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absurd  ridiculous 

If it wasn't so sad I'd die laughing. I also kept on thinking that the article must be satirical, but it's not.

CNNMoney.com staff writer Les Christie recently wrote an article entitled "Good credit can't protect borrowers from bad loans." Maybe the real issue is can borrowers protect themselves from, well themselves.

Listen to this;

"Many now troubled borrowers had excellent credit when they got their mortgages. But they took out loans that they couldn't afford to buy homes that were too expensive."

Why would they do that?

Let's see, the house costs too much, and I can't afford the payments, allright where do I sign?

Next;

"Credit scores alone are no guarantee that borrowers will be able to keep up with their payments."

I can't disagree with this, because I think:

Sufficient income might help!

The article further states that 20% of "subprime" borrowers with scores between 840 and 900 were 60 days or more deliquent. I've been a lender since long before we've had credit scores and I've never seen a 840. Also if they had an 840 why would they get a subprime loan. It further states that the default rate was roughly equal to those with scores in the 540 to 599 range. It seems that the writer is stating that the higher scores were as likely to default as the lower scores.

I'm not buying it!

The writer quotes author Richard Bitner, "Greed, Fraud & Ignorance: A Subprime Insider's Look at the Mortgage Collapse," as saying that the problem was that underwriters didn't consider other items such as income and debt. I mean why should they bother with such trivial items. Even if they didn't the borrower sure should have.

Okay, so borrowers who had previously made good financial choices, and had good scores because of it, made some extremely bad decisions in regards to purchasing a home. They had a real good idea that they could or couldn't afford the home. They had a responsibility to read the documents or inquire as to why some of the programs seemed to be such a good deal.

I agree good credit alone cannot protect a borrower from anything, only the borrower can do that by making those good decisions, which they had made in the past, to develop that good score.

As for the 840 to 900 scores, I don't know how that default ratio was developed and frankly I find it hard to believe. Aren't these scores confidential?

I must say that out of all the articles I have read about the mortgage dilemma I find this one to be;

Truly Absurd! 

 

 
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9 Comments on TRULY ABSURD!!!

Jay, repaying the loan was never the issue - that's what adds to what you call "absurd." People were only counting on living in their home long enough to flip it for a good profit and move on - they wern't interested in the payments - they saw this as a never-ending goodtime.

04/28/2008 11:22 AM by Steve Hoffacker - Real Estate Sales & Marketing Consulting and Strategies (Hoffacker Associates)


Thanks for the post, Jay.  It is amazing the information that is reported by supposed "professionals".

04/28/2008 11:28 AM by The Entire Team of Price & Company Professionals (Price & Company Realty)


Good post Jay.  I agree, if the borrowers had such a high score what in the world were they doing getting a sub prime loan?   A lot of people bought their homes with nothing down, and a very low intial interest rate so thier payment was probably close to what they would pay for rent. Then the rate goes up they decide they can't (or dont want to) make the payment, stop paying for a few months then get foreclosed on.  So what are they out?  Lots of people out there are figuring out how to work the system.

04/28/2008 11:30 AM by Jim Patton - Realtor - Turlock California Real Estate (Century 21 M&M - Turlock California)


In today's press, anything that isn't 30 yr fixed conventional is apparently "sub-prime".    I'd rather see a report on how many of these 840 midscore "subprime" borrowers were following rates down with refi's every 20 months, or upgraded because of the double digit appreciation, or both.  This isn't a case of bad things happening to good people.  The "rewards" are just catching up to the "risks" that were ssociated with many of the hybrid loans that were available.   The first place they should point blame is the mirror.

04/28/2008 11:31 AM by Marko Vucurevic (VanDyk Mortgage)


How about some "personal responsibility."  It drives me nuts that people are allowed to not take responsibilty for their own idiocy and greed.  Oh, right...I forgot...It's always the brokers fault!  Reminds me of the movie, Shawshank Redemption.  They were going around asking "What are you in for?"  and the standard response was, "I'm innocent, the lawyer F-d me."

04/28/2008 11:44 AM by Rich Sweum (Homestead Mortgage)


Steve,

it's like musical chairs, when the music stopped there weren't any buyers left.

Christopher,

i have a hard time understanding why some of these articles get published.

Jim,

they're too nearsighted, that system may just bite them real bad, some day.

Marko,

i agree that the writers classify all non 30 year fixed as subprime. don't they feel some responsibility to educate themselves on the topics that they write about?

Rich,

i'm innocent i got caught in the "subprime" meltdown. you know, wink, wink!

jay

 

04/28/2008 01:05 PM by Jay Beckingham (Allied Home Mortgage Capital Corp.)


I wish they'd start writing about solutions....maybe by process of elimination a good one would rise to the top!

04/28/2008 09:09 PM by Joan Mirantz- Concord New Hampshire Realtor (Keeler Family Realtors)


Joan,

the solutions are already taking place, it's going to take some time though.

jay 

04/29/2008 06:13 AM by Jay Beckingham (Allied Home Mortgage Capital Corp.)


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