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WE HEAR SO MUCH THESE DAYS ABOUT THE LENDERS MORE STRINGENT QUALIFYING REQUIRMENTS FOR HOMES IN "DECLINING MARKETS".   This post was inspired by Janet Guilbault's post today relating an experience involving a mortgage rejection by an underwriter based on the new insidious "Declining Market Syndrome". 

Janet states, "Fewer people who can get loans = fewer buyers = more unsold houses = declining values."

SOMEHOW, THE MORTGAGE INDUSTRY HAS CHANGED IT'S MISSION FROM APPROVING BORROWERS TO  APPROVING LOCATIONS.   What's next?  Will the financial markets begin to issue FICO scores for neighborhoods?  Who invented the "Declining Market Syndrome"? 

WHO IS CARRYING THE BURDEN OF THE FALLOUT FROM THE MORTGAGE MESS? 

  • DON'T blame the home buyers.
  •      DON'T blame the real estate agents.
  •           DON'T blame the loan officers.

IT'S THE INSTITUTIONS THAT HAVE FAILED US ALL.  

  • Congress Failed us all.
  •      Fannie Mae Failed us all.
  •           Freddie Mac Failed us all.
  •                The mortgage companies failed us all.
  •                     Wall Street failed us all.

THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF REAL ESTATE PRACTICE.  Do you remember when selling real estate was fun?  Back in the late 1990s, real estate agents didn't have to worry so much about a buyer's ability to obtain a loan.    Once the Fair Isaac "FICO" credit scoring system was accepted and implemented, an experienced loan officer could pull a credit report and give a "YES" or "NO"for a buyers ability to obtain a mortgage loan, what type of loan would be advisable and what t he PITI would be. 

"Come on Mr. and Mrs. Home Buyer.  The lender said YES.  Let's go find a home." 

The great thing about FICO Scoring was that it incorporated a system of "Decision Management" that automated, improved and connected decisions to enhance the loan approval process.  It worked.  Why did it work?  Because, based on actuarial like precision, the borrowers ability and likelihood of repaying their mortgage loan as agreed was predictable and reliable.  The higher the FICO Score, the less risky the loan.  Mortgage companies could manage their decisions with automated systems rather than rely on human decisions.  If experience teaches us anything, it teaches us that numbers don't lie. 

PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, mortgage loans were easy to obtain, for credit worthy home buyers.  The home buyer's credit score determined the interest rate they would pay.  Lenders knew that risk could be managed by charging a higher interest rate to borrowers who had low credit scores and were, predictability, more likely to default.  Prospective home buyers were encouraged to maintain good FICO scores, make credit payments timely and save money for down payment and closing costs. 

FACT:  Easy mortgage credit leads to more mortgage defaults. 

FACT:  Most homeowners are making their mortgage payments on time.

DOES ANYONE STILL DOUBT THE IMPORTANCE OF A HEALTHY REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY TO THE ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THIS COUNTRY?

POST SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, with the Federal Reserve anxious to help Wall Street and all financial institutions recover from the horrific financial impact of the attack on our country, interest rates were lowered to historic low rates which eventually filtered down to the mortgage market.  With record numbers of home buyers in the market, mortgage companies were under severe pressure to approve more than just credit worthy home buyers.  The competition for mortgage loans encouraged lenders outside the normal A-paper loans to risker credit approval standards, boutique loan instruments and niche markets. 

The normal 65% of Americans who lived in owner occupied housing grew to 70% owner occupied housing. 

WHAT HAPPENS TO A MORTGAGE MARKET WHEN THE TAIL WAGS THE DOG?  However, that 5% increase in home owners were not qualified borrowers.  These new home buyers didn't meet normal underwriting criteria so the underwriting criteria were adjusted to meet the home buyers profile. 

Low interest rates brought record numbers of home buyers into the housing market driving home prices up as much as 100% or more.  As home prices escalated fewer buyers were found to be qualified.  Rather than the loan officers saying "NO", the financial markets invented new instruments to fit the home buyers' needs.  The easy mortgage market and rapidly escalating home prices brought many speculators into the housing market. 

FACT:  Many mortgage loans in default were obtained by fraud or speculation that home prices would continue to rise.  The plan was to buy the property, hold it for a year or two, often during the construction period, then sell it and pocket a significant profit. 

FACT:  Home prices escalated in response to low interest rates, institutionally neglectful underwriting, rubber stamp appraisals, home owners cashing out, home buyers buying their dream home. 

THE SAFETY NET WAS CORRUPT!  The institution that normally provided liqudity to mortgage companies failed in it's mission. 

FANNIE MAE MISSION

"Fannie Mae provides stability, liquidity, and affordability to the nation's housing finance system under all        economic conditions. We are a shareholder-owned company with a public mission. We exist to expand affordable housing and bring global capital to local communities in order to serve the U.S. housing market.

Fannie Mae has a federal charter and operates in America's secondary mortgage market to ensure that mortgage bankers and other lenders have enough funds to lend to home buyers at low rates. Our job is to help those who house America. "

FANNIE MAE FAILED IN IT'S MISSION.  As the average cost of housing in many communities escalated to exceed the Fannie Mae maximum loan guidelines, lenders were forced to go to private invesstor resources for funding.  Fannie Mae was unable to accomodate the higher loan amounts.  Fannie Mae was under investigation for misstatements of it's financial reports and was unable to obtain higher loan limit authority.  To maintain liquidity, lenders sold their loans to Wall Street investors who bundled the loans and sold them as Mortgage Backed Securities.  When a percentage of the underlying mortgages went to default, the riskier securities became worthless.  The financial institutions that held the securities lost Billions of Dollars. 

I believe that the "Declining Market Syndrome" is an obfuscation invented to give cover to lenders who suffered massive losses through loose lending standards.  Lenders aren't making mortgage loans because they don't have any money.  Fannie Mae failed, Wall Street investors failed and the government hasn't a clue. 

UPDATE:  Joey Aszterbaum further obfuscates the financial market's actions in a retort to this post.  My comment on Joey's post is below.

You completely missed the point of my post. 

I have no objection to and welcome home prices coming down.  I've objected to agents and sellers who pollute our market with overpriced homes for over a year.  When prices are too high, buyers stay home.

Now that prices have come down and are continuing to do so, buyers who do try to buy are rejected, not because of the buyers credit or their assets or contribution to the transaction.  Buyers are being rejected because of an arbitrary and futuristic projection of the future value of the area in which the house is located. 

The coveted low LTV is not based on reality.  It's based on a fabricated futuristic model. 

I'll go further.  This model of requiring a higher down payment in geographic locations is a form of steering.  Buyers seeking homes in one location can buy with 5% down.  Buyers seeking homes in another area will need 10% down.  As fewer and fewer homes are sold, the contraction will accelerate. 

Fact is:  Buyers have what they have.  They don't have 5 or 10% more. 

Housing prices are declining and that's a good thing for the market. OR IS IT?  If houses in the declining areas can only be purchased by buyers with large cash reserves, that makes them move-up neighborhoods.  However, if the buyer's contingency is in a declining neighborhood, the likelihood of it selling is reduced by the higher amount of cash needed by buyers. 

I'm coming to the conclusion that this "declining market syndrome" is a form of social engineering and that is not the governments business.  How much of the public's home buying decision making do we want to put in the hands of lenders and appraisers??? How much do we need Fannie Mae, a corrupt institution, telling the public where they can buy a home???? 

By the way.  I looked at a list of zip codes in a few Northern Virginia areas this morning.  The closer we get to DC and other major employment areas, the more likely a zip code is designated as "declining".  Of course it's declining.  It went up higher.  Northern Stafford County is declining.  Culpeper is not.  Crimony, the market has always been soft in Culpeper because it's not within a commuting distance to employment location.  Stafford is and was an attractive buying location in 2004, 2005, 2006.  So prices when up.  Now that prices are declining everywhere, folks can't sell in Stafford because buyers would need a higher down payment to buy that house in Northern Stafford than a house in Culpeper at the same price.  

It's insane. 

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Courtesy, Lenn Harley, Broker, Homefinders.com, 800-711-7988.

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56 Comments on THIS "DECLINING MARKET" PRETEXT IS JUST SO MUCH BLATHER.

MAY
01
2008
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Lenn, private investors who ignored or stretched reasonable lending guidelines have only themselves to blame.  But Fannie Mae violated its public trust by misstating financial reports.
10:20pm • #1
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Lenn,

Great post.

You forgot the mass media! The crisis is real, but we talked our selves into much of it, aggravating a small problem to major status.

Congress, legislators and our regulators failed us allowing builders and real estate brokers to own their own mortgage brokerages and mortgage banks, eliminating the safety provided the client by one more professional. The checks and balances provided by multiple professionals was lost when the builder and some times the REALTOR® controlled the loan, chose the appraiser and often controlled the escrow.

The only thing great about FICO was the promise! FICO allowed automation, FICO supposedly eliminated discrimination, instead it expanded it. Thanks to FICO a lot of good applicants got expensive loans instead of conforming loans.

Despite everything how can any system that has so successfully expanded home ownership (Over 95% succeed!) be bad?

Bill

William J Archambault Jr

The Real Estate Investment Institute

11:37pm • #2
MAY
02
2008
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It used to be that a good credit history was the best indicator of people paying back their home loan.

NOT ANYMORE.

Apparently, the moment someone is upside down on their home, they get it in their mind to buy a cheaper place and then let their current home foreclose. Honestly...what's holding them back?

The plain and simple truth is that a mortgage with a high loan-to-value is a very risky thing in this market. It doesn't matter how qualified a buyer is...statistically they change into something else once their equity crosses from positive to negative.

And in my neighborhood, my property has dropped $11,000 in one month. Not everyone will keep their commitments. The whole industry needs the tighter guides for now...when people put money into it they're committed. I guess a signature just ain't enough in America these days.

I wouldn't be so quick to let Realtors, Lenders and Consumers off the hook. This is America. We think that if we let our Institutions do our sinning for us, then God won't notice.

12:47am • #3
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Allowing the mortgage industry to stigmatize "declining market" zones creates the risk of putting those areas into a downward spiral.  It could turn out to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Not only did they invent declining market syndrome, but they're contributing to it!

To paraphrase Joey, I wouldn't be too quick to exempt the Executive Branch from the list of those who failed us.  The President appoints a Fed Chair and Treasury Secretary, in addition to other Cabinet-level posts.   

By giving the President a veto-proof backing in Congress, the result has been that policy could be shaped largely by a single political party during the past eight years. 

1:06am • #4
Lenn, You got it right.  Our government's financial framework was created around the depression.  With the Feds and the SEC asleep on the bench, the new, sharp young guns who had been gaming on their lives on play stations, started to game our old creeky system.  These young investment bankers talked the Feds/SEC into allowing them to create MBSs backed by sub prime mortgages, then gamed the system to get them rated AAA while putting all the bad debt into shell companies so the wall steet investment banks had clean books.  Lastly, they smiled as they sold these financial instruments to Pensions funds, etc., they smiled as they bought expenisive cars and expensive homes.  And when it crashed, they placed the blame else where.  Enough ranting. Great post. AJ
1:51am • #5
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Lenn- Great Post!   Bullseye.   Now the question remains...how do we get out of it?
4:13am • #6
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Oh Lenn, you've hit it on the head.  I've been hashing this around in my head for so long.  That little nagging thought that the lenders don't have money to lend is the reason for the Scarlet Red Letter placed across areas of the country just won't go away.

BTW, our the whole southeastern section of our state is marked with this red letter.  Fun fun fun.  

5:25am • #7
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Brian.  The corruption of Fannie Mae is, IMO, the crime of the decade. 

William.  Where do you get the 95% home ownership from?  The numbers I see is about 65%.

Eric.  I don't let anyone off the hook.  But, Congress is the body representing "the people".  Congress hasn't a clue what goes on in the homes of their constituants.  All Congress does is run for re-election.

Al.  Thanks.  Those MBAs made a bundle on MBSs and then got caught when their MBAs couldn't help them when the MBSs failed.  Funny Friday.

Allison.  Good question.  What I fear is the the more the ones in power to do anything will do too much.  If they simply let the market work us out of this, we'd be fine, but that isn't going to happen.  I fear we have several more years of this to go. 

Kris.  That is what is so confounding about this matter.  The home buyers in your market may qualify, but now the geography doesn't. 

 

5:40am • #8
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Very though-provoking indeed, Lenn!  I have been battling lenders with the newly instituted Fannie Mae guidelines (which seem to change daily for every underwriter on the planet), and this has made me start thinking there was more here than meets the eye.  You may have hit the issue dead on here - there's no money!  And all these changing requirements are a classic boondogle to hide that fact!   Makes one say "Hmmmmmm...."...
6:02am • #9
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Lenn,

I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to refer to "home ownership" but rather to home owners! I just pulled the numbers from the media.

What a different and better place this would be if we could approach 95% home ownership! Unfortunately I see the same numbers you do.

Maybe I was obscured by wishfully thinking?

Bill

6:23am • #10
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Steve.  If there's one thing we know, it's that mortgage companies can't exist if they don't make mortgage loans.  They're not like banks who can make the loss of mortgage income with NSF and ATM fees.  No loans, no business.  Seems to me that, if they had money, they'd lend it. 

William.  Thanks.  The 95% of home owners who make their payments as agreed get no credit.  All the focus is on the folks who took bad loans for their financial profile or speculated and lost. 

 

6:39am • #11
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This LO officer had called me to assure that the buyer that was buying a listing of mine would have no problem closing with all cash if they had to but were putting down about 65%. But when discussing the appraisal she seemd nervous about whether it would appraise. I told her there should be no issue at all...homes have sold for at least the purchase price or even higher with less in them. She went on to telling me they are now appraising areas based on the declining makret in that area.

Is this some new idea or method to help people? I don't understand what is going on. First they kill the market by over appraising and now they are trying to hurt people more by using a method based on the areas declining market....the problem is that every area is declining. If they are so worried about a borrower with so much money down how can anyone be confident with less? I guess the only way to correct is to take a step back to take a step foward.

6:56am • #12
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Neal.  That's the whole point. 

The "declining market guideline" simply doesn't make any sense.  It's imprecise in that entire counties and in the case of California, possibly the entire state are targeted for limited approval. 

The had to know that when they arbitrarily require higher cash down, even with high credit scores, that they would further exaserbate the market.  Prices fall, seller lowers price, qualified buyer agrees to buy but lender says NO, area is a declining market.  The buyer isn't rejected, the area is. 

It makes no sense. 

7:05am • #13
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Lenn, You summed it up nicely right here: "Lenders aren't making mortgage loans because they don't have any money" I believe that to be a true statement and have for awhile.

I wrote a post over a year ago about appraisers in my area making adjustments for "declining market". That post create a huge disccussion with many folks saying "they can't do that!" "It's redlining!" and blah blah blah. Well....they were, they are and they can. And if the adjustment doesn't work, to kill the loan, then they will play the "you need more down". Which all gets back to: "Lenders aren't making mortgage loans because they don't have any money"

8:16am • #14
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Bryant.  Thanks.  You are smarter than the average bear.

They have moved from a process of approving a buyer to one of approving a location. 

10:00am • #15
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Lenn - You make some great points. Don't you think that the 5% loan-to-value reduction made for declining value area delineations is just a way to increase banks' security position at a time when values are very likely going to continue to descend? I've yet to run in to a situation where one of the lenders I work with is unable to fund a loan because they do not have the funds, although I remember the days when that did occur. The market has slowed so much so fast I find it hard to tell if this would indeed become an issue if we were facing more "normal" sales volumes. I have seen the lack of funding come with the suspension of an Oregon State Bond program they are unable to fund due to poor (non-existent?) bond sales. As with any correction period, I think we're facing an over-correction, and the almighty dollar will eventually call the secondary market investors back to the middle, hopefully having learned something from the ridiculously loose lending criteria we have had for most of the new milennium, and with underwriting criteria that makes sense.
10:07am • #16
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Karen.  In my opinion, which is just opinion, anytime the real estate industry and financial industry strays from natural market forces of supply and demand, trouble ensues.  At this point, it's just one special interest after another. 

I believe that the trouble at Fannie and Freddie, mostly Fannie was one of the primary causes of the lack of liquidity that sent lenders and their consumers to the subprime market. 

Fannie Mae is still not liquid.  These "declining market" excuses protect Fannie Mae.  That's not Fannie Mae's job.  Their job is to protect the consumer's ability to buy homes. 

However, I remain convinced that if mortgage companies had liquidity, they would be making loans. 

10:22am • #17
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Lenn - I respect your opinion very much, as well as your willingness to express it. And, I agree with you that FNMA/FHLMC - and I would add HUD, too -  have all lost sight of their mission.
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Lenn - As part of our survival skills over the next 12 to 24 months, I think Realtors will need to sharpen their knowledge of all types of currently available financing, particularly FHA, and finely hone CMA/appraisal skills. Slam dunk transactions are on an extended vacation......
11:46am • #19
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Hey Lenn,

Very well organized and accurate article describing why the market is where it is.

Sean Allen

1:21pm • #20
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Lenn - you're right that almost all of California is declining market.

All it means is this:

  • 5% reduction in LTVs
  • Appraiser needs to give at least 2 comps that closed within 90 days
  • At least two active listings as comps.

I'm wondering if 'adverse market conditions' means something else to all the Realtors, because from what I can tell it makes complete sense. And I'm in one of the most adverse there is. Did I miss something?

1:25pm • #21
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Lenn,  Yep, that surely spells it out!  Hopefully, many will read this and comprehend what has transpired and why we are at this juncture.  Thank you so much for this post.  It's annoyed me to no end the bs that is being fed to the public in the name of cya.
1:39pm • #22
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Lenn - you should forward this to 60 Minutes and see if they would have enough gumption to do a segment on it.  I realize it's not nearly negative enough for prime time, but it would be worth a try.  Thanks for a great post that puts things in perspective.
2:21pm • #23
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Lenn, yes they have decided Ann Arbor is in a declining market. But Grand Rapids is not. Go figure... That 5% declining market is hurting us. We have had appraisals come in fine until they added that on, then you start negotiating again. So you sell your house, then have to sell it to a lenders appraiser. Thanks never thought about the lenders not having money. I know that many had taken other jobs....good lenders too. 

But, when a person is qualified with a 700 CC this should not be happening.  

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Lenn, I read that post, too, and found it to be a real eye-opener.  You're right, of course, about all the blame to go around, but now we (as an industry) need to adapt and help figure out the solution for our homebuyers and sellers.  What's the saying...  if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Remember when there were only 3 types of loans - Conventiona. FHA and VA, and they all were 30-year fixed rate loans?  If a borrower wanted more than $33,000, FHA was out; if a borrower wasn't a veteran or active duty military, VA was out, and that left Conventional with it's 28/36 strict ratios.  The myriad of loan products we've had for the past 3 decades began evolving in response to the 17-18% interest rate.  Maybe a "back-to-basics" return to the 30-year fixed rate loan for credit-worthy borrowers would be a worthwhile short-term solution is a start.

3:50pm • #25
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Missy.  Thanks YOU GOT MY POINT.  They should be qualifying the buyer, not the location.

Carol.  Thanks.  You realize, of course, that this is perspective as I see it.

Marc.  I didn't scratch the surfact, but it's a start.

Joey.  You missed a few things.  Approval for future market conditions is not reliable.  Approving the buyers based on their ability to qualify and credit history is one thing.  Approving the geography by comps leaves too much to the lender and the appraiser's discretion. 

Sean and Pilar.  I could be right.  I could be wrong.  But, I don't buy all that they are telling us.

Dave.  You are so right and I have a class formed week after next to bring some agents and brokers in my network up to speed.  Fortunately, we work with some very good lenders and, cross your fingers, so far so good.

Karen.  Thanks.  You said a mouthful.  IMO, Fannie Mae lost sight of their mission during the tenure of Franklin Raines, who should be behind bars. 

3:57pm • #26
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Missy - read my first comment - the scores aren't a factor once you go upside down - it's the LTV that's killing lenders.

A good lender and a good appraiser on your team will help you avoid the troubles of a 5% reduction - AND there's no reduction with FHA...they can still do 97% and a community program to fill in the 3% (out here it's HART or NEHEMIAH).

If you have to renogitate at the end of the escrow, that just means that the lender isn't keeping up on guidelines.

3:59pm • #27
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Margaret.  I believe we will be back to basics and I'm fine with that.  What I'm not fine with is having a good credit worthy buyer and the neighborhood has to be approved.

 

3:59pm • #28

That happened to me today!  I am selling a condo in NY.  My sale is contingent on the sale of another condo.  The buyer is approved.  At the last minute, Citi Bank pulled out because the ratio of rental to owner occupied was too high in the complex.  Definately sounds like a case of the neighborhood being denied for credit.  Any suggestions?  Can anyone suggest a lender?

4:04pm • #29
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Joey.  Missy is right.  The guidelines are a moving target. 

Further, the LTV doesn't kill the lenders until and unless a buyer defaults.  Buyers who qualify for normal LTV with good credit scores with a conventional loan make their payments and do not default. 

As it is now, the lenders have another "out" by making qualifying and LTV harder and higher in certain areas.  THAT'S INSANE.

Buyer finds a wonderful house, qualifies, negotiates and is putting 20% down and the lender comes back and because of some trumped up "declining market" scheme, the buyer needs another 10%.  That buyer is out of the market. 

That is not helping. 

4:06pm • #30
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Barb.  We've got a few communities in our area that have lost FHA and VA approval, but are still conventional approved. 

Geez. Sounds like the only way someone could by in that community would be with cash.  There goes the values.

 

4:08pm • #31

Lenn:  Great post.  There is a declining market, it is in California, Nevada and Florida.  It was created by the foreclosures.  When the only sales in the area are REO and foreclosures to  a third party the property values decline Because those are the comps the appraiser has to use if that is all that is available.  Secondly Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have their own sort of problems, while they are private and interested in paying top dollar to their executives (that is precisely why they kept "their poorly performing assets" off the books) should not and cannot be the "only securitizer in town", because as we all know power corrupts and absolute power absolutely corrupts.

Bill Clinton was the "brain child" behind opening the housing markets to all, including those "credit challenged" individuals.  For the most part it paid off, our economy grew at an amazing pace.

The liquidity crunch we are now experiencing is directly related to the banks not even lending to other banks.  If they won't loan to a bank, how can you expect them to loan to a borrower for a $1.3M home? Without investors who are willing to "take the risk" our economy will continue to decline.  Banks are notorious for only lending money to the person who doesn't need a loan. 

William J. Archambault, Jr. got it right.  The trouble started by giving Realtors and builders the capacity to have an in-house lenders and picking the appraiser.  That gave them the capacity to "write the deal" no matter what.  I am absolutely opposed to that, Realtors should focus on listing and selling homes.   Builders should concentrate on building the homes and let the Mortgage Broker/Mortgage Banker handle the loans.  

But this is still occurring because the banks who have the REO's are demanding that the potential buyer be pre qualified by them and insinuating that the potential buyer has to obtain the loan thru them, appraised by their in-house appraiser.  Now isn't that interesting.  So as far as I see it, corruption continues. 

Patti - Capital Line Funding Group - CA 

   

4:41pm • #32
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Lenn - being in an area where the entire county is labelled as "declining" I feel the impact of all you said. I think additional causes were lenders encouraging the use of a home as security for consumer debt to be equally problematic - i.e. home equity loans to fund vacations, big screen tvs, credit card debt, etc.  Playing Musical Lenders and Shred the Paper into Little Pieces played a part also. When local banks made and held loans, they based their lending on real knowledge of the borrower and the property and the area and the plan - knowing they'd be holding the bag if there was a default. Thanks for opening the discussion.
5:31pm • #33
There are so many faults at hand. Consider this crisis as an avalanche finally engaging. We're really fortunate that all of these issues came to light at once. 
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Lenn - It appears OFHEO agrees with you about Franklin Raines:

Consent Orders place several requirements upon the parties as follows:

From Mr. Raines, a total of $24.7 million comprised of:

The proceeds from the sale of Fannie Mae stock, valued at $1.8 million to be donated to programs and initiatives to assist homeowners threatened with the loss of their homes or related initiatives to assist homeownership, as approved by OFHEO.

Payment of $2 million to the United States Government.

Surrender and relinquishment of claims related to stock options with a value of $15.6 million when they were issued.

Other benefits lost in association with the above estimated at $5.3 million.

Congratulations on the Feature. You earn them!

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Karen.  THANK YOU FOR THAT.  I rarely read OFHEO because their mission is to protect Fannie Mae.  When Fannie Mae, under Franklin Raines failed in their mission, I figured they were all so corrupt there was no need to go farther.  I'll go back and look at their site.  Thanks.

Alan.  Everything at once.  It hurts a lot but will be over quicker.  Good thinking.

Sharon.  One of the things that I believe is missing in this market is more portfolio lenders.  I believe that the brokers have a role to play, but sometimes a good portfolio lender is worth their weight in mortgage money.

Patti.  I have noticed that our buyers who want to buy a foreclosure or short sale with Countrywide as the owner or lender are approved at a higher percentage.  Fine.  We just want to sell the dang houses.

 

6:31pm • #36
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Lenn - insightful as always. Love the line - 'the safety net was corrupt.' Not only the safety net but the whole system was corrupted and coopted from the top down and the bottom up made the most of it. From Greenspans 'irrational exuberance' to the average Joe, of whom we estimate 75% in California fudged on their loan aps, often in collusion with the lenders, agents, etc. We'll pull out of this but it didn't have to be this way.
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Lenn this too will pass.  Lenders are in the business of lending money, that is how they make money.  If they  tighten lending standards to th point that they are not making fewer loans, those less money, the bells will go off again and the lending standards will be changed again to encourage more loans.  Lending is driven by profit and there is not profit in not writing loans.
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I agree with you completely. As if the mess wasn't big enough, they are making it bigger. Oh well!
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Barb: What was the owner-occupancy ratio? It's standard to require 50% owner-occupancy, and any lender worth their commission will request this information from the HOA at the top of the process. Again...it's easy for some loan officers to blame the Underwriter or The Investor...but all it really means is that they don't know the guidelines and they're not doing their homework.
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Lenn - You are very welcome. Definitely worth a look, as OFHEO got FNMA's three largest culprits AND held them accountable, requiring financial restitution. Accountability is an issue that needs to be carried forward through this entire mess we're facing, IMHO.
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I agree with you Lenn. I hope selling real estate gets fun again. Soon!
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Lenn, I wish they would give FICO scores to neighborhoods!  In DC we are seeing the return of the bidding war and a slight increase in selling prices in many upper Northwest neighborhoods.  Still, we are a declining market.  Go figure!

And this is the best analysis I've seen of the mortgage mess.  BRAVO!

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Lenn,

Of course it doesn't make sense. I think they just screwed themselves and don't want to add a black eye to their industry. Sounds like the gas prices going up...but in that case they are just hording all the gas for some rainy day. The lenders made the big mistake and now had to find but another excuse so they can cover their butts. It's a banking issue not a RE issue.

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Neal.  Gas has always been more expensive in our luxury home areas.  Why are folks in higher priced neighborhoods expected to pay more for the same gas??  Because they can.

 

7:36am • #45

You may be right about lenders having no money, or maybe lenders are just being overly cautious to make up for the sins of the past. Many markets are being hit with the "declining market blather" as you put it and it is extremely frustrating to all as we sweat out approvals and appraisals. At any rate, I fail to see how throwing blame around and contributing to the negativity out there, even if truthful, does anything to help the situation? It is what it is. Now what can we do about it?

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Kelly.  Thanks for your thoughtful comment.  However, we can't be like Mizaru, Kikazaru and Iwazaru.  We can't do anything about it if we can't talk about it.

 

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Patricia.  Thanks.  Fact is, we need prices to come down.  However, when they do come down and buyers come out, the financial regulators who control the guidelines say, WAIT, prices have come down here so the buyers have to put more money down, thereby shrinking the buying pool.

It makes no sense.

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Lenn- You've done an excellent job in summing up the whole situation very nicely. I hope that we will be able to work our way out of this is a very timely manner. Thanks for posting.

Best,

Scott 

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I think I am lucky to live in such a unique area and we have been plagued by the Scarlet "Declining Market."  Fortunately prices have corrected and pendings & sales are rising steadily while we see inventory drop.  This is since we were declared the declining market back in mid January.   FHA, VA and cash are exempt from this.  The closings we are seeing are mostly FHA, VA and Cash.  Luckily our median and average prices fall well below the FHA limit.
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Renee.  We're selling homes too and FHA is our friend.  We've also done more VA loans lately than in the past few years.

 

6:23pm • #52

"Fannie Mae was under investigation for misstatements of it's financial reports and was unable to obtain higher loan limit authority."

Lenn, do you realize that if FNM had obtained higher loan limit authority that the housing bubble would have grown even larger due to yet another source of available funding?   The bubble was caused by too much available funding; adding even more via FNM would have added to the problem, not fixed it.

I've heard G. Gordon Liddy say "whatever you subsidize, you get more of".  This is a brilliant statement and I try to always keep it in mind.  FNM is a subsidy, so we would have had even more home sales in 2005 and 2006 if their loan limit authority had been higher.  Does anyone here think that today's real estate troubles are caused by NOT ENOUGH HOMES BEING SOLD IN 2005? 

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John.  IMO, if Fannie Mae had been able to buy loans at a higher price range, the Whiz Kids on Wall Street wouldn't have resorted to commoditizing mortgaga loans to the degree that they did.  Nor would the subprime have flourished if the loans had followed the Fannie Mae guidelines, which they would have had to do if they were going to sell the loan to FannieMae.

The market got liquidity from Wall Street because they couldn't get it from Fannie Mae.

IMO of course.

 

5:57am • #54
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Michael. Thank you so much for commenting. 

The improdence of Wall Street says a lot. 

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Lenn, an FYI Ann Arbor was taken off the declining market status on Monday, IMO it should have never been on it. But, now it is gone, my lender called and told me, should help with appraisals.
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