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ActiveRain Community Guidelines and Referrals

By
Real Estate Broker/Owner with Venture Realty International

Kathleen Daniels wrote an interesting post today titled "Simple Question: Agent Refuses to Pay a Referral Fee".  Most of my business is dealing with referrals and naturally, I have been giving her post a lot of thought. 

I also wondered how the question relates to the ActiveRain Community Guidelines which many of us have been reviewing for the 2016 Blog JUMPSTART Challenge - Grow Your Personal Best for YOUR Success 

My personal viewpoint is that anyone who assists me should be rewarded. I have paid referral fees with no referral agreement and also for referrals three or four years after I have received them. In one case, I received a referral from an agent and the client arrived with friends who also purchased. I paid referral fees both for the client and for the purchase made by the friends.

This question can be answered in several ways. On one hand, we have the legality of the entire matter. On the other hand, we have the concept of ethics and personal responsibility. I feel that the code of ethics of the National Association of Realtors® and the ActiveRain community guidelines are guides for our ethical consideration.

I am not an attorney, so this is not meant as legal advice, but I looked at a copy of the California Association of Realtors® referral document and here is the language:  "...upon recordation of deed or other evidence of transfer, it within 12 months, (or __________) from the date of this agreement...".

I am afraid that most courts would agree that it is not within 12 months and no referral would be legally required.  The two-year time-frame given in the example would give little protection to a referring agent.

 

 

As to the ethical consideration, I think that is much different. As members of ActiveRain and Realtors®, we generally attempt to hold ourselves to a much higher standard of responsibility to the public and to our fellow professionals.

  • The ActiveRain community guidelines state "...  being a part of any community requires a certain level of trust".
  • "ActiveRain members must remain zealous in their quest to represent our industry in as true and professional of a light as possible, for both their fellow professionals and the consumers who access this platform".
  • and, "The ActiveRain community and real estate industry as a whole will only be respected to the degree of  character represented by the actions of its professionals. Do not conduct yourself in a way that disgraces your fellow members on this network".

I also believe referral agents, both the receiving agent and the referring agent, will find that their business will grow much more if they gain a reputation of going beyond the minimum required when working with referrals or any other aspect of real estate.

Another thought is the Golden Rule, "Treat others the way you would have them treat you." 

It also seems to be a subjkect for the concept of karma. The Wikipedia encyclopedia makes the statement, "good intent and good deed contribute to good, and future happiness, while bad intent and bad deed contribute to bad karma and future suffering.

 In summary, when dealing with referrals or anything else in real estate or in life we have choices. When we look at contracts and day-to-day situations, we must obey the law, but we do not have to follow community guidelines or code of ethics. They are different. Our choices will reflect our character and our personal sense of responsibility.

My belief is that by choosing to belong to the ActiveRain community, we are agreeing to hold ourselves to higher standards and that we should not use technicalities to avoid our responsibilities to other professionals and to the public.

 

 

 

 

 

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Gary Coles (International Referrals)
Venture Realty International - Las Vegas, NV
Latin America Real Estate

Good evening Althea Kippes, Esq. I really enjoyed the story you told.  And I like your choice of the word integrity to describe his actions.

Jan 21, 2016 11:03 AM
Gary Coles (International Referrals)
Venture Realty International - Las Vegas, NV
Latin America Real Estate

Good evening Evelyn Johnston You are correct about paying attention to the little details.  it is easy to forget them  but they are crucial.

Jan 21, 2016 11:04 AM
Gary Coles (International Referrals)
Venture Realty International - Las Vegas, NV
Latin America Real Estate

Good evening Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner It is nice to be able to sleep at night. I really do believe in Karma.

Jan 21, 2016 11:06 AM
Gary Coles (International Referrals)
Venture Realty International - Las Vegas, NV
Latin America Real Estate

Good evening Dagny Eason I think their are a lot of fans for Karma here in the Rain.

Jan 21, 2016 11:07 AM
Gary Coles (International Referrals)
Venture Realty International - Las Vegas, NV
Latin America Real Estate

Good evening Pat Starnes  Thank you.  And I agree that ethical and moral considerations do not have an expiration date.

Jan 21, 2016 11:08 AM
Claude Labbe
RLAH / @properties - Washington, DC
Realty for Your Busy Life

Gary, I was going to accuse you of being ethical, and worse, you probably enjoy a good night's sleep every night.  Though Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner sort of beat me to that punchline.

Life is short.  There is a legal way to do things, but at times, ethics demands a higher bar. Those who meet that are usually the better people.

In the case of Kathleen Daniels 's post, sure that agent may be thinking they've saved themselves $20g. They are kidding themselves, in the long run, it will cost them much more.  And I know they don't sleep as well as you.

Jan 21, 2016 12:14 PM
Jerry Newman
Brown Realty, 210-789-4216, - San Antonio, TX
Texas REALTOR, San Antonio Military Relocation

Gary, I love how you stated that we are held to a much higher standard. Your post is right on the Money. I think of Honesty, Trust, and Integrity all come into plan with sending or receiving referrals from anyone.

Jan 21, 2016 12:20 PM
Teri Buchanan
Level Up Realty - Napa, CA
Seniors Real Estate Specialist in Napa Valley

Excellent post and excellent method of operating, Gary. Every agent should view the issue this way. It's just good business as well as the right thing to do. 

 

 

Jan 21, 2016 12:27 PM
Sharon Parisi
United Real Estate Dallas - Dallas, TX
Dallas Homes

Many facets of our business are based on integrity and personal responsibility. Unfortunately, doing the right thing does not come naturally to all people.

Jan 21, 2016 12:47 PM
Tammie White, Broker
Franklin Homes Realty LLC - Franklin, TN
Franklin TN Homes for Sale

I have received referrals through AR and would never think of NOT paying the agent. As you said, even if an agreement weren't in place, ethically it's the right thing to do.

Jan 21, 2016 01:02 PM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Burlington, MA
Metro Boston Homes For Sale

Gary Coles (International Referrals) -

Love this ---

"I feel that the code of ethics of the National Association of Realtors® and the ActiveRain community guidelines are guides for our ethical consideration."

this speaks volumes for ActiveRain...

Jan 21, 2016 03:10 PM
Kat Palmiotti
eXp Commercial, Referral Divison - Kalispell, MT
Helping your Montana dreams take root

People who are ethical are that way regardless of what the rules or guidelines say. I would always pay on a referral, no matter how long it took (and our referral agreements have no expiration date either suggested or not).

Jan 21, 2016 09:25 PM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Our default nature is to do righteousness...Stray from that and you're toast

Jan 21, 2016 11:02 PM
Theresa Akin
CORPUS CHRISTI REALTY GROUP - Corpus Christi, TX

I have paid all referrals sadly have not been reciprocated by all. AR community was not involved. Few years back.

Jan 22, 2016 02:52 AM
Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC - Fort Collins, CO
Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate

Hi Gary - Excellent thoughts on what is really the central issue. We may be legally contrained, but beyond that our worth as a professional rests with our ability to make ethical choices.

Jan 22, 2016 07:05 AM
Martin E. Kalisker, Esq.
Natick, MA
Real Estate Law From A Practical Perspective

Gary -   I've gone through all of Kathleen's comments but not all of yours.  Glad to see that you've received quite a few!  At the end of the day it all turns out to be the Golden Rule ... " Do Unto Others As You Wish Others To Do Unto You...."  

There is also an issue of abandonment and estrangement that should be considered by all agents/brokers involved in any referral agreement.  If you believe you are entitled to that commission, how involved were you in achieving that commission?

 

Now on to read what everyone else has said!

Jan 22, 2016 08:51 AM
Troy Erickson AZ Realtor (602) 295-6807
HomeSmart - Chandler, AZ
Your Chandler, Ahwatukee, and East Valley Realtor

Gary - I couldn't have said this any better. Way to go, and I completely agree.

Jan 22, 2016 02:42 PM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I have found most agents are honest and a verbal agreement works fine, but if things get going follow up and get it in writing.  Paying for the friend that showed up was above and beyond.

Jan 25, 2016 02:38 AM
Liane Thomas, Top Listing Agent
Professional Realty Services® - Corona, CA
Bringing you Home!

When I get a call about a possible referral, I ask for the referring agents email right then. While they are on the phone, I email them, thanking for the call and spelling out the % of the referral. Ask them to forward the agreement over so I can get my broker to sign it asap. It is in writing, clear, and there is no question of them getting paid. 

Jan 25, 2016 05:13 AM
Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

Hi Gary -- Kathleen Daniels' re-blog brought me here and I must say this is a very thoughtful and thought-provoking post.    One of the best things about ActiveRain, in my opinion, is the way posts, comments, answers and questions and lead us to express our opinions on a variety of subjects.

Jan 25, 2016 06:03 AM