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Another Real Estate Bottom Feeder . . . Rises to The Top

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Another Real Estate Bottom Feeder . . . Rises to The Top

 

It's been slightly less than 10 years since the DOJ settled its lawsuit against the NAR,

The settlement amounted to the break-up of NAR's memberships' work-product, otherwise known as: the listings.  

For further reading, here is the DOJ vs. NAR Final Judgment

What was hammered out in the Nov. 2008 settlement is merely the basis of this post, not the review of it.  However, once dust settled, then the fun started.  The third-party leech sites emerged.  

Not only did the third-party leech sites come on scene, but every wanna-be "get rich quick, I got a better way to slice white bread while building a better mouse trap" emerged.

I'm not going to get into what was the intended / unintended consequence of the settlement agreement. But, I will use Sir Issac Newton's 3rd Law of Motion:  For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Of course, Newton was talking about physics, and not legal matters.  

 

" When one body exerts a force on a second body,

the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude

and opposite in direction on the first body "

 

Several weeks ago, I became aware of a real estate business model.  Apparently, this outfit skims the IDX feed, which is permitted thanks to the DOJ vs. NAR settlement.

What the settlement does not stipulate, or allow, is manipulation of data by the third-party and/or NAR member.  And, NAR's Code of Ethics frowns upon meta-tagging, misleading (which sounds so much nicer than false) advertising, and confusion of the general public.  Which is IRONIC, since the DOJ vs. NAR lawsuit was filed because of the general publics' -- alleged -- confusion with real estate market information.  

Since the settlement, bottom feeders make information about as clear as mud.  But, that doesn't stop them from sucking up the data, and putting their own happy spin-off on it. 

There is a company in my local real estate market of Portland Metro who has an IDX feed running through their site.  We all do.  But what makes the feed appear to have fallen to the bottom is this real estate companies BRANDING method -- with other brokerages' work product, i.e.,:  The Listing!

Simply put:  The IDX listing feed, which contains the list price, is tagged/branded with a suggested est. rental price -- which is part of their business model:  To find renters for properties they . . . wait for it, wait for it, wait for it  . . . don't own.

There is nothing in the local  listing agreements of which I am aware that obtains permission from the sellers to advertise their property as a RENTAL by a third-party / competing brokerages' site.  We don't even have rentals on the RMLS in our area.

2016 NAR Code of Ethics.

 

  • Standard of Practice 12-10

REALTORS®’ obligation to present a true picture in their advertising and representations to the public includes Internet content posted, and the URLs and domain names they use, and prohibits REALTORS® from:

  1. engaging in deceptive or unauthorized framing of real estate brokerage websites;
  2. manipulating (e.g., presenting content developed by others) listing and other content in any way that produces a deceptive or misleading result;
  3. deceptively using metatags, keywords or other devices/methods to direct, drive, or divert Internet traffic; or
  4. presenting content developed by others without either attribution or without permission, or
  5. to otherwise mislead consumers. (Adopted 1/07, Amended 1/13)

 

" Article 16 ~ REALTORS® shall not engage in any practice or take any action inconsistent

with exclusive representation or exclusive brokerage relationship agreements

that other REALTORS® have with clients "

 

I'm not a listing agent.  I practice Exclusive Buyer Agency.  But, if my SELLERS' property was on an IDX feed with a RENTAL PRICE on a competing broker's website in order to bait buyers and turn them into tenants . . . I might have to advise my clients to OPT OUT of the IDX feed altogether (which sellers may do under the DOJ vs. NAR settlement agreement). 

As a seller, I would have the position that my proeprty is not fish bait for bottom feeders.  But, I know too much about how the listings are used.

  

  • Standard of Practice 16-18

REALTORS® shall not use information obtained from listing brokers through offers to cooperate made through multiple listing services or through other offers of cooperation to refer listing brokers’ clients to other brokers or to create buyer/tenant relationships with listing brokers’ clients, unless such use is authorized by listing brokers. (Amended 1/02)

  • Standard of Practice 16-19

Signs giving notice of property for sale, rent, lease, or exchange shall not be placed on property without consent of the seller/landlord. (Amended 1/93)

 

 

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Carla Muss-Jacobs has RETIRED effective May 1, 2018

Representing Buyers in the Portland Metro Real Estate Market | Clackamas Multnomah and Washington Counties | Since 1999

Carla Muss-Jacobs, REALTOR®, ABR, CEBA, ePro
Principal Broker/Owner ~~ INACTIVE

Carla Muss-Jacobs' retirement became effective May 1, 2018

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Patricia Kennedy
RLAH@properties - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

Carla, there are some positive results, because consumers not have many more price/quality options than they did ten or so years ago.  But the disclosure of the exact nature of these options needs to improve so consumers understand what they are getting.

Feb 01, 2016 10:48 PM
Jeff Stevens
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices New Mexico Properties - Las Cruces, NM
Jeff Stevens, Associate Broker/REALTOR

Thank you Carla Muss-Jacobs, Principal Broker/Owner - I have not heard this being an issue for our area but I'm so glad I read your informative post on the subject. I represent both buyers and sellers plus I'm a landlord. Good thing to keep an eye on and be aware for my clients.

Feb 01, 2016 11:05 PM
Barbara Birinyi
Quitman, TX
TX Real Estate Broker - Horse Property Specialist

Good discussion. Thanks for posting it Carla.
As usual, there's always two sides to a story or in this case a lawsuit. And as the NAR oath says, we should DO UNTO others, etc.
The specific business model in this case seems like a good way for an investor cash buyer to attract potential tenants. Everyone needs a place to live but not everyone is capable enough to own real property.
Yes it's a shame we real estate professionals list properties for FREE and then sometimes loose all control of the marketing and leads for that work product.
Just say NO to IDX!

Feb 02, 2016 12:08 AM
Michael J. Perry
KW Elite - Lancaster, PA
Lancaster, PA Relo Specialist

Kill the monster when it's young , otherwise it will grow up to Gonzilla !!!

Feb 02, 2016 12:10 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Wow, as usual great job. I understand the whole premise but I don't understand the WHY as they really don't have a product to rent to anyone. So who has the time to fish for renters?

Feb 02, 2016 12:44 AM
Susan McCall - - Compass Realty Solutions
Compass Realty Solutions - Portland, OR
Listing and Buyer's Agent

Well done Carla, well done.  The client actually knows best as they found it on the internet.  I remember when the rules were changed and it didn't make sense then and they opened up a whole big box of trouble.  Perhaps it is because everone else knows more than we do.

Feb 02, 2016 02:47 AM
Jan Green - Scottsdale, AZ
Value Added Service, 602-620-2699 - Scottsdale, AZ
HomeSmart Elite Group, REALTOR®, EcoBroker, GREEN

False advertising indeed! Makes me wonder about IDX?!

Feb 02, 2016 03:23 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I think we should be complaining more to the board about how or information is used and the boards need to put down more rules about how the data is used and limit it being mixed with data from other sources. 

Feb 02, 2016 05:16 AM
Ron Aguilar
Gateway Mortgage Group - Saint George, UT
Mortgage & Real Estate Advisor since 1995

Another amazing story to share with us. I do like the replies. Thank for your time...

Feb 02, 2016 06:39 AM
Joy Baker
RE/MAX Insight - Salem, NH
So NH RE & Short Sale Specialist

Wow...just...wow!  Bottom feeder is right. 

Feb 02, 2016 07:58 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

They can write all the rules in the world .. all with good intent ... and someone will always find a way around them.  At a pace that makes your head spin, Carla Muss-Jacobs, Principal Broker/Owner.  Some things (such as common sense and greed) remain outside our ability to regulate ...  unfortunately ...

Gene

Feb 02, 2016 09:45 AM
J.R. Schloemer
Kentucky Select Properties - Louisville, KY

So is anything being done about this "business 'Model'" from the Portlans Association or even the Oregon Association? In my experience, all of these laws are created and passed, but in order for them to be enforced, someone has to step up and rock the boat to accuse the offender. At which point it seems as if the accuser will then become vilified by the rest of the community. Again, Law-Abiding practitioners suffer from the actions of those who have no recollection (or regard) for the Law. SMH!

Feb 02, 2016 11:40 AM
Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate Services

Carla, I had to visit and read more of the comments. Gene Mundt, Chicago-area Mortgage Lender - www.genemundt.com nailed my thoughts ... greed and common sense cannot be regulated.

While the company may conceptually being doing a good thing ... the manner in which they are doing is just wrong. I wonder what loophole the found.

Feb 03, 2016 01:02 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED

The loophole of everyone looking the other way on their listings and allowing competitors to brand themselves with listings any which way.  It's just a code that they use.  No one wants to say a thing these days about anything.  Wrong is wrong, right Kathleen Daniels 

Feb 03, 2016 05:44 AM
Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - Wanda Can!
Red Rock Real Estate (435) 632-9374 - St. George, UT
St. George Utah Area Residential Sales Agent

Carla, I am still wondering why Zillow and Trulia are allowed to post innacurate real estate information with no accountability when we are held to a higher standard as agents. Hope those in charge get wiser and take a stand against this type of third party company...someone...anyone?!

Feb 03, 2016 07:08 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED

Z&T are part of "who" can use the MLS' information, which is part of the entire DOJ vs. NAR suit.  They are NOT licensed Realtors in that regard, so they don't have to abide by the Code of Ethics.  They just use the MLS data any which way they want . . . which was NOT part of the original, agreed to settlement.   When Realtors have to talk about third party inaccuracies on data, it truly is appalling.  But, I've found more and more Wanda Kubat-Nerdin of the general public think that because it's on the Internet . . . and on these portals . . . it's supreme information they have and they are now, our equals.  LOL  The break up of the MLS and the third-party leach sites has eroded the industry with false information.  The company in my post, however, are Realtors(r) . . . at least they have acccess to the RMLS listing data which is how they pull the listings in my local market and brand their bait and switch "rental" amounts on the homes that are for sale.

Feb 04, 2016 02:36 AM
Mark Artesani
Keller Williams Realty - Fountain Valley, CA
Huntington & Newport Beach, Fountain Valley Homes

I hope your MLS looks into this site.

Feb 03, 2016 10:13 PM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED

Mark Artesani I hope so too.   The agent is not even located in this state.  They are members of the RMLS, which is required to obtain the precious . . . IDX feed.  Our RMLS requires that members are, also members of NAR. The "brokerage" on the RMLS has an address in Chicago.  WHAT A FREAKING JOKE!  I'm not even a listing agent (as an Exclusive Buyers Agent) and it appalls me.  I'd be pissed if my client's home was branded with a competing broker's bait . . . the rental "est" they came up with.  The house is listed for sale, it's not listed for rent.  

Feb 04, 2016 02:41 AM
Will Nesbitt
Nesbitt Realty at Condo Alexandria - Alexandria, VA
Nesbitt Realty is a family-run brokerage.

Keep up the good work, Carla Muss-Jacobs, Principal Broker/Owner at (503) 810-7192 to Portland, OR.

Feb 04, 2016 05:04 AM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

Excellent post Carla and continues to prove there are those out there that do not want to play fair and take advantage by bending the rules. It's just not right.

Feb 07, 2016 05:56 AM
Evelyn Johnston
Friends & Neighbors Real Estate - Elkhart, IN
The People You Know, Like and Trust!

If a couple of people complain to the Attorney General in Oregon, these bait and switchers will be gone before you know it.

Feb 07, 2016 11:23 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED

They are in other markets too, doing the same thing by manipulating the IDX feed.  (Don't even get me started on their business model, oy vey!) Evelyn Johnston 

Feb 07, 2016 11:41 AM
Diana Dahlberg
1 Month Realty - Pleasant Prairie, WI
Real Estate in Kenosha, WI since 1994 262-308-3563

It just amazes me that there is always someone who is going to take advantage /// "Bottom Feeders" is right!  Interesting post.  Gave me another watchful eye on another way to get scammed.

Feb 10, 2016 01:05 PM
Eren Millam
Realty World Cosser & Associates, Inc. - Chehalis, WA
Certified Negotiation Expert

I see this a lot as well, but it doesn't concern me as much. Yes, I get calls from people asking about renting my listings, but I convert them into clients by telling them what a great time it is to buy in this market. They would have had no other reason to call. Also, Listings are all about exposure. Just because someone can't buy doesn't mean they can't share it with their network. 

Mar 04, 2016 07:06 AM