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Governor Crist -

House Bill 643 is a much needed bill and frankly, it does not go far enough to address the fraud and unfair advantages taken by predators.  I see this type of work daily in my law practice - and I am assisting one Bar complaint now against an attorney who is not revealing they are participating in Short Sale flip profits of their clients' property.

The problem is with the catch all definition of "Foreclosure Rescue Consultant".

My law practice has as a sub specialty the assistance to persons that have no ability to service their mortgages.  The usual answer to this problem is a controlled sale of the property with lender cooperation and agreement to release their lien on the mortgaged property for less than the amount of the mortgage debt.

Under HB 643, as an attorney I would not be able to provide these services to clients unless the payment for the services is made upon successful conclusion of the services rendered.

I am a real estate attorney - not a contingent fee personal injury attorney.  The services offered are transactional.  Making the fee contingent will stop me from offering this service and remove from the public a much needed service.

For example, my fee is based on a pricing that helps both the small mortgagor and the large mortgagor - I charge one month's principal and interest mortgage payment.  The services I offer generally cost me about $2,500.  Therefore, those with lower mortgage payments are being subsidized by those with higher mortgage payments.   Not all Short Sale or modification attempts are successful, so my costs would go up based on the Bill.

There are attorneys that charge a smaller fee up front and then share in the real estate brokerage fee, or worse, participate with investor profits on the purchase and flip of the property.  I believe that arrangement and indeed any contingent fee arrangement is a conflict of interest with the client because it encourages not fighting for the best price buyer or best deal with the mortgage holder with the client's interest first. Rather, it encourages getting the deal done at any cost to the client's best interests so the contingent fee is collected as quickly as possible.  I do believe that the process and the work to be undertaken by the attorney needs to be specifically spelled out and indeed, I use a three page retainer agreement specific to these services, and we require the client to initial almost every paragraph.

No doubt - the situation is like the Wild West and must be addressed.  But effect of HB 643, without proper exemptions for attorneys whose services fall under the definition of "Foreclosure Rescue Consultant", will remove the providing of legitimate and needed legal services to those who most need such services.

I encourage your office to contact me on this matter.  My cell phone is included below.

Sincerely,

Richard P. Zaretsky, Esq.

Florida Bar Board Certifed Real Estate Attorney

 
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25 Comments on FLORIDA FORECLOSURE FRAUD BILL - MY LETTER TO GOV. CRIST

MAY
02
2008
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This law as written is a pathetic sop to the 501 C3) (3) cronies. 

152     (b)  Solicit, charge, receive, or attempt to collect or
153secure payment, directly or indirectly, for foreclosure-related
154rescue services before completing or performing all services
155contained in the agreement for foreclosure-related rescue
156services.

If this section includes attorneys hired by home owners to provide legal services in connection with a pre-foreclosure or foreclosure service, then it is clearly meant to steer home owners in distress to the non-profit cronies. 

Funny thing, the non-profits get their grants in advance of doing any work. 

This bill may we well intended, but when the government tries to get into the marketplace without knowing the market, all they do is screw things up further.

Thanks for this post.  It's very enlightening.

 

7:56am • #1
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Looking at it deeper, wouldn't it also include in the definition the rendering of bankruptcy services where there is included a residential mortgage?
8:25am • #2
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Richard,

You make several great points.  I've got about $300 in costs on each short sale listing.  Can I set up a seperate company to cover the costs by charging the fee to the sellers since it has nothing to do with the sale?

Sharkey

9:11am • #3
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Brian -

We have to see how this pans out. The language is scary.  Can a defaulted borrower pay an attorney to defend the mortgage foreclosure suit?  Does it deny access to the courts since attorneys are likely not to accept fees that can't be paid until after the work is done?  Is it "pay as you go"?

11:18am • #4
JUN
03
2008

Richard, The answer to your question "Can a defaulted borrower pay an attorney to defend the mortgage foreclosure suit?" appears to be "No," at least as I read the new law. I also read it to impact all almost all consumer bankruptcy filings.  Have you learned any more about this in the last month?  I just poked my head out of the cave today and was stunned by what our legislature has done.

Mike
7:47pm • #5
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Thankfully I am not going crazy.  Unless you are in the same looney bin as me!

10:14pm • #6
JUN
05
2008

Ouch, what does this really mean. My clients are referred to me by the listing agent who have a purchase contract however it is a short sale. My company charges a $ 350 upfront fee to facilitate the short sale, send in all the documentation and negotiate with the parties. We charge a transaction fee of $399 to the realtor at closing. Our fees are so low, and now does this mean we can't charge anything upfront to help the seller who hires us to talk to Countrywide 70 hours a week because they are a cluster??? Who is supposed to help these people with their short sales?

 

Appreciate your comments

Gaby Hall
7:19pm • #7
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It reads the way it reads -- I figured the lenders are the ones that pushed the bill through under the guise of helping the consumers -- and it will help.  But it is like setting arsenic traps to kill the rats -- but it kills every other animal as well.

8:41pm • #8
JUN
07
2008
The term does not apply to:
87      1.  A person excluded under s. 501.212.

 

Doesn't that cover those holding a valid real estate license and therefore attorneys?   Or am I not interpreting that correctly?

7:08pm • #9
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Cyd -

Attorneys don't hold a real estate license just by being an attorney.  It only expempts them from the study course prerequisite to the exam.

7:12pm • #10

Ahh, lol.  Gee, who knew?   So, those holding a valid real estate license are exempt then.  If so, I think we're going to see a mad dash for licenses.

All of this is only for primary residences, not any investment/second home properties which a lot of the short sales and modifications I'm seeing in my area aren't on primary homes, so that business wouldn't be affected. 

Do you think there will be a modification/clarification?    

7:31pm • #11

RICHARD--As I have read this new law it seems to clearly exempt not only Realtors, but the sale process of the home in connection with the direct involvement of the lender as a negotiated agreement (or a short sale). It seems to be specific towards the insitutions that charge an upfront fee for services directly related to the premise of a foreclosure rescue and "taking" over the property whether by having the deed signed over or the property bought by these same institutions. Realtors and their processors are paid based on the successful sale of a home and not specifically to avoidance of a foreclosure. If the sale is not made then there is no compensation due. The short sale is paid by the lender and does not put the homeowner in a position to pay for services that are not rendered.

9:06pm • #12
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Sidney

Your statement "it seems to clearly exempt" makes the point -- it is certainly not clear if you have to say it "seems" to say.

I agree that the law does not affect Realtors in a short sale - there is a specific exemption for them.  But what of an attorney that is hired to defend (which by its very nature will include "delay" of the foreclosure) the homeowner?  As the law reads, the attorney cannot get paid until the matter is finished. 

This law was meant to do good - to bring some organization and protections to a group of persons that are ripe for victimization - but the "dragnet" definitions and their application has the unintended effect as pointed out in the article and comments.

Thanks to reading it!

9:20pm • #13

RICHARD--In reading the text, I get the impression that this is specifically focused on the services where the "relief" is extracted by the signing of the deed or the sale of the property to a party other than the lender. It seems to exempt all the activities which include the direct and negotiated arrangement between the homeowner and the note holder. Those parties involved in that transaction would be exempt.

67 (2) DEFINITIONS.--As used in this section, the term:

68 (a) "Equity purchaser" means any person who acquires a

69 legal, equitable, or beneficial ownership interest in any

70 residential real property as a result of a foreclosure-rescue

71 transaction. The term does not apply to a person who acquires

72 the legal, equitable, or beneficial interest in such property:

73 1. By a certificate of title from a foreclosure sale

74 conducted under chapter 45;

75 2. At a sale of property authorized by statute;

76 3. By order or judgment of any court;

77 4. From a spouse, parent, grandparent, child, grandchild,

78 or sibling of the person or the person's spouse; or

79 5. As a deed in lieu of foreclosure, a workout agreement,

80 a bankruptcy plan, or any other agreement between a foreclosing

81 lender and a homeowner.

 

9:37pm • #14
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Sidney -  I am not surprised by your response.  I have looked and re-looked at it many many times and each time I hope to see that I was wrong.  But its like something you wish was a bad dream and then wake up and find out it really happened.  I have been trying to change the dream for the past month. 

The key definitions for an attorney are the ones at line 82 and 116.

The application of THOSE definitions is covered in lines 146 to 156.  There are OTHER issues also dealt with in the Act, and those are regarding equity purchases or "transactions".  The mortgage foreclosure is not a transaction or an equity transfer under the Act, but is a "foreclosure related rescue service".

82      (b)  "Foreclosure-rescue consultant" means a person who 

83 directly or indirectly makes a solicitation, representation, or 

84 offer to a homeowner to provide or perform, in return for 

85 payment of money or other valuable consideration, foreclosure-

86 related rescue services.

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116 (c)  "Foreclosure-related rescue services" means any good 

117 or service related to, or promising assistance in connection 

118 with:

119      1.  Stopping, avoiding, or delaying foreclosure proceedings 

120 concerning residential real property; or

121      2.  Curing or otherwise addressing a default or failure to 

122 timely pay with respect to a residential mortgage loan 

123 obligation.

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146      (3)  PROHIBITED ACTS.--In the course of offering or 

147 providing foreclosure-related rescue services, a foreclosure-

148 rescue consultant may not:

149      (a)  Engage in or initiate foreclosure-related rescue 

150 services without first executing a written agreement with the 

151 homeowner for foreclosure-related rescue services; or

152      (b)  Solicit, charge, receive, or attempt to collect or 

153 secure payment, directly or indirectly, for foreclosure-related 

154 rescue services before completing or performing all services 

155 contained in the agreement for foreclosure-related rescue 

156 services.

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So don't confuse the parts of the Act that seek to control or prevent equity issues.  I am not worried about that part.  But do look at the prohibited practices that adversely affect he borrower's access to the courts and a valid defense to a foreclosure.

10:00pm • #15
JUN
08
2008

RICHARD--I don't think the idea was to target lawyers in this bill but I can see how it can included by the terminology used. My interpretation is that this was aimed at the "service" providers that have the homeowners either sign over their property to them or they themselves purchase the property as part of the foreclosure avoidance. Then again, you're the lawyer and are triained to decipher these documents.

I saw the exclusion of Realtors but it seems you're right about the lawyers being in a gray area.

That is something that needs to be cleared up as to not scare away the lawyers from the arena as they try to help the homeowners that seek their services.

10:10am • #16
AUG
24
2008

Richard - I've been charging a fee when negotiating loan modifications or repayments plans with lenders for borrowers. 

No deeds are signed, no interest in the property is conveyed.

Does this bill prohibit me from collecting my fee up front?

6:50pm • #17
AUG
26
2008

The reason for this legislation, is to regulate and protect the consumer from the growing and unregulated loan modification industry.  Right now, anyone can legally open a loan modification company, even convicted felons.  Should attorneys be allowed to do charge a retainer for offering these services? Yes.  A successful loan modification relies on two things a quality Forensic Audit Report and knowledgeable attorney. 

Steve

www.mfi-miami.com

9:15am • #18
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Steve

Although I have not see the letter from the Atty General, I was advised about 10 days ago by the President of the Florida Bar that the AG's office advised that it will not interpret the new law to not exempt attorneys. 

Once I have the letter we can see the extent of that exemption.

10:39pm • #19
SEP
01
2008

Richard,

Please keep me in the loop on this.  Since I do fraud investigation and loan audits for ttorneys and loan modification companies this impacts my end of the business.

Thanks,

Steve

www.mfi-miami.com

10:24am • #20
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13
2008
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Richard- We just heard of this law this month. I see you wrote this post back in June. I have heard of many people collecting these fees and soliciting our sellers for upfront fees even up to and in August. We do not charge an upfront fee to our sellers so I suppose it just passed me by. However, we know attorneys who do for document audits and foreclosure defense. Many of our homeowners need this time in order to complete a short sale. Thank you for keeping us in the loop with this. I suppose now I can alert the homeowners that when they get that mail or phone call that someone will do their loan mod. or their short sale with an upfront fee, that homeowner can file a complaint with the FTC. Is that correct? Katerina

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Richard- I just read through the bill and it says it takes effect October 1, 2008; so that answered my question.

1:13am • #22

Richard - my understanding is that Attorney General Bill McCollum commented on HB 643 in June and stated that attorneys are excluded from the definition of foreclosure rescue consultant when a licensed attorney represents a client with respect to a foreclosure.

For the full ruling please visit:

http://www.floridaprobono.org/library/item.199312-D_Statement_from_Attorney_General_on_HB_643

7:47am • #23
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Thanks for the text, Don -

Here is what it says - I had lunch with John White just after this letter was written but before he received it and he told me it was forthcoming.

I will update this blog with the content

4:19pm • #24
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20
2009
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You're the MAC DADDY Richard!

Those faux companies (rescue consultants, Hope Now copy cats and the sites pretending to be Fannie Mae) are setting up mirror sites to the legitimate government sites.  They look like the real deal.  A few months ago I called one up and they claimed to be the real deal.  I should have made a complaint with the state attorney general. 

It would be nice if the real ones all ended in .gov so you could tell them apart.  SCAMMERS should be burned at the stake!  Off with their heads!

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