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TBT - A Bad Times Flashback

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with New Paradigm Partners LLC EB #1326335

I'm pissed off. I don't like being lied to. And I didn't like 2008 and what followed. It hurt us, our clients, our friends and the country, and I don't enjoy seeing evidence that the lessons from that fiasco haven't been fully absorbed into our business practices.

 

Mary and I have a challenging listing. It's a nice condo, in great shape and a great location, priced right at the market's sweet spot. Under other circumstances, it would have been long gone. The challenge? It's a non-warrantable condo, which means that it doesn't fit into traditional lending standards that would allow a loan on the property to be easily sold on the secondary market. There are basically two reasons for this - the owner occupancy rate is 31%, and the HOA governance has raised some questions that are answerable but not easily answerable.

 

We have been diligent in disclosing this situation in the MLS, and have worked hard to find financing alternatives. We've been able to identify several local lenders who have taken a good look at the property and can make a loan on it. Generally, for owner-occupied buyers, they're going to need very good credit and a minimum of 15% down. For investors, it's going to be 25% down. There's definitely a doable deal in there.

 

LiarSo imagine our bemusement when we received an offer with a 5% down payment and a pre-approval from Quicken Loans. We expressed our skepticism to the agent, who asked the loan officer at Quicken Loans to reach out to us to offer reassurance. No Worries! That loan officer not only assured us that he could do the deal as stated - non-warrantable or not - but that they did these "all the time" for as low as 1% down!

 

I'm sure I don't really have to elaborate any further - you know we didn't take that offer, and you know why. But what really bothers me is that there are still loan officers like this out there, oblivious to or uncaring of the harm they're doing to their customers and an industry that doesn't need more hits on its credibility. Is this loan officer just an out of control rogue? I hope so, but I'm willing to bet that his performance metrics are based to some significant extent on what he puts in the pipeline, rather than what successfully comes out at the other end.

 

I thought everyone had learned that lesson.

Posted by
Mary & Dick

Mary & Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC
2601 S. Lemay Ave. #41
Fort Collins, CO 80525
970-689-4663
www.maryanddick.com

 

Data Source: IRES MLS

Comments(33)

George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Dick I don't know what the HOA governance issue are so I cannot address them, but the owner to investor ratio should not be an issue if the Borrower is applying for a Fannie Mae backed loan.  Fannie Mae eliminated the owner to investor ratio back in 2008 and that exception is still in place.

You have just given me an idea for a blog.  Thank you.

Jul 28, 2016 09:34 AM
Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, CRS
Fathom Realty Washington LLC - Tacoma, WA
South Puget Sound Washington Agent/Broker!

 I too have recently met loan officers with the promise me anything approach to our business as long as I get you in the pipeline Dick Greenberg.  It is disgusting !!

Jul 28, 2016 10:31 AM
Endre Barath, Jr.
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices California Properties - Beverly Hills, CA
Realtor - Los Angeles Home Sales 310.486.1002

Dick good thing I was not drinking when I read your post, otherwise I would have had some nasty comments to say about that lender and probably would have asked for his contact information so I could personally blasts him/her....Endre

Jul 28, 2016 11:24 AM
Sharon Tara
Sharon Tara Transformations - Portsmouth, NH
Retired New Hampshire Home Stager

How frustrating.....for everyone involved.

Jul 28, 2016 11:41 AM
Jill Winchel
Royal Shell Real Estate - The Koffman Group - Cape Coral, FL
We make it easy. You make it home.

I just watched The Big Short last night. Wow! It brought it all back. Can't believe the nerve of those lenders smiling so much and making all of that money without a thought of the domino effect down the road.

Jul 28, 2016 12:16 PM
Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, KW Diversified - Stevens Point, WI
Forestland Experts! 715-204-9671

Something tells me that this loan officer never says No, saves that for someone further down the line.

 

Jul 28, 2016 12:20 PM
Jim Harper
Atlanta Communities Real Estate - Marietta, GA

Hi Dick. Fortunately for your client, you were smart enough to keep them out of that "we do these all the time" trap. Just another reason to avoid 1- 800- Lender and wedoloans.com. Well done. 

Jul 28, 2016 12:30 PM
Brigita McKelvie, Associate Broker
Cindy Stys Equestrian and Country Properties, Ltd. - Lehigh Valley, PA
The Broker with horse sense and no horsing around

Dick,

Several years ago, I had a Buyer go through the online lender.  They informed the Buyer that they would be able to finance the property the Buyer was interested in.  Long story short, they had us jumping through hoops.  Every time we completed what was asked, there was another condition.  Finally, I strongly suggested to the Buyer to go with one of the lenders I work with.  He did take my suggestion and we closed within 30 days. 

Brigita

Jul 28, 2016 09:32 PM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

You have to wonder about that pre-qual or approval. Most of it is internet based obviously where the buyer can just make up their own answers to the questions.

They're new spin - rocket mortgage also scares me.

I had one last year from a 'grocery store' bank where we found out soon that the buyer wasn't even close to qualifying. I blame that on the LO who did it as a sideline along with being a teller.

Jul 28, 2016 10:06 PM
Thomas McCombs
Century 21 HomeStar - Akron, OH

Can you be more specific about the details of the lender qualification documents? It could be that there is an issue that the Quicken managers might want to know about.

I am no fan of Quicken, but I often find that there is more than one side of a story.  

Jul 29, 2016 12:56 AM
Grant Schneider
Performance Development Strategies - Armonk, NY
Your Coach Helping You Create Successful Outcomes

Good Morning Dick -  the mortgage professional in our BNI group is constantly saving people from relying on Quicken Loans.

Jul 29, 2016 01:52 AM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

I find this often with "internet" lenders that approve everyone but close few Dick Greenberg 

Jul 29, 2016 08:13 AM
Mary Hutchison, SRES, ABR
Better Homes and Gardens Real Estate-Kansas City Homes - Kansas City, MO
Experienced Agent in Kansas City Metro area

I often wonder how these internet lenders, esp Quicken, stay in business!  That business is huge!  Yet all the agents I know would never recommend them, and I advise sellers NOT to accept an offer with a Quicken pre approval. This 'deal' would not have closed and buyer being deceived from the start.

 Just don't understand.

Jul 30, 2016 11:44 PM
Gayle Rich-Boxman Fishhawk Lake Real Estate
John L Scott Market Center - Birkenfeld, OR
"Your Local Expert!" 503-739-3843

Ohhhhh, this just makes my blood boil, Dick! How can we always be watchdogs for every yay-hoo that comes along to screw with the system and make our industry look bad (again)? Sorry, I don't normally rant, but gotta say that when these unsuspecting buyers come along to make a dream come true and then this sort of formula presents itself I just have to think what village has lost its idiot??

Jul 31, 2016 09:46 AM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

Dick- I'm sad to see this happening and I also have to admit, I'm not surprised.  You would have thought that a lesson would have been learned but when greed and money are involved, lessons quickly fly out the door. 

Jul 31, 2016 10:41 AM
Tammy Adams ~ Realtor / Podcaster
Maricopa Real Estate Co - Maricopa, AZ
A Maricopa Agent who Works, Lives & Loves Maricopa

I was just having this conversation earlier today on condos.  It also happens on manufactured homes where there are a few extra hoops and the lender is clueless to what can and can't be done.   :-(

Jul 31, 2016 12:21 PM
Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County

Internet lenders and appraisers from out of the local area...pulllleeezzzzeeee!

Aug 02, 2016 05:16 AM
Patricia Kennedy
RLAH@properties - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

Dick, there are a lot of useful loan products out there, and if a loan officer I know and respect tells me an iffy loan is doable, I'll believe it.  But it gets dicey when the buyer's pre-approval comes from any of the on-line services.  Most are in business to sell leads to loan officers who haven't yet figured out how to prospect.

Aug 03, 2016 09:33 AM
Jan Green - Scottsdale, AZ
Value Added Service, 602-620-2699 - Scottsdale, AZ
HomeSmart Elite Group, REALTOR®, EcoBroker, GREEN

I hear you Dick!  I recently went to an event by Movement Mortgage.  They are working diligently to get condos on the approved fannie mae list.  They work ONLY with condos.  You might search for them and see if they've made it to Colorado yet!  

Aug 05, 2016 10:59 AM
Daniel Dominguez
Realty Connect USA - Hauppauge, NY
I'm an RE agent serving Nassau & Suffolk County

Great post

Apr 26, 2018 09:27 AM