's best interest, describing his/her actions as going "the extra mile to try to obtain a mortgage" seems to be ignoring the deceitful and potentially criminal actions of the "buyer". In nine out of ten cases in which state real estate commissions take action against licensees for improper behavior, there is some attempt by the agent/broker(s) to rationalize the behavior in question. This where I've seen otherwise good people go awry of the rules governing RE licensees. Bad things tend to happen when people attempt to rationalize and act in ways that could be described as "in a gray area" or "close to the line" when it is clear that if the whole thing is based on an untruthful action such as a falsified document. The difference in the consequences to the licensee usually ends up being determined by the course of action taken by the agent/broker after discovering that their "buyer" is in fact a ....

Thanks for sharing, looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

Kevin Comerford
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Leigh - me being in NC as well um, NO!  Are you kidding me?  Failure to obtain loan approval does not mean "due to falsification of loan application".  Unbelievable!
5:40am • #19
That Is also a criminal offense. If the buyer made false application with knowledge it is fraud. They need to worry about the FBI not escrow!
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Leigh, is the buyer having a hissy fit? If so point out that she created a federal offense and she be happy that is all she is losing. Gee, what was she thinking? of not thinking...
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Leigh - hit the subscribe button.  You always have terrific posts, but really want to keep an eye on this one!  Fraud should certainly have different treatment than extenuating circumstances that might cause a buyer to be unable to complete the transaction.    Not only the earnest money to the seller, but perhaps if the buyer's agent was able to charge for using her time and resources under false circumstances.... wonder how much time he or she put into this transaction as well? 
6:01am • #22

Hi Leigh

As long as the lender is willing to back you up, I think you have a good case to keep the deposit. Too bad some people think they can do anything they want in the lending process - and then not be accountable for it. Good luck! 

6:10am • #23
I would hate to see that seller have to release the earnest money deposit.  Shame on that buyer--whiteout on pay stubs? That's BAD!
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I'm sure the buyer is having a hissy fit with not getting her money back, but she caused her own problems. She is lucky that she is not in more problems for falcifing her papers! Good for you and your sellers for putting your foot down!!
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Geez...  Some people!  I cannot believe the gall of that person to think they can get away with something as blatantly false as that.
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Leigh,

The only question here is what is the amount of the earnest money?  Our disagreements go to Superior Court Inter-pleader and it actually costs quite a bit.  Occasionally it is better to negotiate a portion of the money rather than pay it all to attorneys.   This is FRAUD, plain and clear and they don't have a leg to stand on.  Should be simple to get them to sign the release.  Hope you clients weren't damaged too severely, but you may actually never know if you missed that one buyer.

List and Sell (follow the contract, remember earnest money is "good faith")   Gary @ RentonHomeFinder 

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In principal, this seems like the right thing to do, but is it practical.  Maybe the buyer's conscience will kick in and they'll walk away.  If they go to court, however, the seller's house will be in limbo while the matter is adjudicated and they won't be able to sell it to someone else.  I think this is one of the reasons that sellers sometimes just let it go, even if they might have a "right" to do so.

6:27am • #28
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I'm guessing that as soon as you throw the 'fraud' card at the buyer, they'll walk away quietly and without their EM check.

Wonderfully written post, Leigh.  Keep us updated????

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Gosh any high school student could have falsified the paystubs for the buyer on a computer and saved wasting all of that white out.  The buyer should be an edition of the stupid criminal tricks.  Kidding aside there are more than just the issues with the return of the earnest money deposit involved in this situation.  If the seller doesn't return the deposit will it keep the home from going back on the market while everyone sorts it out? 

6:51am • #30
How can someone think that falsifying documents would be a good thing?
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Leigh...you sure have good advice here. I read all the comments and you find yourself agreeing. Margaret brings up for me the probable outcome. Even when our need for righteous action or results is screaming....it is the practical aspects that win. I don't know the law well enough in your state....but if it does tie up the seller...you'll want to move on. Sometimes we don't take care of another's wrong doing....nature has a way of bringing that to bare. I have seen it time and again. Look out for your seller's interest overall, and you will be in the right. Good post and good writing. I was so outraged by your compelling work.
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Leigh, fascinating discussion.  Since the buyer actually violated the law I wonder if that will supersede the NC Contract which would, in an honest situation, return the money to the buyer.  Keep us informed as I am very interested to hear how this turns out!

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If it were during the due diligence period here (especially during the transfer of the certificate of resale) it would be a hard fight!

Like Diane says, I am interested in this outcome.  I am wondering if lying on a loan application will trump due diligence!

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Leigh.  I'm glad this got featured.  Everyone needs to read it. 

I'm especially glad it's not Members Only.  Consumers need to read this one.

7:37am • #35

"In North Carolina real estate, we have standard language in our Offer to Purchase and Contract that states that the buyer must be able to obtain loan approval."

The buyer lied,  broke the law, but the reality is that she will probably get her deposit back if she raises a stink.  I am glad the seller made the decision to keep the deposit.  Have you called the NC RE Commission on this one?  And how does the buyers agent stand on this?

7:37am • #36
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Hard to believe that people think that they can get away with this sort of thing.  I'd run this scenario by your state's legal hotline and/or the real estate commission and see what they have to say.  I would bet money that she will walk away from the deposit rather then be exposed for her criminal behavior.  My only concern is putting the property back on the market without a signed release.  I would guess you'd be okay, but I would recommend double checking on it with the powers that be.  Good luck.  Great post!
7:48am • #37

Leigh, I am a mortgage broker and a fellow North Carolinian.  I totally agree with you on this.  NO money should be given back period end of discussion.  Well, other than someone should tell the buyers side that they risk going to the Pen. for their crime.

I would like to also say that I don't agree with the last statement that you made about this being acceptable practice in the past.  I have worked on all sides of the finance industry and I have yet to witness a lender turning it's head on falsified documents.  A whited out document would be spotted instantly and thrown back to the broker and probably put on Quality Control probation.  This is something that is not tolerated.  In the past I will have to admit that the Stated programs have been fudged and not truthful but those were created so there wouldn't be an issue of document fraud.  So for the record, I don't know of any broker/lender that would tolerate fraudulent documents, that is something that is not taken lightly in our business. 

This was a great article though and I am glad to hear someone speak out on this topic.  Thanks for taking the time.

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Leigh, you go girl! I would also have to agree that the Buyer was not not only committing fraud, but also showed lack of a conscious in doing so. I'm just thankful for you and your Seller that you found out this out only a week off the market. The Seller deserves a Buyer who actually can and will buy their home legally and the Buyer deserves to be eating rationed food at the local jail-house. Good luck...I can't wait for the update!

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I agree 100%. I feel too many buyers have lied about their incomes and that is never mentioned with this sub prime mess
8:13am • #40
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I agree 100%. I feel too many buyers have lied about their incomes and that is never mentioned with this sub prime mess
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Hi Leigh,
Aren't you happy we have a new Offer to Purchase that protects the seller more?  About time!  Good for you, you're the kind of agent that makes us all look good.....you take care of your Seller.  
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Whether the seller or buyer receives the earnest money, once it is disputed, will be up to the courts to decide, all the while your seller's property may also be in limbo. It is also not up to you to decide whether it is fraud or not, since you were not the party being defrauded, exactly. It was the mortgage lender directly being defrauded. They would be the party to decide if they should involve the law.

You may win the battle, but not the war, if you insist the seller attempt to keep the earnest money.

Good luck. Sad comentary on our society.

8:35am • #43
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Leigh...  You are right on!  No, they shouldn't get their money back for committing fraud.  I hope that you keep us posted on how this dispute turns out.

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I think that Broker Byrant summed it up best first...  Ok, maybe not first, but he said the right thing.  Fraud.  Jail.  Loss of EM.
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Leigh, they certainly should not get their earnest money back.  This is not a good faith backing out of the contract!  By the way, any post that mentions Ayn Rand is worthy of featuring in my book!  After first reading Atlas Shrugged about 15 years ago, I introduced the book to my wife this past year and we enjoyed reading the book out loud to each other over the course of a month or two!
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Leigh - I had this very same thing happen with one of my transactions two years ago and the language in Idaho contracts is the same as in your state.  My seller put his foot down and threatened to sue (even had an attorney send the buyer a letter).  In my case we were farther into the contract and my seller had completed $1,400 in lender code repairs.  The buyer agreed to forfeit the $500 earnest money and agreed to pay back the $1,400 in monthly payments of $100 each.  If more and more sellers call buyers to the table like this it will help clean-up this mess.
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In Oregon our contracts state the sellers get the earnest money if the buyer misrepresents their financial status. I had a buyer (not mine I was representing the seller) use someone else's social on the app. Yep, the seller kept the earnest money.

Hold on to it and if it goes to small claims let the judge decide. It is fraud due to mispresentation and the seller should get the EM.  They'd win out here due to our clause in the contract.

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Aaawww, come one, Give the poor buyer a break. It was only a little "white lie." :)

I expect we will see more shenanigans with buyers because of the shifts in mortgage standards. Keep that money, sellers. 

Jeff 

9:52am • #50

It's sad but if we ALWAYS give the deposit back, it's kind of like never having a Good Faith Deposit at all.  We sure do spend an awful lot of time handling these funds and making sure they are processed according to Hoyle and in the most timely and well documented manner. 

In 18 years of "Practicing" Real Estate, I have only been involved in the FORFEITURE of 4 Deposits for the following reasons:

1) Buyer's Son's Union went on Strike, so now he can't give us the money to Purchase;

2) Changed my mind and don't think the House is right for me:

3) I think I'm going back to Louisiana, so I won't be living close enough to Vermont; and

4) Two weeks AFTER the date for completing a Loan Application, we hear that the Bank says "Because I never filed a 1040 in 14 years", I can't get the loan.

I had one Bank Loan Officer offer a Buyer (under #2 above) the opportunity to fabricate a POST-DATED Loan Application in order to demonstrate that she had acted in Good Faith and submitted it 10 days earlier.  When I asked him if that didn't test the definition of "Bank Fraud" he promptly tore the Application up and read the "Riot Act" to the Buyer, and she went away (without that Deposit). 

My Attorney, who's always Mr. Cautious, says that it's not worth fighting, and the money should just go back upon asking.  I respect him tremendously BUT there is a principle involved here, and we can't always take the easiest way out.

Our Vermont Exclusive Marketing Agreement also provides, under forfeiture conditions, for the Broker to keep 1/2 of the Deposit PLUS 1/2 of the interest that may have accrued, as liquidated damages, NOT TO EXCEED the amount of the Commission that would have been earned had we sold the property at the Listed Price.  When we get to this point, I feel no shame in taking my half.  I costs a lot of money to waste your time with DEADBEATS !  Color me GUILTY and SHAMELESS !

Anyway, I am frequently surprised that some Brokers have gone through an entire 35 or 40 year career in Real Estate AND NEVER KEPT A DEPOSIT !  I think that means they NEVER felt gutsy enough to try to enforce the verbiage of their Contracts !  At least I've had about 1000 other Contracts where the Deposit never became an issue.  These 4 were very uncomfortable situations - BUT NECESSARY ! 

Well, that's my story.  If there isn't a chance of losing the Deposit, then this whole Deposit thing is a FARCE !  

9:56am • #51
I hope it works out for your seller.  So, often in an attempt to protect one party from another we create clauses that allow bad behavior to be unpunishable.  I hope this is not the case for the binder, but if it is, remember your clients could always sue for damages.
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Leigh~ 

Fabulous post. I am sharing this with the brokers at our Firm...I want to know how you found out that the buyer lied!...I want you to write a book...just keep your old posts...and...one last thought...run for Office...

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Wow-you people are fired up today! =)

I should clarify that in North Carolina- a buyer who decides to breach/terminate a contract can NOT hold a seller hostage.  The property can be marketed to buyer B even while an earnest money dispute is going on with buyer A.

I'd love to respond to anyone but that would make this post spammy.  Just a couple:

Lenn-I always make everything public.  'Members only' doesn't protect a soul from what is written, so may as well hang them all out there, as you well know. =)

Don Davies-This is not about my ego or anything else.  I'm not being stubborn and am not forcing my sellers to do anything.  We had a discussion about the pros and cons of disputing the earnest money and they chose, with my passionate blessing, to dispute.  The facts are very clear in this situation and I for one am sick and tired of sellers being expected to roll over and not stand up for themselves.

10:08am • #54

Great post Leigh,

 I do feel, however, that we're missing some of the nuances here that are important.  Did this buyer furnish you or the seller with documentation claiming that they were prequalified based on these falsified documents?   Falsifying documents AFTER you have agreed to go under contract would violate section 5 (iii) "Pursue qualification for and approval of the loan diligently and in good faith;."  However, since the seller would have already agreed to go under contract without inquiry as to the buyer's financial fitness, your seller may not be entitled to any kind of damages as a result of this buyer's actions.

Irrespective of that, the violation of that provision of the contract may constitute breach, and your seller is certainly within their rights to argue the point.  

Some people on here have suggested that you inform the buyer that loan fraud is a federal crime and THEN see how they feel about the earnest money.  I would caution strongly against this as extortion is ALSO a federal crime.  This matter should be reported to the NCREC and state attorney general, at a minimum (perhaps also the SBI, FBI, etc.) and its reporting should have NOTHING to do with whether or not your seller keeps the earnest money.

Also, presuming that the buyer's agent KNEW that this person was not fit to buy the property and HELPED them defraud you, the seller, and the lenders (either explicity OR tacitly), that agent's license may be on the line.  This further underscores the importance of reporting the incident to the NCREC (as well as possibly the CRRA, supposing this agent is a member).

KEEP US POSTED! ;)

10:09am • #55

Leigh,

Great post! I agree that the seller gets to keep the money. As everyone mentioned above, it will be interesting to see how this pans out since the contract does not mention lying on a loan application as a way to get out of the contract. I had a property for sale not long ago. The buyer and I agreed on a price and put it in writing. Buyer hears that his company is laying people off. He was not officially laid off. I have contacts at the said company he works for that said his territory is not affected. The only ones getting laid off are the factory workers in another state. I refused to release his earnest deposit. Rumors of getting laid off is not an out. Guess what. I found out that he found another house he liked better. I had my property off the market for 3 weeks when he let us know this. People do need to take personal responsibility.

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I think that people need to suffer the consequences of their actions.  There is too much "fixing" it going on. Every action we take has a good or bad consequence and that is the reality of LIFE!  sellers should get to keep the earnest money.  Lying people are not protected on our contracts!  Proving the lie may be difficult, but necessary in order to keep  Earnest Money. 
10:21am • #57
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Aaron-The buyer agent is as shocked as I am about this situation, or at least that's the impression i have.  I do feel bad for that agent.  We had a pre-approval letter from the lender, and I called and talked with the lender to verify before we agreed to the offer.  I'm not an attorney, so I'm not one to tell the buyer what's legal and what's not-i just know the NC contract and nowhere in it does the buyer get out because of lying. =)

10:25am • #58

Leigh,

Ask the lender for the loan denial letter, if it says buyer "doctor'd" or falsey mis-lead lender than perhaps your seller can with hold some/all earnest money. My experience has been documentation, documentation,documentation in case it goes to court.

Good Luck!

10:28am • #59

I see...

Yeah, it sounds like, given the due dilligence that you did in order to verify the buyer's suitability, there would seem to be some sort of possibility for damages even BEYOND the earnest money.  Section 4 (a) "In the event of breach of this contract by the Buyer ... such forfeiture shall not affect any other remedies available to the Seller for such breach."

For the earnest money issue, it would seem that the important question would be, can one act in "good faith" AFTER having acted in "bad faith?"  At some point, the lender figured the whole thing out, so if the buyer is only required to at some point come to their senses and act in good faith, then you may be out of luck.  If, however, acting in good faith as a legal concept requires vigilant compliance, then they are in breach.  

A good attorney would probably be able to tell you the answer very quickly.  Unfortunately, I'm not an attorney (but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night ;) ... kidding)

10:39am • #60

Here in Washington both buyer and seller must sign the Rescission Agreement that contains the "Earnest Money to go to _________" If the buyer cannot obtain financing and the buyers agent fills out the rescission agreement and buyer signs it must be signed by the seller also.  If its not the money sits in escrow.

If there is a financing addendum in the Purchase and Sale they have 5 days to get a pre-qual letter and 30 days to actually have funds available to close.  Luckily Pre-qualification letters are getting harder for buyers to get,use to be just a "OK how much is the house you want?, heres a letter". 

Do you think in this mortgage climate people are still thinking they can lie and get a loan? Before taking a potential buyer to look at property I ask about lenders, criteria etc., if they have not spoken to a lender and found out their target price of a home, its mandatory they do so before we all waste time looking at homes they cannot afford.

Also, as Burt said above, get the loan denial letter from the lender if a buyer is turned down for financing, that is a must for a flipped sale file.

Great post!

Cathy Elmore*Windermere Ocean Shores, WA
10:47am • #61
So who is turning the buying in for FRAUD?
11:22am • #62
I would have the seller make an offer to the buyer to keep 75% of the deposit and the buyers to get back 25% of the deposit.   This could make sure that the seller can complete a sale with a new buyer and the buyer does not waist everyones time trying to get the full deposit back and spending even more time on this dead horse.  Obviously there are holes in the buyers story.  Also,  how do you know that the paystubs were whited out.  Do you have actual proof of this deception?
11:33am • #63
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I can't believe the buyer put whiteout on paystubs!  That is crazy.  I agree with you and the seller here, but I don't know if the court will.  But, you could come back with potential clients were lost because of the house being off the market.  But, you have to proove that too.  Good luck!

11:37am • #64
I believe in the past this would have just gone away....but everyone is working so hard to sell homes that if nothing else it will certainly stop this person from doing this again.
11:55am • #65
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Wow!  It is amazing the low level people will stoop to.

Kudos to you and seller for not returning the earnest money.  I hope the court rules in the seller favor because of the fraud.  Good Luck.  Thanks for sharing.

11:58am • #66
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If the buyer does drag it into court, there is loan fraud at the head of it, and the buyer would be dumb to pursue it.  For the seller's time off of the market, they should be allowed to keep the deposity, since the offer wasn't done in good faith, nor was the loan app.  Someone who lies on a loan app though is most likely slightly self-righteous and propbably feels they deserve their money back.
12:26pm • #67
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The buyer should feel lucky that they aren't going to jail..... earnest money should bethe last of their worries.
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White out on their pay stubs, that is really dumb, they sure don't desreve their earnst money back
12:39pm • #69
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Leigh, I had an agent who was also the buyer who "lied" and falsified paperwork. Wrote her offer without a financing contingency Zero days to obtain a loan saying she was fully approved. Called the night before Christmas to say she was not moving forward because of her "loan".  Found out that she never made loan application and then wanted her depost returned. She even forged the seller's signature on a release. You just might hear about this at a later time.

 

Thanks for standing up for what is right!

12:44pm • #70
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Hi Leigh - Wow, I can' believe that with all the news about the mortgage crisis and real people losing their homes left and right that this buyer would knowingly put him or herself in such a risky position not to mention help contribute to the mortgage mess we're all seeing right now.  I actually wrote a post a while back to first time home buyers about being financially ready and responsible before looking for their first home.  It's really important.  People need to be educated about the financial responsibility of homeownership.  What I've found is so many first-time home buyers don't even have a clue.  
1:12pm • #71
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Sometimes I am still amazed at what some people are capable of doing.  Great post.

daniel

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Great post leigh. Luckily the lender cought the fraud. I'm  sure that would have not been caught a year or two ago.
2:03pm • #73
I've never found myself in that position but being stubborn I would definitely not release the money 
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Amen to the term "taking responsibility."  What a novel concept in the world today :)
2:45pm • #75
Oh my goodness, I would expect that particular buyer to be walking away red-faced with shame.  But unfortunately in this day and time, so many people don't feel shame or embarrassment, they just seem to get angry when they get caught doing something like this and want to put the blame and responsibility elsewhere.  I am looking forward to seeing the last and final chapters on this one.
2:52pm • #76

I have been in your shoes.. not exactly with the white out incident but other issues where my seller deserved the earnest money.  One thing I want to do is play devils advocate.. watch your words.. we are not lawyers and therefore can not say who is right or who is wrong.  Watch what you put in writing, it may hurt your seller's case and what ever you do don't state the law without a law degree.  I have seen agents get really burned because they read the contract and determined what it meant and offered their advice which the seller/buyer followed and when it didn't work out they way they wanted the agent was sued and lost.

Just looking out for one my own!  Good Luck!

4:01pm • #77
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Leigh... Oh my gosh... This is the first that I have heard where the potential buyer has whited out the pay stubs.  Not only should they NOT get their money back... but a fine for falsifying documents would also implemented.  We as realtors take too much heat for things that happen outside our control.

4:04pm • #78

Out here in California the money does not go hard untill certain terms spelled out in the offer are met. All contingencies must be removed by the buyer. I agree with you Leigh that fraudulent activity should be reported to the lawdogs but also see the value in keeping the contingency safeguards in place within the contract, especially in todays real estate environment. The majority of homes on the market in my area, central coast california, are short sales or REO's. This means you are either working with a distressed seller trying to fish for a lowball offer to take to the bank without any idea if the bank will agree to it, or a banks asset management company who will send back a counter offer without signing it, then rescind the offer after your buyers have signed their unsigned counter offer. They are all out fishing for offers without wanting to create an actual binding contract. This is no way to do business. I agree with you Leigh, that traditional sellers should not get the run around, but with these short sales and REOs dominating the market, I am glad my sellers have a built in timeframe to withdraw from the contract.

4:41pm • #79
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Congratulations to you!  I bet you've earned a lifelong client for standing up for them.  I'm suprised to hear all the drivel in some of the responses.  First off, the buyer terminated the contract, thus no problem re-selling the property.  The only question is where the earnest money ends up.  The reason for earnest money is plain and simple to ensure the good faith actions to fulfill the contract obligations.  This clearly didn't happen.  My stance would be the same as yours.  Let the buyer litigate for the money!
5:06pm • #80
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Great story... but I'm curious. Does the buyer still have inspection rights? Couldn't they have terminated under the inspection provision a whole lot less riskily?
5:08pm • #81
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WOW!!  Thats unbelivable.  Well it is believable because I have seen all types of things of this nature.  I absolutely agree with you.  There should be some consequences for actions such as this.  This was a waste of time on everybody's part.
5:26pm • #82
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Leigh, we certainly do need tightening of the laws for the "frauds" and with a serious consequence I might add. Your seller is right about a few bad apples ruining the whole bunch! When it gets right down to it though our Promulgated forms for Texas actually protect the Buyer more than the Seller. Go figure.

Now, I have a girly question for you. My husband is a huge fan of Ayn Rand also. From a female's point of view...can you explain why? He has tried to explain to me the philosophy behind the writings and I guess with our Venus/Mars thing going we just aren't communicating. After he explained the need to be "selfish" I decided I just didn't want to read the book. Did he explain it right?

Thanks for the post. I will look forward to hearing more about Ayn...pretty please? Thank you so much and Later in the rain~Deb

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I completely agree that the earnest money needs to be kept by the seller.  That is outrageous behavior!!

7:28pm • #84
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Wow.  Keep us updated.  It's been really neat to see what the laws/rules seem to be in different areas posters are in.  Here it'd have been very hard to find something like that out. 

I have had one that wrote an offer contingent upon financing, didn't mention she had another house to sell.  When the buyers for her place pulled out, she gave us notice she could'nt complete our deal. The seller wanted to keep earnest money, feeling she'd lied, but she really felt she didn't because the financing was contingent upon her house sale, and she had the financing contingency. 

Anyway, seller released earnest when he got another offer in so that he was free to proceed with that one.   So here, it will delay the availability of the home while they dispute earnest, though most agents would put it back active on the MLS when they know for sure that it's not happening.

7:29pm • #85
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Amen!  I agree with you.  We need to take personal responsibility seriously.  Great Post!
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I agree that they were louses to lead everyone on and they probably should lose their earnest money BUT while the fight is going on, the house is still tied up for the seller.  It would probably be better to terminate the contract and go on with business.
8:18pm • #87
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Fraud. Fraud. Fraud. Fraud.

Keep us posted. We are all curious. I'm subscribed.

8:51pm • #88
Never lie on a loan application, people should never lie anytime...yeah right!!  :-))
11:34pm • #89
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I cannot agree with you more. Someone has to take offers/contracts seriously and people have to know that there is a 'cause and and effect. Understandably sometimes things happen and the contract needs to be terminated ( job loss, death in family, relocation) .... but .... when people lie, cheat, and try to steal ...their way in --- The seller needs to be protected and buyers need to know that the offer is not " just words." Great job.
6:21am • #90
Sheree:  We have agents that try that here (slide in a sale contingency under the disguise of a financing contingency), but we are  very careful to check with the lender to be sure that this isn't the case.  Our  purchase and sales agreement contains verbiage that when the buyers signs it give us the right to speak to their lender directly.  We can talk to the lender before we even accept the offer as the buyer has already signed their consent.  We always ask the lender if there is a house to be sold in order for them to qualify.  I believe that it's reckless for a buyers agent to do this as it could end up costing their buyer the earnest money.  I believe that it's deceptive to the seller and puts the buyer at risk. BTW... we have also seen buyers say that they were buying in cash when in reality it was cash from an equity loan.  Again, I believe that this is deceptive and could also cost the buyer their earnest money as those offers are generally not subject to a finance contingency.  We always ask for proof of funds on cash offers or offers with significant down payment.
8:58am • #91
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Leigh.  You made a good point about the buyer being able to hold the seller's house hostage.  Actually, they can't do that anywhere.  They just think they can and many agents tell them that they can. 

Unfortunately, too many agents believe that the seller can't sell if the buyer doesn't release.  Not so.  I see the comments in our MLS Remarks regularly "subject to release". 

 

9:53am • #93
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Ayn Rand must be turning in her grave with everyone walking away from mortgages, people getting mortgages who don't deserve them and a nation bailing them out with taxpayers money!

I agree whole heartedly with you and your seller. The 'buyer' does not deserve to get a cent back. Interesting that the buyers agent didn't tell you the reason but actually tried to get the money back for the client! Can you say enabler? IMO, there are far too many enablers.

I'm a huge Ayn Rand fan as well as a staunch believer in her philosophy!

9:54am • #94
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You know, that same thing happened here just 3 days ago. The loan was not granted because of falsifying w-2's. That's crazy. What happens if they wouldn't have caught it and she got the loan? Obviously she couldn't afford the house, so why would she do that? It makes no sense to me.
10:55am • #95

Leigh,

I used to sell new homes and whenever I went over the builder's contract with the buyer, they'd always ask if their EM was refundable. I told them it depended on the reason. If they were transferred out of state, if they lost their job, couldn't get financing, etc. Something out of their control. However, if they just decided one day they didn't want the house, then they didn't get it back. It never occured to me to say oh, yeah, and if you commit FRAUD you don't get it back either!!! Hmmm... why is that? ;)

Good for you and for your clients!

Best wishes,

Terri Hayley

11:38am • #96
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Yeah...I have a problem with that too..or they give the amount...they think they make...also loan officers should be a little more cautious giving out pre qual letters..without checking some of this stuff...
12:21pm • #97
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Leigh, I find this incredible.  While I am involved in Real Estate, I am far removed from the actual transaction end of the business.  So, seeing myself speak as a general consumer, I find this conversation remarkable.  What have we come to when we even find a need to discuss what should happen with people that engage in fraudulent behaviors?  What has happened to us that as a society that people like this feel as though they're not responsible for their behaviors?  I just see it everywhere I look, "Something or someone out of my control made me do it!" "It's not my fault.", what a load of crap.  Wrong is wrong and I don't need laws or contracts to tell me that there should be no reward for acting in this manor.  Whew, I feel better now.
1:12pm • #98
I would hate to do it, but I would probably tell the seller to release the earnest money. Here in Waco, Texas, our Board of Realtors will not put the listing back on active status until they have a copy of the Release of Earnest Money form signed by everyone. If either side balks and takes it to court, the seller will not be able to put the house back on the market until it is settled. 
Ann Cordes
2:25pm • #99
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There is a lot of emotions, and the indignation of the public is understandable.

I am not trying to argue that. What I would love to hear is what you can do to get the money, if the Buyer states that he/she wants the money?

What exactly are you going to do to get the money?

I can believe readign that if you can get the support of the Lender.... Heck, you are representing the Seller, how can you get in touch with the Lender?

Anyone ever tried to call FBI on something like this? Just try.

So if the test is whether we are all decent people, we all have passed it. If the thing is to do our business, can that be that we failed? No solutions offered so far, (though I amy be wrong, I was not reading all the comments carefully).

10:26pm • #100
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Here's what a Wisconsin attorney advised us in a CE class about earnest money in that State:

"Tell your clients not to expect to be able to impound earnest money, even if the buyer is at fault or insincere about their intent to buy.  You and the seller will likely get sued if you release the earnest money to the seller.  Earnest money isn't meant to be a tool for the seller to use to punish a non-performing buyer.  Earnest money is a demonstration of good faith and good intent at the time an offer is made.  Your seller isn't going to get rich collecting earnest money in bits and pieces from defaulting buyers.  Try instead to counsel your sellers to be reasonable and to return the earnest money.  You'll be better off in the long run."

I agree that a buyer may deserve to have to lose their earnest money.  But this attorney told us that a broker (at least in Wisconsin) can get into a hell of a lot of trouble by determining who "deserves" what.  Who wants to go to court, especially over a transaction that's not going to close anyway?

 

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Eric:   If the Broker is allowed to make this determination in Wisconsin, that is scary.  Seems to me that when we are listing property that we are to be looking out for the best interests of our seller client, so how can we do this and advise them to give up earnest money?  If it's just to keep the Broker out of trouble, that doesn't seem like working in the best interest of the seller.  Here in NH, we are not allowed to make that determination.  Both parties (buyer & seller) have to sign the release and agree to how the funds are to be disbursed.  If there is no agreement, it goes to interpleader and a court decides.  I'd hate to have to be the Broker having to make a determination like that.  Does your state offer an option that would allow a court to decide?

10:14am • #102
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Amen, Katherine.  In North Carolina, it's LAW that the money can't be disbursed unless buyer and seller alike have agreed as to its disposition.  I'm not saying that it's necessarily worth a court battle-but until the buyer decides to drag the seller into court, why not tie them up and make them THINK about what they did? 

The house is on the market again and receiving showings.  The buyer wants their money back.  The seller doesn't think they should get it back.  So the money sits in the trust account until 90 days, when it is escheated to the clerk of court.  I for one would LOVE for the buyer to go to the courts and ask to have the money returned.  Then they'll likely get themselves in more trouble than they realize.

10:30am • #103
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In Wisconsin, my understanding (from what the attorney told us in CE) is that we are not supposed to make a determination in favor of either buyer or seller, but the default choice he suggested is to encourage return of the earnest money to the buyer.  In other words, we were told unless the buyer voluntarily agrees to give up the earnest money, it was suggested we encourage the seller to sign and release it.

The court can always decide in favor of one party or the other.  If a seller is so aggrieved that they insist on litigation, he told us to advise them to consult with a competent real estate attorney.

However the Wisconsin attorney's advice was to try first to counsel the seller to be reasonable.  It isn't necessarily against the seller's best interest to counsel them about the potential risks of arbitration or court (so long as we don't attempt to practice law), so why would it be working against a client's interest to offer them this perspective?  And the attorney told us unless the seller can prove they suffered an economic loss as a result of time off the market or some other reason, they may not prevail in court. 

The attorney told us that no agent can count on the court to rule in favor of your seller, no matter how "just" or "fair" it seems to be for the seller to keep the earnest money.  I'm not arguing with you, Leigh, but I'm just not sure it's appropriate for us to enforce morality issues, to "teach defaulting buyers a lesson" or punish buyers for their bad behavior. 

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Eric,

Thank you for your two extremely important comments. They set the things in perspective. I am happy you did it, because there are a lot of emotional comments, but being stuck thinking that you can use this as a tool to punish the Buyer maybe miles and miles away from reality.

The agents should know that being indignant is one thing, and advise the Seller to get into the battle is another. I had Sellers going nuts and jumping into the battle, nothing good came as a result. And they were as right to be angry as Leigh's seller.

This maybe a dangerous mindset. We can't punish. And the Seller can't punish.

9:37am • #106
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Interesting blog.  I'm coming to the soiree a little late via Jon Zolsky. 

If the buyer committed fraud, and by that I mean deceiving the loan officer as to income/assets, etc, then in Alaska, they have violated the good faith requirement in the purchase contract.  Doing so means their earnest money is gone.  Period.  The trick is that here earnest money is held in trust (generally) by the selling office.  Brokers in Alaska have the contractual authority to determine disposition of the earnest money in the event of a dispute.  The buyer and seller agree the holding broker can release funds to either party... ideally a release authorization should be signed, but it's not necessary.  As you can imagine there have been disagreements as to who should get the EM deposit.  Brokers looking to appease their buyer clients have been known to release funds even when their buyer was in the wrong... several have been successfully sued for it.

I just went through a similar transaction.  The buyers lied about their employment and when the lender did the VOE, they denied the loan.  Standard contracts state buyers have up to 30 days to secure mortgage loan approval and the buyer was denied on the 25th day (I think).  They hinged their argument on the fact that the denial came within the 30 days.  My answer?  Tough cookies.  Be happy the seller isn't suing for additional damage.  Earnest money was released to the seller.  The buyer was kicking and screaming; threatening to sue us into oblivion.  I told them to file the brief... I would be happy to go toe to toe with him.  I think he's a renter... again.

7:42pm • #108
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Interesting comments.  As a real estate lawyer of many years, I would dissent heartily.  First, the contract standards were breached by the SELLING agent.  If that SELLER had seen a qualified lawyer, the agreement would have provided for a forfeiture; time lines, and so on.  These "forms" protect realtors, not buyers and sellers; we used our own to protect our clients.  So while the realtor is outraged, the fault is one hundred percent hers from the first day, using a form with "gaps" and "questions".  Since everyone hates lawyers, I point out that my clients litigated many of such messes caused by lazy realtors who know one rule:  Never, never, let a lawyer see the seller or buyer until the  FORM paperwork is signed...it protects us the realtors. 

I have actually written significant agreements FOR the Multiples...our goal there was to represent THE REALTORS, not the future buyers and sellers, and that we did well, but our office actually didn't use the forms (since they belonged to the client etc).

If you angry people don't see that DECENT thought and representation requires realtors a) to insist on sizeable down payments, period, and b) DECENT agreements, of course this is going to happen.  Just so you know, though, there is no legal right under THIS agreement to seize the money arbitrarily, so the realtor needed immediately to say to the Seller:  You Mr. Seller need to call a lawyer, and if you do not give back the money, remember you hold me harmless from suit and complaint on my license.   Those who THINK lawyering is simple and any realtor can do it, well, the present mortgage fraud mess proves realtors agreements certainly get defrauded pretty regularly, eh? 

Ok, enough, you folks go back to ranting about your own utter lack of knowledge of fiduciary law, realty law, and the law of forfeit under badly written contracts in NC, rather than saying...hey, as realtors, HOW CAN WE stop this in the future with a BETTER agreement and REAL qualification of buyers and deposits?   

 

 

taxd2deth
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Thank you for visiting, taxd2deth.  I'm not sure that I see how I'm to blame for a buyer who was trying to commit loan fraud...and you should know that I'm not trying to practice law-i am not a lawyer nor do i pretend to be one.  I'm following the law, which states that the earnest money in dispute can not be disbursed to either party until both parties agree as to its disposition.  At this juncture, the seller does not agree that the buyer should get their EMD back, and the buyer wants it back. So it will sit in the trust account until such time as they either change their minds, or agree on something different, or it gets escheated at 90 days. 

I do agree that the contracts need work, but they're a heck of a lot better than they used to be, and there's at least some protection for both parties in the current paperwork.  If you are so convinced that you can draw up better forms, please do a lawyering job and contact the NCREC and offer up your services.  Seems to me that you're contradicting yourself by asking Realtors to go re-write the existing paperwork.

And please don't miss my main point-what makes me angry and what makes the seller angry is that the buyer PLANNED to defraud the system.  PLANNED.  Wasn't acting in good faith at all.  The size of the EMD is irrelevant.

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I agree with you.  The buyer is guilty of fraud and even if the emd is returned there should be some kind of legal action brought.
8:32am • #111

In this case your obligation is to your seller, and I think that you and the seller are doing what is in their best interest!!!!  I hope more seller's and agents start standing up for themselves.  Might start weeding out the "buyers that are liars"

9:42am • #112
No wonder the mortgage industry is in such a mess.  I happy to know that with the new laws and changes they caught this one before we have another foreclosed home.
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I went through something similar. I was the builder of a home with a Contract to sell for $251,009. SunTrust Mortgage didn't verify employment, assets, etc. I mean it was bad! Anyway, I signed a Disbursement Authorization to allow the construction funds to be disbursed directly to their borrower in which would then write us a check. We requested the first draw for 11% of the Contract and received it, then 9 weeks later we requested the 2nd draw for all the framing, labor, roofing, etc. another 26% of the Contract. They received the money in their account and then fired us. Our local attorney filed a Statutory Lien against our own Security Interest. The Judge ruled that we clearly didn't breach the contract, however they have filed bankruptcy and the lender and permanent mortgage still hasn't defaulted them. We believe because if they do the rest of the funds deposited in Escrow for construction would be used to settle our account under the Contract assigned to the mortgage. It has been a nightmare and the Construction Mortgage pretended (after our attorney filed the way he did) that they didn't have any Notice as to our Contract. Our Contract was listed in the Loan Application, Commitment, Loan Agreement, Contract and Description of Materials. I would like to turn them over to the Attorney General for their Application because they should have never received this loan in the first place. The wife didn't even have a job although she stated she made over $3500/mo. I live in a small town and this has been overwhelmingly frustrating to say the least!

Callie Calhoun
9:34pm • #114
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2008

Leigh,

Kudos to the seller, and to you! Personally, I would like to see some kind of criminal charges filed. This also makes me angry!!! This is INTENTIONAL ATTEMPT TO COMMIT LOAN FRAUD. Period.

I agree with your statements in your post, this is exactly why a lot of this mess is going on right now. Maybe if some of these people started getting prosecuted, this blatant fraud will start to decrease. We would be far better off without the burden of all the hidden costs we all ultimately bear. I think one of the problems is this type of crime is not high profile enough for "our system" to bother with. We are more interested in prominent DA's affairs.

9:12am • #115
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Does earnest money hold a house or can you still receive offers on it?

John
9:59pm • #116
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2008

I have a sticky deal I hope someone can help me with.  I have an investment property that went under contingent contract in January.  The buyers listed their house for a higher than normal price.  In March I was told they were going to reduce the price....never happened.  Three weeks ago, I asked my agent to release the contingency because I saw no real effort on the other party to sell their house, they never reduced it.

Two weeks ago, I found out that they have atheir house under contract and still want to buy mine.  That was fine, the cintingency was never taken off of mine which was my realtor's fault and I am not happy about it. anyway, we were supposed to be closing on June 20 and I get a phone call on May 23 from my realtor(dual agent, mind you) and she informs me that the buyer may be losing his job and will find out on Tuesday, May 27, so I let it ride over the weekend.  I had to call her up this morning to find out that the buyer doesn't know yet if he will still have a job(company might be sold)

To sum it up, she wants me to sign a temination of contract and release of earnest money.  In the meantime, I have had to carry the costs of over 1,000 per month while the house showed contingent over the four month period.  Can I keep earnest money?  does anyone have any answers?  I would appreciate any angles.  Thanks

 

 

paul
11:30am • #117
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Fabulous post - I will save this one in case I run into this situation down the road.  My business has shifted dramatically from Buyers Agent to Listing Agent and I'm beginning to run into more of the same.

However, if the buyer is unable to obtain loan approval then he has an out in the NC contract.  My question to you is how did you know they lied on the application? How did you figure it out?

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07
2008

Yeah but what about when your buyers agent convinces you to go with her company's (Century 21) mortgage company instead of the one you already had lined up and they promise you a conventional fixed rate loan for 97% of the purchase price and give you a good faith estimate to that effect after you turn in all your bank statements, pay stubs, & etc.  They then change the interest rate 3 times.  Then after you get a contractor to fix some rotted wood on the house because both your buyer's agent and lending agent guarantee you that if you do that the loan will go through with no problem but they then tell you that the property is in a declining market so you will only get a mortgage for 92% instead of the 97% conventional fixed rate loan that your contract was contingent upon.  Also your contract is contingent upon having 10 days to inspect the property but they refuse to turn the utilities on for an inspection until 11 days after you sign th contract and then you find the A/C and heat doesn't work.  This is what is happening to us in Shelby County TN and they are telling us that we don't stand much chance of getting our $1,500 earnest money back even though we have a loan denial letter.

Sarnold51
11:18pm • #119
SEP
07
2008

Can you break a real estate contrcat in the state of NC within 24 hours

 

3:30am • #120
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Hi Anonymous-

There is no right of recission on NC real estate contracts, unless you're buying to-be-built condos.   if you are in a contract, if you want out you should contact a real estate attorney as your earnest money could be at risk.

8:37am • #121
NOV
07
2008

I am a little late to the party here, but I like your article. Something to keep in mind though it is not applicable in this case, is that in Wisconsin at least, if you do take the Earnest Money, that is considered liquidated damages, and you cannot later sue for specific performance or actual damages. Basically you cannot have it both ways.

Something to keep in mind.

 

Sean M. Sweeney

<a href="http://www.milwaukeebusinesslawblog.com">www.MilwaukeeBusinessLawBlog.com</a>

 

 

Sean Sweeney
5:27pm • #122
JUL
16

We are the seller and have done everything the buyer has asked (repairs, etc) in a hurry and then the afternoon before closing, they extend the closing date for 1 month.  Because they didn't move fast enough on their loan (which was already preapproved), we now have to suffer.  If they don't end up closing, we will have wasted the whole summer on them. I hope we would be able to get the earnest money if they walk.

Seller with a lousy buyer
11:55am • #123
AUG
16

this may be out of the topic but still in the context. I would just like to ask if can we get the earnest money that was given to the seller for the reservation of the car that we suppose to buy but problem came.

12:20am • #124

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