The biggest docmentation challenge facing mortgage applicants in this brave new world of EXTREME DOCUMENTATION is (choose one):

A. Having enough assets

B. Having enough income

C. Having enough downpayment or equity in property

D. Having a mortgage broker smart enough to put together a puzzle with 1000 small pieces and no picture on the cover of the box

Okay, I threw in that last one just to rant about the current state of affairs at my desk. 

The answer is "B", having enough income. Just because you made the money, paid tax on the money, took it to the bank and cashed it, then bought lunch with it, DOES NOT MEAN IT WILL COUNT AS INCOME ON YOUR CREDIT APPLICATION.

Nope. The truth is banks are darn picky about what income they will accept as proof you have the ability to pay back the loan. Would it surprise you to know that when stated income was alive and well (and being used properly) the intent was to give good credit borrowers with plenty of income the ability to buy houses?

This is because many forms of income are simply not allowable to banks. While most people automatically think of the waiter earning tips, or the business owner who "lives" out of his business (showing very little income on his tax return), there are other lesser known situations that prevent income from being considered as part of qualifying for a mortgage.

Let's  just say the mortgage industry is still attempting to figure out what to do with perfectly good borrowers who have slid between the cracks, and now cannot qualify for a loan.

Here are some ACTUAL examples, straight from my desk, of income that the lender rejected as NOT ACCEPTABLE:

THE SELF EMPLOYMENT TRAP

Borrower was self employed for last 12 months, had a W2 job for 12 months prior. (Self employed income must be steady for 2 years)

THE RENT A ROOM TRAP

Borrower had rental income of $3,000 a month from renting out the bedrooms in his large San Francisco home, also claiming it on his tax return (can't count income from "boarders" )

THE NEW JOB WITH BONUS TRAP

Borrower has new job in California with major corporation and 6 figure income. Bonus for this job is paid once a year and has averaged 40% of the base salary for the 10 previous years in this position (Borrower must have earned bonus in his previous job for new bonus to count...bank doesn't care about the bonus potential of the position)

THE INVESTOR TRAP

Borrower has purchased 7 income properties that are breaking even. Bank automatically imposes a 25% "vacancy factor" which means if 7 properties bring in $14,000, borrower is immediately $3500 negative (on paper). The $3500 is counted against his income from his regular job rendering him unable to qualify.

WHY WE SHOULDN'T THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATHWATER

In another world, in another life, we solved these situations with STATED INCOME LOANS. I understand the world would like to call these liar loans, and think every person who got one inflated their income. But here's a newsflash: every example above also had attached to it a borrower who is over 40 years old, with an over 700 credit score, and the chances of them NOT making a mortgage payment are just about zilch.

Here's another newsflash: I often stated LESS income than the borrower actually had coming in on my STATED INCOME LOANS because I only stated the minimum to qualify, not the ACTUAL earnings.

I say there is a legitimate place in this world for stated income loans to highly qualified buyers. Perhaps the lending world should stop lumping these borrowers with the drug store clerk that claimed to be making $10,000 a month and had a 598 credit score. 

Bring back stated income loans.

 

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65 Comments on Bring Back The Stated Income Loan

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If the stated income loan is backed up with some money down and good credit them maybe we could change its other name from the Pinochio loan
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Well, the pendulum has swung and we'll just have to wait for it to make it's way back.
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LOL, Charlie, I have never heard that. Maybe I should put of picture of Pinochio on this post. Oh wait, the point of the post is they are NOT liar loans when used properly. Lenders have the ablility to sort the good from the bad in many different ways, starting with only taking those with high credit scores and excellent asset.s
10:56am • #3
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NOJ: This waiting game is costing some very good buyers the ability to buy houses and begin pulling us out of this slow market. Talk about over compensating!
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As one of the self-employment trap buyers myself, I hear you.  I'm now stuck in one that I would have qualified to refi out of in previous years.  I would like to sell it and get into something smaller, but not even sure they'll qualify me for that!  Good ole self-employment. 

 I definitely agree that this needs to come back for some borrowers.  Not for the crazy under  600 score folks with twenty collections and a bankruptcy.  But for us normal folks who just wanna pay a mortgage!

11:14am • #5
This is great info.  Thanks for the quaility post.
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Sheree: Thanks for your agreement with this. It is applicable to those of us who are on commission and I find SO MANY people have no idea that it takes 2 years for any of your self employment income to count!

This is STILL true even with a stated income loan. I should have made this clear in my post, and think I will go back and edit. The stategy here would be if you do switch to a commissioned position, or go self employed, continue on with you W-2 job for a couple of years if you can.

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Hi Brad: Thank for stopping by and commenting.
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Amen Janet.  Funny, I was and am going to write a Blog soon on Bank Statement Programs in lieu of Stated Income being an almost non-existent option these days. 
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J-Sar: When one door closes another one opens? Didn't the Reverend Mother say that in The Sound of Music?

I sure wish that door would open again. It happens to be the door that most of my clients entered to get a mortgage. Now the door just hits them in the butt as they leave without financing.

Will look forward to your post as I always do, my friend.

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Janet,  I agree with you on Stated Income.  I've used it several times to purchase properties.  But you added one thing that qualifies it all "and being used properly.'  Therein lies the issue of why it was taken away in the first place.  Believe me, I would love to see its return.
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Janet, I completely agree. I am a self employed one man S Corp that "lives" out of his business.  Without stated income I'm dead in the water!!! Of course I can always try to do the "bank account" thing but I believe they only qualify about 50% of my income that way. Soooooooo........I either have to figure out a different way to pay myself or wait until things change.
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Couldn't agree more with the "used properly" statement." Imagine how long the stated income loans lasted while they were jokingly reffered to as "LIAR LOANS" within our industy. It's stunning that we went from 60 to ZERO in less than 2.2 seconds on this doc type. Never really liked them and very seldom used them. However, there is a client that they are meant for. Lets say a Self Employed borrower, 700+ FICO with abundant assets. Unfortunatly, Pennsylavania is going the way of Minnesota in outlawing this doc type. I bet they didn't call them to ask how its going. Aren't our elected officials wonderfull. Experts on EVERYTHING!!!

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Scott, you are simply a master at commenting. I am going to subscribe to your blog. Boy, would I love to have a glass of wine with you and some giggles about our crazy industry.

I'm not sure why you didn't "like" stated income loans. Please fill me in on that one.

What I don't understand is why outlaw it? Just place the proper restrictions on the loan to guard against misuse.

Those that are making the laws to outlaw stated income are not being hurt. They are the fat cats that live off of our tax dollars and couldn't even survive if they were self employed.

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BB: I feel your pain. Our auto leasing company is an S corp and as you know the whole gig is to end up making no money (that you would need to pay tax on).

We always qualified for loans before stated income, but it was a pain in the butt, as most underwriters are clueless about people who own their own businesses.

But now....what is to become of all the people who for one reason or another just can't qualify?

I never thought I would see the day when people with over 700 credit scores could not get a loan EVEN when they have assets and make plenty of money. What is wrong with this picture?

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Marc....me too. The number of loan options that are becoming extinct is alarming. Our boss keeps saying this "Talk to your clients about a sense of urgency."
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OMG! I had no idea that so many sources of income didn't count. This situation just goes from bad to worse. 
10:12pm • #17
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Maybe a year from now people will begin to figure it out. Maybe we could use the socail security surplus to get a much better return that we are now getting. Too bad we are spending it all anyway. Great blog.

Maybe I will see you in the next bloging class. 

 

10:48pm • #18
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Great piece, Janet. and a very cool resource. I'm not sure how helpful that can be, but THE NEW JOB WITH BONUS TRAPhas way out of it. Usually major corporations sign contract with employees, especially ones making six-figure incomes. If the contracts would include a bonus close with a monitory reference or percentage to salary, lender would usually takes it. As a matter of fact (especially in respect to major corporations) if I would have any kind of written reference to the bonus in the form of letter from human resources or management, banks would accept it. At least, I never had problems with that.

1:20pm • #19

People get so used to one scenario such as real estate contracts being written a certain way for a certain period of time, banks accepting certain criteria, appraisals coming in fine and then BOOM, the market crashes.  Contracts are then looked at differently, banks and lending cracks down, appraisals are hard to come by.  So what do we do????

We make lemonade out of lemons.  We find a way, go with it and pretty soon it is not quite so hard.  Things change for a reason and changes can be good.

I am not just commenting on your article, Janet.  I am commenting somewhat on some of the other comments.  I do agree with bringing back stated income. 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Roxanne, my budding AR blogger. Thanks for catching me up on my favorite place today. I see our ActiveRain conversation got you going once you got back to the office. Onwards to Localism where we will will shortly rule the roost per the strategy we hatched today. The competition better just give up right now. LOL
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Okay Roman, please let me know what lenders? The rule with my lenders is the bonus must be paid for it to count. I am serious....if you know the lender please let me know. Client is ready to cancel his move to California.
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Thank-you so much for lunch.  I am trying to put a listing on.  I think I just go on the blog section to begin with.  Yes, we will rule the roost!!!
7:40pm • #23
I'm tired of stated income loans getting blamed for the mortgage crisis.  We self-employed people did not single-handedly cause the problems we are facing now but we are the ones being punished the most. 
8:39pm • #24
Its going to be awhile until the stated income loan returns if it ever does.  I'm finding it very difficult to find a loan right now for investment property.
8:54pm • #25
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Brian, you need to have Jane Guilbault as your lender then.  If anyone can put it together, she can.  She has completed many loans for my clients.  They have all been very pleased.
Roxanne Schilling
11:22am • #26
Rhonda, the crisis was definitely a combination of a number of circumstances.  I think most people realize it but they don't want to admit it.  It had to do with greed and uneducated consumers along with prices being so sky high.
Roxanne Schilling, Realtor at Lake Tulloch
11:48am • #27
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I think stated income loans are fine now.  the LTV's are reduced to 80% and the rates are commenseaurate with the risk
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Thank you for sharing n such a timely topic of interest to all.
8:48am • #29

Great post!  I have also had issues where the investor deems capital gains income unacceptable, even when the Borrower had plenty of liquid assets and more Real Estate to sell.

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As usual, the solution comes with many problems.  There are going to be many good viable self employed folks kept from homeownership.
4:52pm • #31
Stated loans are tough to analyse for risk.....Not only has the stated loans changed but the full doc loans have changed too.  So all that is happening is that we are suffering from the previous bad loans that made it through from a couple of years ago.  Stated income is more risky than full doc and banks are a little gun shy on loaning period.   Bank Statement programs are a solution or to re-file with the corrected 1040 if they have plenty of Assets then file for more income and pay the taxes on the extra income.  I have had to do that in the past too.......  Great post........
11:40pm • #32
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Frank: I would love to see you write a post about people re-filing their taxes to show extra income....I find that very interesting. If one of your clients has done this as a solution to get a mortgage, please write about this. I don't think I have ever seen anyone post about this.

Please make sure to e-mail me if you do. I am doing mortgage pro week in review and would love to inclue this innovative idea. Thank you for a great comment.

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Brian: I do not disagree with you very often, but this is one time I will. Stated loans are NOT fine now in my opinion. I cannot get an 80% LTV on larger loans with stated as a combo. Wachovia, just about the only program out there for a million dollar stated loan yesterday lowered their LTV to 70%.

 

8:56am • #34

Janet, this is off the subject, but Roger said he listened to a program that talked about averaging your income to file your taxes.  I am not sure how many years you could use for the average.  The advantage would be instead of paying so much in taxes one year and hardly anything another year.  Have you heard of that before?

by Roxanne Schiling, Realtor 

 

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Another great blog on your behalf Janet. Stated income loans would be great fro self employed or highly qualified borrowers but unfortunately they will be eliminated altogether in the next few months. Banks don't want to lend money, full income documentation for all real estate financing is the norm for the next few months. FHA requires full income documentation unless its a streamline refinance.

I feel your pain Janet but there is nothing we can do. 

Eddy

3:15pm • #36
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Janet--- I can still get them done at 90% and here is how.  You have to forget everything you know about stated income loans. 

You have to tell the story of why the overall income stated on loan is "reasonable."  

This will be easy for you and more difficult for others because of your communicative talents.  This will separate you as a loan consultant as well.

I am suggesting you go into full-blown Geraldo Rivera-interview mode at the point of application.  

It sounds silly but I am serious.  

For example, I just completed one for a self-employed (4 years) doctor.  He stated $44,000 per month with $270,000 in assets.  A year ago that was enough.   Not even close today.

I went Rivera on him.  I asked him his specialty (pulemology).  I asked him about his competition (there is only one other pulmenologist within 60 miles).  I asked him about his practice (Its 7,000 sq. ft, he has 15 employees and 2 doctors working for him).    I asked him about his cars and other assets (he owns a boat as well as a nice car).   I asked him about his business accounts, even though I can't use them in the loan,  they tell the story about his income (he has over $400,000 in his business acccounts).

I asked him about his experience before he was self-employed (he was the top pulmenolist in the area).

I asked him how many patients he sees in an average week and how much the average treatment he bills is (I don't want to disclose that here).   

THEN, I took all of this information, I wrote it in short, essay form.  I emailed it to the Doctor and asked him to attest the validity of the prose, which he did.    I signed the letter as the interviewer, he as the interviewee.

There is no question that this borrower was being truthful about his income and we did not face a single underwriting question about income on this stated income.

There are still banks who do stated income loans at higher LTV but they have to sell these loans to investors and they have to make sense.  

It's up to us, as loan officers, to truly interview the client, even outside of the questions on the 1003, and make the case for reasonability.

Let me know how it goes!!!

12:46am • #37

The last blog, well that guy going Riveria or whatever, it sounds to me that Doc should be able to give them both personal and business tax returns.  I think all of us have to realize the fact and that is you need to ask for the tax returns upfront and derive the income or the pay check example is to do a written VOE.  so many of us need to read the LP or DU findings, When you have a Self Employed Borrower they might only request  1 yr tax return, so read the findings, again high DTI with alot of assets and a decent down payment it should go through.  Dont be affraid to ask for the items if you need help analyzing income have an UW do it, or your processor, or email me and I'll send you a quick form cdavis@statemortgage.net.  The problem that I have with your post and what all Loan Officers have done is that the Stated Income wasn't supposed to be stated from the Loan Officer it was supposed to be stated from the client!!!   I always did a no ratio loan,

If the New employee is getting a 40% bonus from the Salary have the employer state it is a guarantee bonus. Remember a new Salesman in a new teritory is RISK, regardless, did you run him through at the base income through LP or DU

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Chris: Thanks, this post has been really a wonderful source of information to me, and your comment especially. You are absolutely correct about simply asking for tax returns then deriving the income. I plan to e-mail you for the form, and already am in this groove (but still somewhat weak) Here's why:

Like a lot of mortgage brokers, I was not really trained how to come up with income on a FULL or a STATED loan!!!  Whenever I asked a client to state their income they stated the ridiculous, or simply said, "Well, how much do I need?" I came out of the car business where their version of stated was an automatic approval....meaning...you state the real income but DTI does not matter if score is high enough (other criteria apply, but you get the idea)...Finally I too figured out no ratio as the best solution and went down that path...while it lasted.

Our loan amounts are so high here is San Francisco, coupled with the fact I have many self employed borrowers in my data base (coming out of the auto leasing business) that I actually often stated lower income so as not to freak out the underwriter.

 I did stated loans not to get a higher income, but to save my clients the agony of exposing themselves (and their business) to the scrutiny of a full doc loan. Ironically, banks also offered lower rates for stating the income (on these quality clients) so full doc loans were few and far between.

So I guess I should say guilty as charged. A side note: A comment previous to you actually inspired me to go back and agressively do exactly what you said on the 40% bonus issue..to have company re-do paperwork. Of course, lender then decided they would only loan 70% in our "distressed" county and once again, I have no loan. Ain't it grand?

9:49am • #39
Hey Janet~ You are right. They need to bring back the "Stated Income" option or there will be alot of people like us out there that just can't get a loan.
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Great Post Janet - Calling Stated Income Loans a LIAR's loan is only partially true. When you did a stated income loan for a wage-earner it clear they didn't qualify with their true income. However, there are cases where they earned overtime, commisions, or bonuses that could not be counted because there was not a two year history. We are in California which makes this very important to us. High Equity States and an abundance of Entrepreneurs or self-employed individuals make it difficult to show the income that is generated. We are now given a choice to be smacked by the IRS or Financial Instituitions. That is a choice that I do not want to make. Bank Statements would be one alternative that should creep back in the market. For now we are stuck dealing with it. That is what I like about Portfolio Underwriting because they generally do "Make Sense" loans. However, World now Wachovia, was the best at this and now they have their panties in the same bunch as the others.

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Okay, as everyone on AR already knows, I love Aaron Gordon to pieces. Aaron, THANK YOU so much for that strong and brilliant advice. You are always so right on, so solutions focused, and so willing to help me.

And you took the time in this crazy market to do it. I have read every word several times...and thank you for the vote of confidence. Did my frustration show that much in this post? It wasn't meant as a cry for help, but thank God you took it that way.

The funny thing is, I had just told someone that EVERY loan I do from this point on will have a long and compelling Letter of Explanation. Like you, I had come to this conclusion, but you reinforced it in a way that really kicked me in the butt. We do need to SELL these loans!!!!!!

And doggone it, I do not mind the interview part at all. I have always wished I had lived the life of Barbara Walters. Now, I can! LOL You are a genius, thanks again for the doctor story. It should have been a featured post.

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Matt: Actually I was planning to write a post about Wachovia today...so this is funny that you should mention this. That is the only bank I could find that would do the client I mentioned with the 40% bonus...on their QQ (stated) program. They loved the file, begged for it, then ironically the DTI was short because the client absolutely refused to state one more penny than he actually made with bonus.

 At the suggestions of others, I re-worked his paperwork to have bonus count, then added his wife who is making a little bit of money. I wasn't planning to switch to full doc because DTI was still slightly high....Had to switch to full doc because they have decided our county is declining (we are being penalized for outlying areas near the delta and Stockton...Brentwood, Byron, Antioch, etc)

They say they can't do it by zip codes because that would be redlining.  Panties in a bunch. No kidding

 

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Aaron----------- thats an awesome comment. You are right its important to gather all pertient information to the transaction, it could be the difference between the denial and an approved loan. That essay you wrote for your borrower i just call it a LOE - Letter of Explanation.

Eddy

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Eddy: Long live the LOE. You know it takes 3 trees to process one loan, so what's one more piece of paper?
2:39pm • #46
I have seen some of the BEST clients turned down because they are stated...One of them being a good realtor friend of mine, another a doctor that owns his own practice...sure we got tax returns but seeing as they wrote everything off their income showed less than the local Taco Bell employee and they have never been late on any payments and have great credit scores........No matter if I were to write a Novel to explain everything the underwriter still would not except it because of the tax return showing they made so little and going stated was rejected instantly unless they wanted to put 20% down...hmmm 20% down on a 950k home ....Outcome, they just kept their current house and are trying to ride out this horrible time. The Doctor in this case told me he felt like he was being discriminated against, I agree with him, why is it that we can write loans left and right for a first time homebuyer with no history of paying a mortgage and it is like making gold out of toilet paper when we try to qualify the self employed stated income borrowers with perfect history. On one hand the first time homebuyer can get 100% financing and invest practically nothing and then the self employed person gets to bring in a bunch of money down - Dont buisiness owners who have ran a successsful business for years look better? They have managed their money great so far, right? Okay I am done ranting, Janet this is  a great point and a wonderful blog, Good Luck to you.
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Good for you, Janet!!  There is a place and a need for stated income loans, especially in your area and mine, and it has nothing to do with liars or unscrupulous loan officers.  We do have to fight for these people.

After I wrote this, I thought about posting it but I have heard that a few of my competitors monitor my blog so this one I will keep between us and those who stumble on it.  :)

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Its so interesting to hear all this from the mortgage brokers perspective....You're very eloquent.....obviously more then well versed in your field..........and passionate about provide the best service and loans for your customers.
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Do what, Janet? I'm not sure I heard you correctly. Stated income loans at high loan-to-value ratios have been a big source of abuse by lenders and brokers for the last seven years. This lousy loan has put a large portion of the home buying public in jepoardy of losing their homes. It needs to go; or it needs to be severely restricted. The borrowers who abused this loan are all whining now because the stated income escape hatch that the liar loans and the borrowers who signed for them depended upon, to get out of their soon-to-be adjustable rate loans, isn't going to swing open for them. As a matter of fact, it's locked down. The foreclosure rate is skyrocketing because of it. Not to mention all of the nasty NeGams. REO departments are busier than ever. Two good examples you might have come across are:

1) One spouse has bad credit and the other's is lousy and they certainly won't qualify with both on the loan due to FICO discrepancies and both incomes are required for debt to income ratios, and;
2) Self employed individuals with accountants in sunglasses

On another note, what about builders who sell mortgages instead of homes? An example is a lender that doesn't offer any more Alt A or reduced doc instruments, which constituted the majority of the loans for the builder's buyers. The builder refused to offer closing cost incentives to buyers who didn't use their preferred lender even though the lender can't get them approved. They'd (the stinky builder) toss the sale out rather than let the buyer choose their own lender or seek approval elsewhere. Just wanted your opinion on this one. But now back to the problem:

Lots of irresponsible, feckless, loose, unreliable, happy-go-lucky, freewheeling, devil-may-care debt-management took place by homeowners who leveraged their homes to take cruises and vacations, buy his and her motorcycles and other crud without any planning or strategic advantage for their future. Now they're whining.

Those Stated Income loans were originated mostly for self-employed people, or wage earners who did have the income to make payments, but didn't have the type of income that full doc income borrowers have. .

Good luck with your crusade. Sorry I can't join you. But maybe we'll have coffee one day and chat more about it. :-)

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Hey David: Why would we throw the baby out with the bath water? Yes, I agree there was plenty of abuse. And my readers know that I have written MANY times about the lethal combination that exploded:

100% financing, adjustable rate mortage, stated income loan...add a little bad credit and ka boom! foreclosure waiting to happen.

  There is a place for a stated income loan, but it is not at a high LTV, not to people with poor credit, and not to people who are W2'ed.

Was this used improperly? Yes. Were guidelines too loose? Yes, over the top loose. Did this fuel the meltdown? Yes.

But now lenders have over compenstaed and some pristine borrowers are out there who cannot get financing. The loose guidelines that made these loans dangerous are long gone. It is time for everyone to stop whining, realize what went wrong, and make sure we are never that stupid again.

I would love to have coffee with you! Thanks for your comment.

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I agree, Janet. Coffee's on me, when I can make it to CA, or if you decide to come visit Elvis' house. :-)
2:22pm • #52

Hi Janet,

 

You had mentioned to send the Information for you for a quick training guide that will analyze the Self Employed Borrowers Tax returns both Personal and Business.  I went on your website to get your email as the Form is an Attatchment and in word.  So if you want to e-mail me cdavis@statemortgage.net or just put your email on your website I would be more than happy to share.

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Great post..I am also hoping the same thing since where I have my company situated in a very pricy area and most clients are business owners..
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David: We are not having coffee together this morning, but I am having mine so thought I would share a couple of things with you.

First, your piano playing is brilliant! Do you have a CD? I could listen to that all day and never tire. I love the fact you are an artist.

Second, I was in Memphis the day Elvis died as well. We were living in Greenwood MS then, and picking up my Mom from the airport. I still remember all the touching farewells posted all over Memphis.

Finally, in a very strange twist of fate, my first child was born in Memphis a few years later. No, I wasn't living in Memphis, I was there for a social engagement when daughter made  a suprise appearance 6 weeks early and I was rushed to the closest hospital just in the nick of time. Daughter should have been named Stormy as this happened in the middle of the night, in the middle of a thunderstorm with all of my husband's business associates in a state of utter panic.

I still have a silver "Memphis" on my charm bracelet given to me by my husband's company.

Now I have started our coffee date off and I haven't even discussed real estate. Is this a great start to a friendship or what?

8:52am • #55

Thank you, Janet. I'm honored by your very kind thoughts. Wish I had a cd to send to you. I think there are few floating around out there, but I haven't recorded anything in a long time. I pressed a few cd's of solos and improvisations for friends and family a few years ago.

I had breakfast with Rick Dees and Silky Sullivan before I left for Graceland the day Elvis passed away. Rick was about to leave for his work in Los Angeles and Silky invited me to join them that August 16th morning, along with a student from England that was friend of Silky's. Silky asked me to take the student to Gracleand to show him the house before he returned to London. I ran into Vester Presley, Elvis' uncle, when I arrived at the Graceland gate. I asked Vester to ask Elvis to come out and say hi and Vester told me that Elvis had been playing racquetball and was tired, but that we could hang around for a while. Ginger Alden was there, Elvis' girlfriend. Vester had to go into the house for a second, and when he came back out he appeared frantic and politely told us that we had to leave because he was busy. I left Graceland about ten or fifteen minutes before Joe Esposito or Vester, or someone in house called the ambulance, shortly before 2pm. I left Graceland to drive over to Memphis State University. When I arrived on the campus I found out that Elvis had been rushed to the hospital and passed away. I hadn't been away from the house forty-five minutes when all of this happened. I was at the wake for Elvis the next day with Silky. It was held inside the entrance at Graceland. I loved Elvis, although as a kid I listened to Bach, Chopin, big band music like Glenn Miller and the Dorsey Brothers, and George Gershwin mostly.. I always felt great when Elvis was around. He made everyone feel special.

Greenwood is a great town. I have cousins in Greenwood, as well as Greenville and Sunflower. My mother was raised in Sunflower, outside of Indianola. I was in Greenwood recently for a play at the Greenwood Little Theater. My mother's brother supports the theater and had a part in the play, so I drove down there to throw some tomatos at him. :-)

Great story about your daughter. Seems like you got through the storm just fine. You could have named her Tranquility. :-)

It's great to hear that you have the charm. Memphis is a wonderful city, Janet. I'm proud to know you.

On another note, if we could arrange those SI loans enmasse', I wonder if whether or not some of the lenders would drink the bathwater and then dry the baby off? :-)

11:16am • #56
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Sorry I forgot to log in and sign my post, Janet. Silly me ! Hope your having a great day.
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Great story...you should post this.

Okay one last thing to tell you. Everyone in my office considers this hilarious. It is my college diploma from Delta State Unviversity...Cleveland MS.

Californians are very snobby with Stanford and UC Berekely being right here in the Bay Area. They always laugh and ask how I liked Ole Miss being stupid enough to think there is only that one university in the whole state of Mississippi. Then break into a fake southern drawl and ask why the hell anyone would leave Calif to go to school in Mississippi.

I loved Mississippi, had a great experience there, could write a novel about it. Still own and love furniture I bought there in junk stores...beautiful things that speak volumes about the elegance and grace associated with being a Southerner.

 They don't understand and that is okay.

1:27pm • #58
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Mississippi is a state which is beautiful and panoramic beyond comprehension. There are graduates from Delta State in my family. My mother's brother graduated from Delta State and became a pharmacist after graduate studies. I have cousins who chose studies in agriculture from that very fine college. Mississippi is a magical state and, once on her soil, you become possessed of a feeling that can't be experienced anyplace else in America because of the warmth and care demonstrated by those who make the state their home, through the music and culture which speaks volumes for the sense of family and loyalty and by the ever present devotion to God expressed by the many, many wonderful congregations that cover the landscape and continue to do His work. Mississippi was sadly stereotyped by Hollywood and unkind writers because of the unjust mar on it's history from the civil rights conflicts in the 1960's by opportunists and outsiders. I never saw those things in the communities I loved and played in when I was a child. I remember family and friendship among all of the people, black and white, and remember those incidents as isolated, trivial, hostile and unnecessary. Incidents which challenged the moral fiber and dignity of a magnificent state and her people unfairly. Times have changed and I challenge anyone to visit Mississippi today and leave there not believing that you've been among angels. What some of the Californians that chide Mississippi may not actually understand is just how innocent and beautiful the landscape actually is; and that's because God is, and always has been, their gardener. The reason why the magnolia tree is so sweet.

4:49pm • #59
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Janet - I just experienced the Investor Trap. It truly is a sad state of affairs out there right now. You've touched on the hot buttons so many of us are facing right now.
10:25pm • #60
MAY
04
2008
The factors mentioned all were sources of high defaults in loan pools, the investors don't want to loan the money with those factors and it is the choice they make with their money. All the mortgage brokers should invest all their cash in MBS (mortgage backed securities) containing these high risk loans then you can see how comfortable you are with lending the money in this manner. We are simply going back to way underwriting used to be and it was that way for a reason, people gamed the system without the checks and balances.
Random Guy
2:23am • #61
JUL
11
2008

Great points.  It seems that there is no middle when it comes to this stuff.. it is either all the way to the left or all the way to the right...   there is no middle ground, and exceptions now are non-existent

8:41am • #62
JUL
29
2008

If your in california sent me the deals i have a stated stated product 90% sisa call me at 818 314 9807

6:12pm • #63
MAR
11

Stated income loans are still available but not like the old SIVA

Select Counties within CA only / $400K-$3MM

3 Yr. 5.750% With 12 Mos. PPP

5 Yr. 7.000% With 18 Mos. PPP

O/O

Purchase 70%

Refinance 65%

Cash-Out 60%

Deduct 5% for N/O/O

Six months of Stated Income in liquid reserves are required. (Non Retirement Accounts)

 

George Grosek

714 435-1187

George Grosek
3:53pm • #64
APR
09

Janet - since I cater to the entertainment industry, stated income loans going the way of the dinasaur is really hurting both my clients and my business.  Most of my borrowers have 800+ scores but they through what's called a "loan out corp".  All their income is paid into their corporation - sometimes in excess of $1 million.  Then they pay themselves next to nothing.  When they want to refinance a $400,000 loan with a 20 ltv, they can't do it.  Don't tell me these guys are less qualified than a shoe clerk putting 3.5% down on an FHA loan.  Ah, what a world we live in . . .  Not surprising the mess we're in when you see the lenders' solution.  And what's this $729K high balance, no, let's make that $625k, no let's change it back to $729k.  Trial and error?  Ok, so it's back to 729k, in (L.A. county among others), the change was passed in Feb, but no lenders are honoring it. 

I think I'll become a shoe salesman so I can refinance.

Jean Gallagher
5:30pm • #65
JUL
25

You had breakfast with "Silky" Sullivan?  That wouldn't be the same Silky who was reigning over the KA house at Memphis State the summer of 1960 would it?  I had just transferred from Lambuth and was living in the house when I got word that instead of fall semester at MSU I would be serving Uncle Sam for the next two years.  If that is the same Silky, please say hello for me.

Don Castleman
3:20pm • #67

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