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Are Short Sales Like Snake Oil? You Decide!

By
Real Estate Agent with The HBH Group (Keller Williams affiliate)

 Well the short answer is...  complex.  In either case, you are going to suffer a 200-300 point loss in your FICO score that will likely not be regained for 3-5 years after either of these finds its way to your credit history.  Here is why:

  1. Lenders see both events as equally negative on your creditworthiness in the future.
  2. Either event is seen as the unsuccessful completion of a loan agreement, in other words you are not trustworthy to complete agreements that you sign up for.

So the net effect of either event on your credit is the same.  Many "advisors" in the marketplace will say that somehow a short sale can be recovered from more quickly than a foreclosure, but most lenders would disagree.  You are probably in for a 3-5 year wait before your credit scores and history will enable you to purchase another home with interest rates that are anywhere near reasonable.  There are some other important things to consider about short sales.  These include:

  1. If you sell short of the amount owed on your home, the IRS may declare this "income" to you which you will have to pay taxes on in the year you sell.  So if you owe $100,000 on your home and you sell it for $80,000 net to the bank, the IRS says that you owe taxes at your tax rates on an additional $20,000 in income for that year.  Ouch!  With most people in a 28% tax bracket you could owe and additional $5,600 in taxes by the next April 15th.
  2. The lender may file a deficiency judgement against you as well, particularly if you had hard money loans or home equity loans against the home at the time of short sale.  In other words, you may still have to return that $20,000 back to the lender if they sue you for it in court!  If this is the case for you, you should consult a real estate attorney to see if this could happen to you in a short sale situation.  In the case of foreclosure, all liens against the property are usually wiped out as a result of the foreclosure and although a lender can file civil suit against you for losses, that is a rare occurrance in most states according to the attorneys that speak out on such matters.

Unfortunately, short sales have been sold as an easy way out of a foreclosure situation when they really are not.  There are some fiery darts lurking in the future of those who sell short and the potential financial impact on your future will still be murky following the short sale!  

A word to the wise here is if you are in danger of default on your home loan, proceed cautiously.  Make sure you know the answers to all the questions raised above before you make the decision to sell short over going into foreclosure.

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Barbara Kehl
Barbara Kehl Realty - Yuma, AZ
Yuma Arizona Real Estate

Steve,

Thank you for answering so many frequently asked questions on short sales.  With so many unfortunate forclosures, more and more people are assuming that the short sale will be their salvation.  I will be sharing this information with the agents in my office.

Have a wonderful day.

Nyana Poradek,

Office Manager

Barbara Kehl Realty

Apr 30, 2008 11:23 AM
Steve Homer
The HBH Group (Keller Williams affiliate) - Round Rock, TX
You are welcome!  Honestly if more sellers were well informed about the dangers of short sales, they might make other choices.  I felt it was the proper thing to do to shed a bit of light on the subject...  Hopefully this will get some views on Localism!
Apr 30, 2008 02:53 PM
Anonymous
Anonymous

Sounds like a short sale is NOT the way to go for everyone. It's a mess anyway you look at it.

Jun 05, 2008 02:12 AM
#3
Eric Reid
Renaissance Realty Group of Keller Williams Atlanta Partners - Lawrenceville, GA

Hate to say, but I have spoken to lenders and a consumer credit counselor and they say

1.) Short Sale will be viewed as an event and not a pattern

2.) Foreclosures show lenders that the barrow made no effort to work with the lender.

3.) credit scores are only effected based on the number of times the barrow was "late" ,, a barrow can not be both late and in default

4.) If all other credit is maintained .. over time the impact of the short sale lates is reduced.

other information was shared .. but all things being equal... pick a short sale before a foreclosure.. why no possible default judgment with a short sale.. so when it is one it is OVER.. with a foreclosure is could go on forever.

 

Jun 05, 2008 02:54 PM
Steve Homer
The HBH Group (Keller Williams affiliate) - Round Rock, TX

Eric:  I can see that I've hit a raw nerve in this writing and I sincerely thank you for your input; however, my research has proved the results to be different than your assessment.  We will never again see the looseness in the lending industry that has been present for the past five years, just as we will never see the day trading in dot com stocks that the late 90's was filled with.  It will be more difficult in the future to get a mortgage.  I am sure you will not argue that point.  That said, I believe strongly that not informing a seller of the potential financial plight on all sides of foreclosure AND short sale is a dereliction of my fiduciary duty to my client.  I will not direct them towards a course of action as an end-all, fix-all when there are more severe ramifications than many agents understand.  Further, when I stand to make a profit in a short sale, and NOT in a foreclosure, that could seriously call my ethical position into question.  I have done a few short sales, but my sellers have been well informed by myself, credit advisors and legal counsel before they made the choice to move forward on the short sale.  I am afraid that is not the case in many situations today however and that is the reason why I stand by this post.

Jun 05, 2008 04:05 PM
Eric Reid
Renaissance Realty Group of Keller Williams Atlanta Partners - Lawrenceville, GA

Tim will tell how  this will all wash out. My clients are advised to speak to all available source for today I will continue to be of service where I am asked .

Jun 06, 2008 12:49 PM
Josh Holt
RE/MAX Coast To Coast~ Dedicated to You! - Berwick, ME
Southern Maine and NH Real Estate - Your Source of Info on the Berwicks

Steve-

Some interesting points. How many short sales have you personally been involved with?

Josh

Jun 08, 2008 09:36 AM
Steve Homer
The HBH Group (Keller Williams affiliate) - Round Rock, TX

Josh:  Not many because when I explain all the ins and outs to seller clients, they often choose not to sell short.  And many that do I refer to other agents in my office that specialize in short sales.  As I mentioned in this post, I am afraid that many agents sell this choice of action as something more than it really is because they have not really done their homework as to the financial impact that a short sale will make on their sellers.  

My purpose in this post was to enlighten some of those agents so that they can be empowered to advise their clients better...  and to hopefully avoid some of the inevitable legal actions that I see coming against agents who don't.  Please do not take this as a threatening post or position against anyone...  Just an ounce of prevention.  I work with foreclosures every day and know contacts in loss mitigation all over the country.  I could easily choose to get into the short sale business but I have just chosen not to be involved because I do not see this as an easy way out - It isn't! 

The truth of the matter is that many people nowdays do not see a promise as a promise.  When they sign a Deed of Trust - it is a no pay, no stay agreement with the lien holder.  There are no easy ways out if you break that agreement.  There will be pain and it is bad from the Short Sale side AND the Foreclosure side.  I just want to make sure that the people in this position are getting that message clearly from their agents.  It takes character to do the right thing!  Let's show that we have good character to the public at large and also allow this to reflect well on our industry.monstera

Jun 08, 2008 02:16 PM
Josh Holt
RE/MAX Coast To Coast~ Dedicated to You! - Berwick, ME
Southern Maine and NH Real Estate - Your Source of Info on the Berwicks

Steve-

I think the post was well written, and do not take the post as threating or likewise. I agree that short sales are not the "easy" way out of a foreclosure, and that people should be very cautious when taking out a mortgage, and their decision/ability to repay or not repay.

My thoughts that differ from yours are that your facts aren't correct- at least in the 15 or so short sales I have done in the last three years. I believe all but one of mine signed a letter saying that their obligation was over= the bank by accepting the payment was in essence waiving their right to deficiency- according to the closing lawyers. With the debt forgiveness act (quoted above my comment now), one of your other points is totally negated.

I have also been told by a very reputable mortgage company, that as soon as two years after a short sale, as long as the short wasn't on an FHA loan, a person can use the FHA program to buy another home. This compares to 4+ years with a foreclosure on their record.  

I agree that borrowers, practioners and others should not look at short sales as a "cool" thing to do, or just slam people into them. But I do think that home owners should carefully look at them if the time comes when they are behind on their payments. The bottom line is the borrower made a commitment to someone and they need to find a way to live up to it... If a short sale is the best way for them to do it, they need to do it.

All the more reason why you need a qualified, competent, and experienced professional to help guide you throughout the process.

 

Jun 09, 2008 03:36 AM
Steve Homer
The HBH Group (Keller Williams affiliate) - Round Rock, TX

Good response Josh and we can agree to disagree.  And I will continue to refer out short sales to those who choose to do them.  I certainly respect your right to do so and I suspect that since we both have sources that are saying different things the answers will pan out somewhere in the middle.  I am glad that your clients have received the "get out of debt free" cards that you mention and I think that this is a valid thing for others to know as well that why should request something similar for their sellers as protection.  In the few that I have done, there have been no such statements given to the sellers and I checked with a short sale specialist in my office.  She told me that only about 50% of the deals she has done have come with similar paperwork from the lender.  We should all be pushing for this for our sellers in short sales.

The last item which you do not address is the credit score issue.  This is also in question and you can hear various answers from MANY sources as to the true impact on credit score.  The banks are motivated to give a short sale option over the foreclosure route due to sheer cost; however, we all know that underwriting requirements have tightened DRASTICALLY in the past 2-4 months.  That trend WILL continue, I can almost guarantee it.  I just read a fascinating post on AR from Steve Harless on the fallout from the foreclosure crisis.  It is being forecast that the ARM's that will adjust later this year will cause a snowball of additional foreclosures this year.  Credit score minimums will continue to increase on active lending programs and I suspect we should be VERY careful about spreading the two year numbers around for re-qual for a mortgage.  I believe this is process is going to be much more difficult than we think.  We will probably never get back to the free-wheeling lender days of two years ago.  Government regulations will start kicking in as well soon and the requirements to qualify will only get tougher from here on out.

So in retrospect, my point has been that short sales and foreclosures are a sticky wicket.  There is no easy out and agents should be careful about positioning these as a quick and easy release from obligations - they aren't.  Most of us who have beenknow this and the intent of this post was to get us talking about the bigger issues.  The post has done that for sure and I appreciate all your input.

Jun 09, 2008 04:28 AM
Josh Holt
RE/MAX Coast To Coast~ Dedicated to You! - Berwick, ME
Southern Maine and NH Real Estate - Your Source of Info on the Berwicks

Steve-

I too agree that agents should be hesitant in recommending them to clients, and that borrowers weigh their options before choosing one. But in a lot of circumstances  I am seeing, I believe it is prudent for people to undertake a shortsale.

The thing to remember about credit scores and the way credit is scored, is that the models change. And so do the goal posts. I've seen people come out of BK with over a 680, two months after. But I don't fully understand them, who really does? And what do lenders see as more severe and would damage your score more; having lates of 120+ on your mortgage for 9 months (the foreclosure process in Maine takes about 9 months after you are 90+ days late) and a foreclosure, or a 90+ (or none at all) and a short sale? I'm not sure, but I'm guessing the later.

Good discussion Steve, I have enjoyed it.

j

Jun 09, 2008 11:35 AM
Steve Homer
The HBH Group (Keller Williams affiliate) - Round Rock, TX

Another issue to keep in mind is bank motivation.  At the current time they are going to say to ANYONE that will listen that they would rather do a short sale and they will try to paint a somewhat more rosy picture, but let's think about their motivations.  Short sales cost them MUCH less than a foreclosure.  Sure they want the seller to do the short sale - it is better for them.  Are they motivated to tell the seller that things will be good for the seller to buy again in two years.

Let's think about that for a minute though.  Lenders sell their paper in the secondary markets to replenish their cash.  The secondary market has become VERY restrictive due to all the foreclosure activity and more to come.  Do we really think that sub-prime lending is coming back anytime soon, if ever.  If the top 25% of borrowers have no short sales, foreclosures, bankruptcies, etc. on their records they will get front of line privleges in the next few years for mortgage dollars.  Again I make the point that we should not be painting a rosy picture of ability to qualify in the future for anyone, particularly those that have credit blemishes of any type!

Jun 10, 2008 02:45 AM
Josh Holt
RE/MAX Coast To Coast~ Dedicated to You! - Berwick, ME
Southern Maine and NH Real Estate - Your Source of Info on the Berwicks

I'm talking FHA. FHA Mortgage loans backed are insured by the government. I would easily loan my money knowing the full faith of the US Gov't is backing it. And I don't think that the guidelines will change for that program anytime soon, especially if BHO gets elected.

I guess I take a little more positive view of the future than you. "Again I make the point that we should not be painting a rosy picture of ability to qualify in the future for anyone, particularly those that have credit blemishes of any type!"

It boils down to, is it going to be easier for you to borrow in the future with a short sale, or a foreclosure on your credit? I think it is a short sale, (unless the short was on a FHA loan, like in my previous comment). I think that this point is validated by the fact you can get a loan today with a short sale two years in the past in some circumstances, and you absolutely can not get a loan with a foreclosure only two years in the past.

Jun 10, 2008 05:01 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous

Steve,   Great post as well on short sales.  Thanks for commenting on my post about short sale FAQ's.  http://activerain.com/blogsview/547287/Orlando-Short-Sale-FAQ

However, I am finding that some people that have gone through a short sale  as short as 18 months ago now have their credit back up to the original pre-short sale score. Keep in mind that the 3 bureaus score based on statistics not someone looking at their score. Therefore, payment history, on-time payments, available credit, etc. all come into play. I have also seen people buy that million dollar dream house for $500k and then walk away from their previous mortgage and home, say for $300k. I know incredible, However, Florida is a Homestead state and as long as you're making payments on your principle residence no on can take it. HHmmm......

Best of Luck

Jun 12, 2008 09:02 AM
#14
Jim Fischetti
The Fischetti Group/Keller Williams - Wake Forest, NC

interesting post

Jun 22, 2008 09:20 AM
Robert L. Brown
www.mrbrownsellsgr.com - Grand Rapids, MI
Grand Rapids Real Estate Bellabay Realty, West Mic

Good information. People think they can short sale their property and the worst is over. Byt the looks of it it  has only just begun.

Jun 22, 2008 01:35 PM