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Real Estate Professionals How Far Will You Go?

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Today I attended a training about Predatory Lending it was quite interesting and it made me wonder, how far will you go to give a buyer or seller mortgage advice.


Just how far will real estate professionals will go?  Meaning do you try to get them a better deal or step in and refer them to other lenders if they can't get approved? 

Do you question good faith estimates?  How far into the mortgage process do you go through?  How involved are you in the loan process? Do you quote rates?  How about their compensation?  Do you question it?

For me I do look at the good faith estimate for accuracy.  No I do not try to step in for them to change companies and when they don't get approved I hand them two companies cards.  No quoting rates for me ever! 

Nope won't even look at their compensation...I don't want them making eye contact with my mine!  My job is real estate and I try to stick with it! 

How far will you go?  

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Ray Nellum
Envision Real Estate Group, LLC. - Fort Smith, AR
Fort Smith Real Estate
Midori, it's all about the TRUTH with me.  I would rather them get the best deal and call me to sell their home because they are buying more.  Then to call me in 1 years because they can't afford the home. 
Apr 24, 2008 02:58 PM
Audrey June-Forshey
RE/MAX Realty Services - Darnestown, MD
GRI, Gaithersburg, MD
Midori, When I meet with my buyers I do a good faith estimate for my buyers.  They have to sign it and it becomes part of the contract in my office.  They know I am not quoting rates, we use an average rate and I tell them that they have to confirm and lock in with their lenders.  However, I want my buyers to know how much money is needed for settlement and that they are clear about what is going on and what the items ARE on the GFE.  I find that many lenders speak lingo to the clients.  I do not negotiate or talk about the lender's compensation. But if someone brings me a GFE that looks like predatory lending is going on, you bet I am saying something. In MD, we work under a fiduciary relationship I have to do what is in their best interest and protect them through the transaction.
Apr 24, 2008 03:08 PM
Jon Boyd
Home Buyer's Agent of Ann Arbor - Ann Arbor, MI
Ann Arbor Real Estate Buyers Agent

 

Midori,

As an exclusive buyer's agent office we do help buyers shop and negotiate mortgages.

It does take training and it does make a few of the local lenders uncomfortable, but we've done it for 15 years now and save our buyers hundreds of thousands of dollars. (And a whole lot of frustration!)

Like Lola mentioned we've seen some amazingly bad loans that the home buyers were willing to take because they didn't know any different.

 

For a few years we even had a class for buyers "All About Mortgages".  

Apr 24, 2008 03:08 PM
Lisa Hill
Florida Property Experts - Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Real Estate
I question everything. What can I say? I'm suspicious of pretty much everything. An agent I used to work with always told me I was really from New York but I just didn't know it. LOL I'm from right here and she's from New York. I guess I reminded her of home =P
Apr 24, 2008 03:40 PM
John MacArthur
Century 21 Redwood - Washington, DC
Licensed Maryland/DC Realtor, Metro DC Homes
Midori - I am not a lender. I advise clients to get pre-approved with the lender that will respond the quickest when we need a letter for an offer. I then advise them that they do not have to make a final decision on any lender until they are at the settlement table. I suggest that they take the good faith estimate and shop it with other lenders. Yes, I do point out that the source of the funds is probably the same place and most lenders are working with similar guidelines. I also point out that the other lenders will almost always offer a better deal than the first one they received. It is the nature of a competitive market. I always encourgage them to return to the first lender and let them see if they can re-work what they offered to match subsequent offers. Then I tell them the go with whomever they are most comfortable with as long as I can substantiate that they will arrive with funding at closing.
Apr 24, 2008 04:11 PM
Susie Blackmon
Ocala, FL
Ocala, Horses, Western Wear, Horse Farms, Marketing

Leave the lending advice to the lenders.  


Apr 24, 2008 10:03 PM
Missy Caulk
Missy Caulk TEAM - Ann Arbor, MI
Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate
Good question, Midori. I know it is legal and some agents originate loans, but I like to keep it separate. I have a great lender and if she says they are golden, they are. I don't stage houses either, I leave that to the stagers, I list and market homes. The end.
Apr 24, 2008 10:47 PM
Neal Bloom
Brokered by eXp Realty LLC - Weston, FL
Realtor CRS-Weston FL Real Estate
I try to stay away from that side if I can...when the buyers agent calls me asking me to step in because they can't get anywhere then I cringe before that happens. The buyers agent should be strong enough to get the lender to follow the contract...but it seems that they never read the RE contract and work at their speed. I have a deal right now where I have asked for proof of funds 5 times...where dos it say the MB is deciding when and if we should be receiving it? Commitment letters are also over due on a regular basis and shouldn't be promised if they can't meet a deadline. Also buyers should be advised that if they change lenders in the middle of a contract ...they are playing with fire if deadlines aren't met.
Apr 24, 2008 11:37 PM
Midori Miller
Talk 2 Midori, LLC - Daytona Beach, FL
Online Marketing For Real Estate Professionals
Hi Lola-I have never ran into that...in the early days of my career I worked as single agency....truly representing the buyer.  I built relationships so I knew who these people were working with.  You definitely bring up valid points but I think much of the predatory lending has stopped.  I was once a licensed Mortgage Broker and hated every single moment of it.  I pick and choose my words carefully today and only do basic mortgage info. 
Apr 25, 2008 02:56 AM
Midori Miller
Talk 2 Midori, LLC - Daytona Beach, FL
Online Marketing For Real Estate Professionals
Lane-I have to agree with you..its definitely a big decision to say whether a loan officer is good or bad!  I aint going there. I too share basic mortgage info...because my speciality is real estate and not financing.
Apr 25, 2008 02:57 AM
Midori Miller
Talk 2 Midori, LLC - Daytona Beach, FL
Online Marketing For Real Estate Professionals
Ken-I agree...even as a loan officer I would not quote rates, why would a real estate professional do so I can't understand.  For me its really important to build relationships with reputable people and let the consumer make their decisions.
Apr 25, 2008 02:58 AM
Midori Miller
Talk 2 Midori, LLC - Daytona Beach, FL
Online Marketing For Real Estate Professionals
Ann-I would never want a loan officer eyeballing my compensation..its respect...you treat the customer right and do the right thing...and connect with the right affiliates...it won't be much of a worry!
Apr 25, 2008 03:00 AM
Midori Miller
Talk 2 Midori, LLC - Daytona Beach, FL
Online Marketing For Real Estate Professionals
Ray-Truth always I agree BUT at what point do you stop or start in regards to mortgage advice?  I am just curious and wondering if we aren't hurting ourselves slightly by our opinions...unbiased statements and the fact some send buyers to their mortgage companies even after they have been approved elsewhere.These are the things I am interested in.
Apr 25, 2008 03:02 AM
Midori Miller
Talk 2 Midori, LLC - Daytona Beach, FL
Online Marketing For Real Estate Professionals
Audrey-yes your state is very different from ours...we work as transaction brokers and sometimes advice or comments may be construed as implying agency and I can tell you it happens frequently in Florida.
Apr 25, 2008 03:04 AM
Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman
Liberty Homes - Mililani, HI
(RA) AHWD CRS ePRO OAHU HAWAII REAL ESTATE

Grr....towards the end of last year an agent received an offer. The cover letter from the agent said....the loan officer told me how to write the contract. WAY over list price with gift back from seller????  Oops.

Apr 25, 2008 04:30 AM
Utah Dave
UtahDave.com Neighborhood Experts - South Jordan, UT
Homes for Sale - Utah
That is a great question and a fine line.  I love your blog by the way!  Looks great!   I always try to get them the best deal.  Meaning....if their loan doesnt look good...im going to give them another name.
Apr 25, 2008 04:35 AM
Geoff Scowcroft
Coldwell Banker - Studio City, CA

While I'm not a mortgage broker, tax accountant, home inspector, etc. I try and give my clients a sanity check on issues they that may bring up. As an advisor to my client, I feel that it is important that I bring up topics that they may want to discuss with their mortgage broker, accountant, tax advisor, etc. Our clients oftentimes don't know the questions to ask (or that there is an issue they should be concerned with).

Apr 25, 2008 04:41 AM
Anonymous
Bruce
I thinks it's good for borrowers to shop around if they feel they are being taken advantage of.  However, buyers and agents should keep in mind that lenders do not control appraisal fees, title fees, pre-paid interest, escrows, homeowners insurance, city and state taxes, survey costs, etc.... 
Apr 25, 2008 04:43 AM
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Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County
I am pretty comfortable with the lenders most of my clients use. There are some "mortgage pros" I will keep an eye on...
Apr 25, 2008 04:56 AM
Monika McGillicuddy
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Verani Realty - Hampstead, NH
Southern NH & the Seacoast Area
I handle it the same way you do. I look at the numbers, talk to them about them but defer to the expert. If I feel  they are being taken to the cleaners I suggest that they question the numbers and talk to another lenders.
Apr 26, 2008 01:50 AM