What is a Daisy Chain?

I field phone calls from commercial loan brokers all day long discussing the different loan scenarios that come across their desks. Our company advertises in the Scotsman Guide and this generates some “cold” incoming calls.

Frequently, we will get a phone call from a Broker A that received a loan file from Broker B. Broker B received the file from Broker C who received it from Broker D who knows the borrower. This is what we call a broker “daisy chain”.

Merriam-Webster defines a “daisy chain” as “1) a string of daisies with stems linked to form a chain, 2) an interlinked series”. One broker linked to another broker linked to the next broker, etc.

Daisy Chain

Problems with Daisy Chains

Human nature dictates that every broker involved in the transaction feels entitled to a piece of the pie. Each will often demand their own “fee” for services rendered. Often this is a deal breaker. If there are four brokers in the deal each charging a 1% fee the borrower is now paying a fee of 4% just to brokers! As Brian Brady writes , “what value does the agent bring to a transaction” to demand a fee?

If the borrower balks at the fee, Broker A is likely to say to Broker D, “I know the lender, you know the borrower, if we cut out B & C the fee is only two points and the borrower gets his loan closed.” Now Broker D is in an ethical dilemma, because he plays golf with Broker C on Wednesdays. Does he get the loan closed and burn Broker C to earn the commission?

Let’s imagine that this is a perfect world and all of the brokers in the deal lower their fee to an amount acceptable to the borrower. However, they are unwilling to give up their contact in the chain for fear of a future “circumvention”. So every piece of information needs to be passed from the borrower to Broker D to Broker C to Broker B to Broker A to the lender. (Did you ever play the game Telephone as a kid?)

How to Avoid Daisy Chains

Ask if the hard money lender lends their funds. Or you may ask if the hard money lender brokers their deals. Both of these questions should give you a better insight into the lender’s business model and how they make loans. If a “lender” brokers all of their deals, you may get caught in a daisy chain. Ask enough questions to get a straight answer and to understand the lender.

Remedies for a Daisy Chain

The smart broker that finds herself in a daisy chain situation will take control of the situation and work as the main point of contact for both the lender and the borrower. For example the chain of brokers lowers their fee to 2% of the loan amount. Broker D volunteers to coordinate between the lender and the borrower for a larger share of the commission, say 1%, allowing the other three lenders to split the remaining 1% without having to do any additional work.

Cutting out a broker from a deal, because they do not have a “signed agreement”, is a bad idea. This is a quick way to ruin a reputation and to never receive a referral again.

Summary

Daisy chains should be avoided at all costs. However, if you find yourself in the midst of this situation, take control and work to bring the deal to completion. This is an opportunity to gain a reputation as a broker that gets things done in the eyes of the borrower, other brokers, and the lender.

 
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3 Comments on Locked Up in a Broker Daisy Chain

OCT
06
2008

Hi Peter,

I thoroughly enjoyed your blog on daisy chains, you hit the nail right on the head. When I entered the REO market as an intermediary/broker 2 years ago, all I was doing was fighting with brokers on who was getting paid and how much, never seeing the end result of satifying our customers needs in purchasing portfolios. After educating many brokers on the end results and taking the money issues out of the equations, miraculously, deals began to close, and fortunately, I have been successful in the REO game.

I know you only specialize in commercial lending, could you recommend a residential hard money lender that thinks like you outside the box ? I have a few investors looking to purchase high end luxury homes and would like to see if hard money lending would fit their investment strategies.

I am local here in Discovery Bay, you can email me @ ishikawafingrp@aol.com

Best Regrads, Michael Yoshino

 

 

8:03pm • #1
NOV
20
2008
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Peter...enjoyed you blog...I wrote a similar blog see at http://activerain.com/blogsview/798674/Quality-of-Source-and-Brokers . I agree with you with avoiding daisy chains as much as possible. 

1:32pm • #2
NOV
21
2008
138,387 Points 3 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I'm a successful REO Realtor (Broker Salesperson), member of NRBA, and I am disgusted with daisy chains.  Did I say that?  Yep, but in looking at the number of people who have hit your post, I'm believing they were drawn to the title for the wrong reason.

10:25pm • #3

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