When it comes to digital point a shoot cameras,
bigger is not necessarily better, but wider certainly is.

One of the first posts I wrote on ActiveRain was titled, "Sell Your Camera On eBay & Buy This One."

That post was written about the Kodak v705, which, along with the Kodak v570, would still be my recommendation for a point and shoot camera. Unfortunately, Kodak decided to stop making both the v705 and the v570 and they are getting harder and harder to find. So I was forced to find another camera I could feel confident recommending.

My search led me to a brand new camera on the market, the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FX35.

Comparing the Panasonic Lumix FX35 to the Kodak v705, I found it's features to be comparable, the photo quality slightly better and its 25mm wide angle lens is the widest currently in production, though not as wide as the v705's 23mm wide angle lens. Still, the review left me wondering if people were being fooled into thinking they were getting a wide angle lens when they really weren't.

The Wide Angle Claim 

Point and shoot cameras with a 28mm wide angle lens, like the brand new Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ5, say they have a wide angle lens. And, compared to the standard 35mm lens, that's certainly true. But is it enough to capture a small room in the best possible way?

I wanted to see the difference in wide angle lenses for myself.

To do that, I purchased a Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ5 as well and borrowed Martin Rodriguez's Sony DSC-H9. (Martin's primary use for the DSC-H9 is not real estate photography, by the way.) The TZ5 has the very commonly 28mm lens that most point and shoot manufactures call wide angle, and the DSC-H9 has the standard 35mm lens. I compared them with the 23mm v705 and the 25mm FX35.

Here are the comparisons between the four different point and shoot lenses.

Sony DSC-HP 35mm Room Shot 35mm lens

Sony DSC-H9 35mm

Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ5 Room Shot 28mm lens

Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ5 28mm

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FX35 Room Shot 25mm lens

Panasonic Lumix DMC FX35 25mm

Kodak v705 Room Shot 23mm Lens

Kodak v705 23mm

Smaller rooms will show an even greater difference.

I used my family room as the subject matter, and it is fairly large, so you can imagine what a difference the FX35 or the v705 would make in photographing a very small room. In my opinion, neither the Sony DSC-H9 or Lumix DMC-TZ5 did this room justice. Only the 25mm lens on the Lumix FX35 came close enough to the 23mm lens on the Kodak v705 to get my vote of confidence. A wider wide angle lens makes a huge difference in your multimedia presentations as well. Here is a Real Estate Show illustrating how the different wide angle photos look when put in motion. Click on "more photos" to see them in static form.

My Conclusion?

A digital point & shoot camera with a 28mm lens can certainly claim wide angle status, but for real estate purposes, 28mm simply isn't enough.

 
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75 Comments on Point And Shoot Cameras. The Wider The Better.

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30
2008
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Thanks for the review Jeff. I am in the market for a new camera and you have done all the legwork for me.
11:50pm • #1
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I have a camera that I like BUT its wide angle leaves a LOT to be desired.  I know I have to do something about it. So many things to buy....so little money right now. 
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Jeff, I agree!  What has always been a problem for me is how fast technology is changing.  Todays toys are not good enough next year.  I have to admit, all the pictures were quite good, very clear and presented a very lovely setting.  AJ
12:04am • #3
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Hey Jeff, Great job, thanks for the info. I'm about ready to finally buy a new camera myself, you've made my decision easier, you're da best!
12:10am • #4
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I bought the Kodak v570 right after you wrote your first post and use it regularly.  It is a great little camera.  Hopefully I won't need to replace it for awhile. 
12:24am • #5
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Jeff.....thanks for the comparison.  The wide angle is definatly the way to go as long as it doesn't do the fish eye !
12:52am • #6
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Randy, I think you'll be fine with the v570 for quite some time. I keep hoping Kodak will change their mind and come out with a replacement dual lens camera to replace the v705.

Lynda, if you can find a v570 or v705, I still think the 23mm lens makes a enough of a difference in small rooms to make it worth the effort. But if you can't, the FX35 is the next best point and shoot option, in my opinion. Extremely small, so you won't hesitate to have it with you at all times.  

12:52am • #7
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Wayne, that was my goal. :)

Ruthmarie, one of the ways to get around a camera without a wide angle lens is to stitch a couple photo together

Alan, in this case it's only made true by Kodak's decision to stop making a camera that was alone in it's feature set.

12:55am • #8
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Jeff:  An excellent post.  Great information and very well presented.  You went through quite a bit of effort in doing this, and it shows.  Thanks for sharing...
1:00am • #9
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Hey Jeff!

I'm back!  Missed all ya' all!

 

I'm up for the next fx35!

thanks man!

1:07am • #10
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Karen, truly it's my pleasure.

Kevin? Kevin Tomlinson? Is that you? :) 

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Just found it on Amazon for $285 for camera alone.  Fair price, Jeff?  What have you seen?

And they say size doesn't matter!  (sorry, couldn't help myself)

1:55am • #12
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Wow, Jeff!  Huge difference on the shots!  I actually was just looking at cameras last night so I appreciate the advice given here!
5:03am • #13
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Jeff - great review! I have the old 4.0 Cyber-shot and was struggling getting the look I wanted. Of course I bought it back in 2003, I was overdue for a new camera. I decided to go a different direction with the Canon XTi with the Image Stabilizer lenses. I am loving it, however still considering upgrading with a nice simple point and shoot camera for more casual events. Thanks for the heads up, I had been looking for a wide angle lens P&S. You're are good! Cozy family room!
5:11am • #14
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Thanks for the info.  I want to get a new camera for Christmas.  I like the quality of the DMC FX 35 too
5:23am • #15
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Wow, wonder how long this camera (v705 on Ebay or something?) will still be on the market.  Thanks for the info.  I too need a new camera.
5:40am • #16
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I too love my v705 and don't understand why Kodak quit making it. I should probably scour around and see if it can be found, because I love it. 
5:45am • #17
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Hi Jeff - Wish I knew about this before I bought my Canon720IS and Sony Cybershot DSCW80. Neither are very good for real estate interior photos. Not long ago I admired the clarity from one of the home inspectors point and shoot cameras, he too was using a Kodak, not sure of the model.
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When I bought a new camera I ran into the same issue my research lead me to Nikon and the colorpix 8400 with a 24mm lens. I have been very happy.
7:35am • #19
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Jeff thanks for the comparison. Any information is greatly appreciated.
7:43am • #20
Jeff I have a Nikon, and have this problem all the time....Thats when i just take a bunch of pics, and put it into a virtual tour.
7:48am • #21

Jeff,

I'm a big fan of the pocket sized Lumix cameras and have put reviews of the FX07 and FX35 on my blog. I think they can't be beat for the money.

As a professional, I always used Nikons but their pocket cameras really stink. I like Canons but they dont make a true wide angle zoom. I've never used a Kodak that I liked - they cut too many corners on their cameras for my likes but feel at home with the lumix cameras. The fX07 which has a 28-90 2.8 Leica lens and image stabalization can be found online for less than $200.... 

7:52am • #22
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Terry, the Colorpix 8400's 24mm lens probably gives you some great shots. (Do you also have the ultra wide adapter?) It's a camera I did not consider because it is also in short supply, and vastly more expensive... some used versions selling for over $1000. That's not "affordable" any longer.  It also didn't meet the other criteria I use in recommending a camera which is portability. I'm of the opinion most people won't use a camera that is a pain to carry around. I define that as, "if it won't slip easily in my front pants pocket." :)
8:32am • #23
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I have a Cannon SD870 IS and love it BUT it is only 28 mm. While I love the quality of the the pictures I wish it's lens was a true wide angle.

I'll have to look at the Lumix.

 

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Thomas, I have loved the Kodak v705 I have, but for personal use, I'm falling in love with the TZ5. For family oriented things, the 10x optical zoom certainly comes in handy. Still, for real estate, if I couldn't find the v705, I'd be heading to the FX35. It's so amazingly small and easy to use. Feel free to come link your reviews here in the comments. 
8:35am • #25
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Jeff- Thanks for the review. I was going to buy a camera a couple of weeks ago and I knew you had a review out there. I just could not find it when it came down to the day to purchase so I held off. I'm glad I did! I remembered the wrong model so I would of been disappointed.

I am going to try to find the FX35 Locally but we do not have a lot of places that sell Panasonic's here. Do you have any online retailer recommendations?

Best,

Scott 

8:44am • #26
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SOLD! My V705 has started taking fuzzy photos (big sad face), so I've been on the hunt for a replacement. Perfect timing!!!
8:45am • #27
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Scott... I typically buy new cameras like this at CircuitCity.com, so I can return it with just a restocking fee to a local store. But it's not the cheapest price. Here are a few online price comparisons from Everyprice.com. http://www.everyprice.com/item.asp?item_Id=208921 

8:50am • #29
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Marlene... YES! I'd scoop that puppy up. :)
8:51am • #30
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Thanks Jeff. I was able to find a V705 on Ebay about 3 months ago. The wide angle is great but the quality is definitely not what I had hoped for. It's likely operator error though, so one day I hope to play around w/ the settings. It's nice to know there are alternatives out there though.
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Clearly, 35mm does not do the job. Good shot angles,  clear pictures and good lighting, are all so important!

Great sample photos! 

9:47am • #32
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Hey Maple,

Yep, user error.

The v705 is perfect for interiors and homes. (it does falter for travel shots)

Here is my listing, with photos from the v570 http://franklymls.com/AR6691884

Jeff, we need a full blog post on how to buy the v570 and v705 so you can link to it when anybody asks. You up for it? Or you want me to do it?

They can start off by bookmarking this link to Ebay for v570 or v705

or just focus on the "Buy It Now" for v570 and v705 

and then click on Save this Search so you will get an email when a BUY IT NOW for your camera hits the market. 

Also try crazedlist.org 

Frank 

11:04am • #33
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Frank... let's do something together. I'll call you.
11:57am • #34
I knew Frank would chime in on this subject.  I don't think he will ever let go of the V750/V507.  At least not for a while.  :)
12:00pm • #35
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Lee, when I had lunch with Frank in NY, I believe he showed me a very photo-realistic tattoo of a v570 over his heart. :)
12:05pm • #36
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Jeff,  Thanks for the update.  I still need to upgrade to a wide angle.
1:52pm • #39
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Jeff - Great stuff.  You simply can't get photography that is "too good."  Anything we can do as Realtors to improve the shots of our listings is well worth it.  Thanks for the post....
4:11pm • #40
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Thanks for this.  It took me a sec to realize the smaller mm gets the wider shot.  I see yor point about the small room presentation.  I'm going to look into this as I use a pretty good camera, but it probably lacks the features I really need for the job...
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DO NOT BUY THIS CAMERA FROM TECHONDIGITAL - (they're the lowest price at the comparison site). Yes, the camera is $239, but it includes NOTHING. You have to call the company where they upsell you on a bunch of stuff that you assume is included, like a memory card, a battery and a case. When I got fed up and said to cancel my order, the guy hung up on me. 

Here's the link of WHERE NOT TO BUY!

http://www.techondigital.com/product.asp?productid=DMCFX35K 
6:12pm • #42
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Jennifer, THANK YOU!
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Why do I think I will be looking at a Nikon Digital SLR and a 12mm lens...
9:56pm • #45
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Jim and Jennifer, like I said. I always buy my cameras at CircuitCity.com, so I can walk them in if something isn't right. I know B&H is very reputable, but you pay more for that reputation. I think it's worth it. :)

 

10:58pm • #46
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Lan, if you've got an extra $900 laying around the Nikon 12mm-24mm lens gets great reviews. If you're going to go that far, you may want to invest in some lens correction plugins for Photoshop as well. They will correct the barrel distortion at 12mm.
11:01pm • #47
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Wow Jeff thanks for making this so visual for me - gotta go find an old one :) You are the bomb!!
11:29pm • #49
Jeff thanks for the info, I like Kodak cameras the best, tried others and went back to Lodak!
11:36pm • #50
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2008
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Great visual example.  Now if we could just get agents to clean the lens from the pizza grease smears and maybe turn some lights on, we could get some decent images in our MLS and virtual tours, etc! LOL!
6:53am • #51
Pizza grease? I thought it as boogers on the lens.
9:00am • #52
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Great camera comparison post!   I bought the V705 after reading your first post and I LOVE IT!  No more cramming into a corner to try to capture a whole room!  Glad those days are over!  :)
12:15pm • #53
Jeff,  thanks for your hard work. I travel a lot and do love the wide angles.  Would you recommend the TZ5 over the FX35 even though the FX35 has the 25mm vs. the TZ5's 28 mm?   Also...have you had a chance to check out the DMC FX 500 yet which also has the 25mm?  I agree with you that if it can't fit in your pants pocket...you won't use it as much so I am a big fan of the small cameras.
Stanton Jones
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03
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Thank you Jeff, I'll go pull out the credit card as soon as I check my balance! 
7:13am • #55
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Jeff - I bought the TZ3 in December - and I too like it, but am enjoying it more for the family, especially with that zoom, and while its o.k. for rooms - I prefer my big Nikon SLR with a wide lens.  I am anxiously awaiting its return from the repair work it is encountering due to a hiking trip that involved a fall....
9:47am • #56
Jeff - I have been using the predecessor, the Lumix FX8 for a couple years now (exact same design).  I have found it to take excellent pictures on the factory settings.  It has a large display screen and a lens that retracts for protection.  It also fits nicely in my briefcase and is always ready to go.  One of the biggest problems I have is photographing a small room - you've given me good reason to think about upgrading to the next model. 
5:23pm • #57
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Jeff - Thanks so much for the info.  What a difference.
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Jeff, I've been considering a Casio Exilim Zoom EX-Z200, with 10 megapixels and a 28 mm lens.  I agree that 23 mm would be better, but the Casio also has some other features like anti-shake and video.

BTW, you have a beautiful family room. 


11:42pm • #59
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2008
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Jeff, this is such a great example for us camera-challenged!  I do have a decent older camera with a wide angle lens which I use for my neighborhood posts, family etc. bit I'm still using a pro to do my listings.  If on Teresa Broadman could be in all 50 states:)

7:35am • #60
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07
2008

Hey Jeff, thanks for the consumer reports update. Everyone should know that you really do get it all at ActiveRain.

By the way. Nice family room!

11:35pm • #61
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08
2008
I just ordered  the Lumix FX35 today and paid extra to have it for tomorrow.  Also signed up to Real Estate Shows and I can hardly wait to get started with hopefully better  and better pictures. Good reading.
11:07pm • #62
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2008
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Diane... :)

Rob... thank you.

Pat... you'll love it. Don't hesitate to email me with questions. :)

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2008
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hmmmm...my b-day is coming up soon...i would love one ;-)

11:16am • #64
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Krista... would you like me to talk to your husband for you?

5:54pm • #65
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19
2008

the V705 is the best camera ever. I bought one a few years back and loved it especially for real estate shots. Sadly, I slipped on some ice in march and broke the lcd screen which renders the camera almost useless. I am on the hunt for another one, but appreciate Jeff posting an alternative because I have had a very hard time finding another one. Thank you!!

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2008
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Jeff, I bought the Kodak v570 based on your recommendation and now even use to create HDR images (I have to use the self-timer as the camera doesn't have a shutter release cable connection).  I don't know what I would do without that camera.  Thank you for continuing to give us great advice!

8:35am • #67
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22
2008

Jeff, I have a v570 that I've been using for real estate for about a year.  Its starting to take fuzzy pictures unless you have it on the ultra wide setting.  Anyone else have this problem?  If so, any fixes?

Dan Hamilton
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02
2008
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Jeff, you still like the FX35?  Need a new one, this is what I'm finding.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Digital_Point_Shoot/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A1622411

Seems to be a newer model (says new on it.:)  and if I am understanding what the post and all of the comments say, this is 17.8mm?  Even some of these that say wide angle are only 30mm.  But the lower the better?

So confused, but this post helped quite a bit. Thanks.

Oh, Dan above, my v705 is getting blurry AGAIN.  I had the complete main board changed out on it less than 6 months ago and its dying again.  If it is still under warranty, they'll fix it for free with just the cost of shipping.

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Good to hear as things change so quickly that the Kodak V705 is still highly recommended. I got one over a year ago after reading AR recommendations and really like it for business. The flash isn't much account so I try to plan around well lit days for the virtural tours. Oh my, hope to avoid the fuzzy problem. 

7:47pm • #70
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21
2008
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Hi Jeff, Yesterday I bought a Kodak v570. I do like this camera. Thanks for your help.

10:53am • #71
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22
2008

Hi Jeff, have you or anyone heard of the RealPix camera specifically designed for real estate professional?  It has a fixed focus 22mm f2,0 lens. Its priced at $299 and was to be available July 15, 2007.  I saw it on LetsGoDigital.  Any comments?

Trudy Pape, RE/MAX Preferred, San Antonio, TX
4:37pm • #72

Ooops...forgot my email.

Trudy Pape, RE/MAX Preferred, San Antonio, TX
4:39pm • #73

Thanks for the great information, I've been looking at some larger cameras, instead of point and shoot since I can't find one that does a good job.

Have A Great Day

10:20pm • #74
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25
2008
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Jeff - Thanks for such a detailed comparison and your photos certainly show the difference between the lens views.  Very nicely done!

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13
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Jeff - you are the freakin' man. I have been trying to find an alternative to our V705 after it was swiped and all I can find are used ones for $400. Then I thought " I am going to go to Jeff's activerain page and look at all of his posts tagged with camera". Voila. I don't need the whole internet. Just Jeff Turner's stuff. Who needs anything else? Thanks, again. 

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