For a number of months now the primaries have largely been devoid of race issues.  Sure there's talk of Barack Obama being the 1st President of color, there's was the hiccup of Reverend Wright, but race has not been an overriding factor.  I wondered how long it would take for race and/or racism to begin to rear its ugly head.  It seems that the recent Democratic Primary in Pennsylvania was its debut, but surprisingly, race seems to have simmered down again.  I'm not convinced that it will remain so subdued, inevitably it will reappear before the general election. 
 
It goes without saying that a candidate should be judged by character, not color and that's how many of us would like the populace to vote.  However it will not go down solely in that manner.  There will be some racial bias....let's call it 'acceptable racial preference' (ARP for short) in which a person might feel a tad more comfortable with one like himself (or herself).  Not that this is condoned, rather it is human nature.  Look at any election and you'll see people voting for their own kind whether the linkage is race, religion, location, etc,etc.  It's not due to a hatred of another as much as it is a comfort.  Since this blog is about race, by literal definition, these people could be called racist.  However I don't feel it is most appropriate using such a label hence we'll go with ARP.
 
Looking at the aftermath of the PA primary, the polls said that a number of whites said race was a factor in selecting between Barack and Hillary (this number varies depending on the poll).  For the sake of consistency I will use one set of results from the New York Times.  Of that 13% of whites who said race was a factor, 75% voted for Clinton.  Of the 13% of blacks polled, 4% (I believe this to be 4% of the total, not of the 13%) said race was a factor while the other 9% said that it wasn't.  Nevertheless, 91% of blacks voted for Obama - a charge quickly pointed out by those defending the whites who said race was a factor.  I'm not here to judge either side because I understand ARP.  And particularly so for blacks given that this is the first time that a viable black candidate is on the ballot.  In being fair, I also understand white ARP as well.  It's only natural.  But this talk of race and voting pattern doesn't touch on what really matters and it's not race, it's racism.
 
It's not so important who one would vote for because of race, rather who that person would NOT vote for due to race.  Of the 91% of blacks who are voting for Obama, how many would vote for a white candidate?  I don't know the answer, but what I can tell you is that up to 100% of those who have voted in a presidential election in the past have voted for a white person.  On the other side, there are many whites who voted for Clinton because because they like her (and possibly because she's white), yet they would vote for a non-white candidate they found viable.  The problem (for Obama) is that portion that wouldn't.  If Hillary Clinton were a black woman, those same voters would cast elsewhere.  This isn't to say there isn't racism by blacks nor is it to exonerate such behavior.  Rather it is to highlight that there is a bigger issue of race not being addressed.  It is an ugly reality of the election process that's still being swept under the carpet.
 
 
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196 Comments on Would you vote a white candidate for President?

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Tchaka- I have an adopted Peruvian daughter and live in the most conservative county in my state. I've seen racism by authorities and teachers against a small child. I've spent most of my life working in a very racialy mixed industry and was as a child brought up in a racist household. I have tried very hard over the years to not be racist and by and large have succeeded. But know in my heart there is still just a tinge  that pops up from time to time . People are always going to be scared of what they don't understand, but my problem with discussing it is that those folks that want to discuss it seem to me to be the biggest racists of them all.  Its like lets put Strom Thurmond and Louis Farrrakhan on Television together had have them discuss racism.
7:23am • #1
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The race card is being played regularly (and has been in past elections). Already Howard Dean is laying the groundwork for any Republican criticism of Obama to be racist driven. Prominent African American's who speak out against Obama, such as Larry Elder, are being called Uncle Tom's, etc.

As for importance, their is no difference in importance whether one is voting for someone because of race or not voting for someone because of race. They both put race above qualifications.

When the press starts covering the candidates on the basis of their platforms, when race, gender or age does not enter the discussion, then, maybe we will truly be ready for any person to be president. When someone can honestly criticize a candidate, for their positions, and not be accused of racial or gender bias, then, the U.S. is ready for any person to be president.

 

7:23am • #2
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Tchaka, I blame the media 100% for making this a race issue.  They never cover the substance of each candidate without brining in which race will vote for which candidate.  As far as blacks being lemmings and voting Democratic, if I were black that comment would insult me.  Its like saying blacks can't think for themselves.  However, I'd rather be a lemming than a sheeple, which the conservatives are.  They are led to slaughter by lies and actually enjoy the process.
10:29am • #4
Tchaka-You are right in your assertation that xenophobia is not the same as racism. It is an ingrained survival instinct. A member of your own clan is less likely to do you harm. That being said, racism is going to play a part in an election in this country. If Hillary gets the nomination, than sexism is going to play a role. There is nothing that can be done about it. If the Dems had played it safe and put up a rich, white male, they would win this election in a landslide. Now it is going to be a tight race.
10:31am • #5

Tchaka,

If Obama was conservative and had the values and views I like to see in a person, I would not vote based on race.

I am not saying it does not go on, but just saying, I can overlook color, etc... and see the person and their character.

As far as me voting for our first black or woman president, not while they are on the liberal side!

10:31am • #6

Terry,

That's funny!  "They are led to slaughter by lies..."   It sounds exactly like what the Democratic party has done to the Blacks in this country.

10:37am • #7
John-Conservatives won't have to wrestle with any kind of moral or ethical decision based on race or gender in this election. They have a rich, old, white man to vote for. I also have a rich, old, white man to vote for. I am going to write in Ron Paul. I know he won't win, but he is the only one I really like.
10:42am • #8

Israel,

I actually have considered it!  Believe me, I am wrestling!  Unlike what Terry and probably you and others would have everyone believe about conservatives, I do think about things for myself!  Both parties should be ashamed of the lack of real options.

10:47am • #9

John-Dead on. All three candidates are panderers. I used to think McCain was a man of principles, but since 2000, he has waffled and changed position to many times to count. All three of them are corporations dressed in suits. Viva Ron Paul.

By the way, I am sure you do think for yourself. The only time I think someone is a little brainwashed is when they staunchly defend the Iraq War as a great idea and refuse to admit it was poorly conducted. Then I know the blinders are on.

10:52am • #10

I couldn't care less what color a person is. I mean that is what race is about...skin color. WHO CARES about something so trivial? You have to be pretty shallow (in my opinion) to vote for someone based on their skin color. HELLO?  Obama is HALF "WHITE" TOO! Do blacks just ignore that fact? Obama is no more "black" minded than I am. He's just as "white" as me and should be ashamed of himself for selling himself out as a "black" man when he couldn't identify with their "struggles" if his life depended on it. Hillary....is she really a woman? She's not like me that is for sure. McCain...is he really a leader? Does he have good business sense? I can identify with him on a military level, but not on any other level.

It's too bad you can't make stew with these guys and come up with one good pot of intelligent leadership. Ya know a little of her, a little of him and a lot of him. I'm still looking for that candidate.

Let's take you for example....you aren't light complected. You could be hispanic, black, french, Indian, use a tanning bed a lot, scottish, who knows what mixture you are and who cares. What I see is someone that looks friendly, great smile, intelligent looking, someone I would let walk me to my car on a dark night.

Does that mean I'd vote for you if you ran for president? NO! Because what I identify with are the issues only. You could say, well Cheri, I too am part Cherokee Indian just like you and my ancestors went through what yours went through and my family members are still struggling because of that and I would say....so! How do you feel about abortion? What do you think about that stupid border fence and immigration issues? What do you propose to do about the gas issues? How long will you leave troops in Iraq?

I couldn't care less how nice of a smile you have, wether we are cousins or if you can dance a salsa........I want to know if you will make this country better for my children. PERIOD.

If more people voted that way we might have a good leader. It's like voting for the prettiest person or the best dressed person. Those things should not be a factor in choosing a good leader.

 

 

 

 

 

10:58am • #11
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Terry Haugen:

If you "were black" who you vote for would not change. As far as that comment insulting you if you "were black", look at the statistics.

Why don't you explain your conservatives being sheeple comment? It is a liberal talking point with no merit. 

11:13am • #12
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Israel:

I don't think bringing up the wealth of the candidates is a deciding point on who to vote for in this race.  They all have more money than the common man.

11:15am • #13
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John:

Its obvious that Terry is ignorant in her understanding of true conservatism.  It's what this great country was founded on.

11:18am • #14
Bill-I'm not saying the wealth of a candidate is a reason to vote. They are all rich. You don't get a choice in that respect.
11:19am • #15
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Israel:

It's unfortunate that only the wealthy can run successfully.

11:30am • #16
Yes. The best candidate for President is somebody we will never know about. Our system is set up to reward the very wealthy and their friends. It is always fascinating to look at the careers of high level politicians after their term in office is over. They get extremely lucrative positions in companies they enriched during their time in office.
12:43pm • #17
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Tchaka - it is certainly a problem, but it isn't helped when you yourself talk about "the hiccup of Rev Wright". This is WAY more than a hiccup. This is a man with pure hatred in his heart. This is a racist. This is a man who Obama kept as his close confidant for 20 years. And if that wasn't enouggh, the specific church believes in "black liberation theology". If all that wasn't enough, then we have Rev Meeks - a homophobic racist who is part of the Obama inner circle. Race has become an issue because of who and what Obama associates himself with. Then there is the other side of the coin. My radio producer is black. We have had on the air discussions about this. He has said on the air that he and his entire family will vote for Obama BECAUSE he is black - for no other reason. This discussion came about as part of our discussion on the 40th anniversary of MLK's assassination. I asked if his dream had been realized and was shocked to discover that from a black perspective, it had not. My producer told me he didn't know a black person who would not vote for Obama based on his skin color. We have a long way to go.

Finally I agree with a point being made frequently here - we have 300 million people in this country and these were the best three? THAT is truly scary!

ISRAEL - What about Wayne Allyn Root? This is the likely Libertarian candidate and you can now hear my interview with him (or at least part of it) on his website - http://www.rootforamerica.com/home/listen.php

My interview is the third one on the page and has my name on it.

1:14pm • #19
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John, make me a list of what white republican legislators have done for blacks in this country.  Follow that by a list of all the truths bush had presented to us regarding Iraq, the economy, the environment, healtcare, etc.

Bill, I completely understand what conservatism means.  However, you and yours do not, as the definition has been molded to fit your agenda.  If I were black I certainly wouldnt vote for a party that has had a concerted effort in the past to supress me!

2:02pm • #20
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I have said it before and I will say it again - the complete lack of knowledge about something that is (a) so important and (b) the ease with which some people spread lies, is truly scary.

It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: Slavery, Secession, Segregation and now Socialism.
 
It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860's, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950's and 1960's.
 
During the civil rights era of the 1960's, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools. President Eisenhower also appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision ending school segregation. Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman's issuing an Executive Order in 1948 to desegregate the military. Not mentioned is the fact that it was President Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end segregation in the military.

2:13pm • #21
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Terry:

What suppression of Blacks by the Republicans are you talking about?

You mean Abraham Lincoln tried to suppress Blacks? 

The Republican party was good enough for Martin Luther King Jr. to call his own.

Was it really a Republican Governor that tried to block Black students from entering the University of Alabama in 1963?

3:04pm • #22
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Simon:

Great minds think alike.  I didn't read your comments until I submitted mine.

3:06pm • #23
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Bill - I could write pages on this stuff - it just goes on and on. JFK for example, voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Senator Al Gore, Sr. And after he became president, JFK was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his Attorney General brother, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine MLK.
3:09pm • #24
What a funny argument. Who screwed blacks the worst? Everybody did. This is everybodys shame.
3:11pm • #25
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Actually Israel, it started with the Brits and the rich Africans who rounded up and sold the slaves in the first place. Did you see the link I gave you above to the interview with Wayne Allyn Root?
3:13pm • #26
Simon-I saw it. I'm getting ready to listen after I get this listing paperwork done. I just think it makes no sense to argue over who is more racist. There is no official party of Racists. I googled " Republican Racism " and got so many hits it was amazing. It is an argument that can have no winner. Thats why I say it is everybodys issue. For every racist Democrat, somebody can bring up Trent Lott, Strom Thurmond, David Duke, etc. It's a dog chasing it's tale.
3:24pm • #27
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Israel - fundamentally I agree with you. The comments started over a lie being spread here - "If I were black I certainly wouldnt vote for a party that has had a concerted effort in the past to supress me!" - That is simply untrue as can be seen from the evidence above. But there is no doubt that there have been many Republican racists and many Democrat racists. They still exist on both sides.
3:35pm • #28
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Terry:

Someone else has summed up my argument against your outlandish left winged psycho babble much better than I could have without spending more time than I care to on debating this left winged meritless liberal argument.  The Capitalist Conservative has put together some interesting points on your brainwashed view point.  Furthermore, my time spent on it is already wasted because after my comment is read to you,  you will not be able to comprehend the truth.

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The Democrat Party's Long and Shameful History of Bigotry and Racism

  

 

A common attack upon conservatives and republicans by the ultra left is to engage in what has come to be known as "playing the race card" but is more accurately described as racial McCarthyism. Hardly a day goes by without a member of the far left wing falsely accusing conservatives of racism, bigotry, and a wide array of similar nasty things. They are not only dishonest, but they often border on the absurd, as in NAACP leader and hyper bigot Julian Bond's recent implication to his organization that Bush administration officials supported confederate slavery. Amazingly, Bond's statements went without condemnation from the radical Democrat party or others in his organization.

Not surprisingly, in all the lies and accusations of racism by the radical left wing, the truth becomes distorted not only about the Republicans but also the Democrats who make these accusations themselves. For instance, you may or may not have heard Democrat Senator Robert Byrd's outburst of racist bigoted slurs, more specifically the "n-word," on national television in March of 2001. Amazingly, this incident of blatant racism on national television drew barely a peep from the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Julian Bond, Mary Frances Berry, or any of the other ambulance chasers who purport themselves to be the leaders of the civil rights movement. In contrast, the main source of well deserved criticism for Byrd's racist outburst came not from any of the so called leaders of the civil rights movement but from from Republican Majority Leader Dick Armey (source). The race hustlers Jackson, Mfume et al turned a blind eye towards this act of racism by one of their own party, at most issuing an unpublicized slap on the wrist, or, as was more often the case, making not a peep. But where the race hustlers turn a blind eye and spew their lies, it is up to conservatives to set the record straight with the truth.

In response to the growing practice of racial McCarthyism by prominent left wing Democrats, it is necessary to expose the truth about the Democrat Party's record on Civil Rights:


I. Acts of Bigotry by Prominent Democrats and Leftists:

Franklin Delano Roosevelt: Franklin Roosevelt, the long time hero and standard bearer of the Democrat Party, headed up and implemented one of the most horrible racist policies of the 20th Century - the Japanese Internment Camps during World War II. Roosevelt unilaterally and knowingly enacted Japanese Internment through the use of presidential Executive Orders 9066 and 9102 during the early years of the war. These orders single-handedly led to the imprisonment of an estimated 120,000 law abiding Americans of Japanese ancestry, the overwhelming majority of them natural born second and third generation American citizens. Countless innocents lost their property, fortunes, and, in the case of an unfortunate few, even their lives as a result of Roosevelt's internment camps, camps that have been accurately described as America's concentration camps. Perhaps most telling about the racist nature of Roosevelt's order was his clearly expressed intention to apply it almost entirely to Japanese Americans, even though America was also at war with Germany and Italy. In 1943, Roosevelt wrote regarding concerns of German and Italian Americans that they t0o would share in the fate of the interned Japanese Americans, noting that "no collective evacuation of German and Italian aliens is contemplated at this time." Despite this assertion, Roosevelt did exhibit his personal fears about Italian and German Americans, and in his typical racist form he used an ethnic stereotype to make his point.  Expressing about his position on German and Italian Americans during World War II, Roosevelt stated "I don't care so much about the Italians, they are a lot of opera singers, but the Germans are different. They may be dangerous."

Roosevelt also appointed two notorious segregationists to the United States Supreme Court. Roosevelt appointed South Carolina segregationist Democrat Jimmy Byrnes to the court. Roosevelt later made Byrnes a top advisor, where the segregationist earned the nickname "assistant president." Byrnes was Roosevelt's second choice behind Harry Truman for the VP nod in his 1944 reelection bid. Roosevelt also appointed segregationist Democrat Senator Hugo Black of Alabama to the court. Black was a former member of the Ku Klux Klan with a notorious record of racism himself.

Hugo Black: A former Democrat Senator from Alabama and liberal U.S. Supreme Court Justice appointed by FDR, Hugo Black had a lengthy history of hate group activism. Black was a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920's and gained his legal fame defending Klansmen under prosecution for racial murders. In one prominent case, Black provided legal representation to Klansman Edwin Stephenson for the hate-induced murder of a Catholic priest in Birmingham. A jury composed of several Klan members acquited Stephenson of the murder, reportedly after Black expressed Klan gestures to the jury during the trial. In 1926 Black sought and won election as a Democrat to the United States Senate after campaigning heavily to Klan membership. He is said to have told one Klan audience "I desire to impress upon you as representatives of the real Anglo-Saxon sentiment that must and will control the destinies of the stars and stripes, that I want your counsel." In the Senate Black became a stauch supporter of the liberal New Deal initiatives of FDR and a solid opponent of civil rights legislation, including a filibuster of an anti-lynching measure. Black led the push for several New Deal programs and was a key participant in FDR's court packing scandal. Roosevelt appointed Black, a loyal ally, to the U.S. Supreme Court. During the Senate confirmation of Black's nomination, the issue of his strong Klan affiliations caused a public controversy over his appointment. Following the confirmation Roosevelt claimed ignorance of Black's Klan past, though this claim was dubious at best. Black's first Senate election, which occurred with Klan support, had been covered nationally a decade earlier in 1926. Black's Klan affiliations were a well known part of his political background and recieved heavy coverage in the newspapers at the time of his appointment. On the court, Black became a liberal stalwart. He also continued his career of supporting racism by authoring the opinion in favor of FDR's Japanese internment program in the infamous Korematsu ruling.

Senator Robert Byrd, D-WV: Byrd is a former member of the Ku Klux Klan and is currently the only national elected official with a history in the Klan, a well known hate group. Byrd was extremely active in the Klan and rose to the rank of "Kleagle," an official Klan membership recruiter. Byrd once stated that he joined the Klan because it was effective in "promoting traditional American values" (Source). Byrd's choice of words speak volumes about his bigotry considering the fact that the Klan is a notorious hate group, and the racist "values" it promotes are anything but American. One of the earliest criticisms of Byrd's Klan ties came in 1952 when he was running for Congress. Byrd responded by claiming that he had left the Klan in 1943 while noting that "(d)uring the nine years that have followed, I have never been interested in the Klan." Byrd was lying, however, as he engaged in correspondence with a Klan Imperial Wizard long after he claims to have ended his ties with the hate group.

In a letter to the Klan leadership (Source) dated 3 years after he purported to have ended his ties with them, Byrd wrote "I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state. The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia." Byrd continued his racist diatribe "It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union" and followed with a request for assistance from the hate group's leadership in "rebuilding the Klan in the realm" of West Virginia.

Byrd's racism extends far beyond his Klan membership. In a letter he wrote on the subject of desegregating the armed forces, Byrd escalated his racist rhetoric to an appalling level. In the letter, Byrd vowed that he would never fight in an integrated armed services noting "(r)ather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds" (Source).

Byrd's racist opinions have shown their ugly face in his behavior in the Senate.  Byrd led the filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and, according to the United States Senate's own website, filibustered the legislation to the bitter end appearing as one of the last opponents to the act before a coalition of civil rights proponents led by Republican Minority Leader Everett Dirksen invoked cloture so that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 could pass. At the time, Byrd was in the the midst of a 14 hour and 13 minute filibuster diatribe against the key civil rights measure (Source).  Throughout the 1960's, Byrd was was one of the staunchest opponents to civil rights in the U.S. Senate. Byrd's racist history drew attention recently when he went on national television and repeatedly used the n-word, one of the most vicious racial slurs in existence, in an appearance on national television. Byrd uttered the slur on Fox News Sunday with Tony Snow on March 5, 2001. Despite the appalling nature of the remark, it went largely ignored by the mainstream media and the self appointed "civil rights" leadership. Whereas a similar remark by anyone other than a leading Democrat Senator would assuredly prompt the likes of Jesse Jackson to assemble protest rallies demanding resignations, the Jackson crowd was eerily quiet following Byrd's remarks, issuing only low key suggestions that Byrd should avoid making such bigoted remarks.

In a sickening recognition of Byrd's appalling political career, the national Democrat party has done nothing but embrace the West Virginia senator with leadership roles and practically every honor imaginable. To this very day the Democrats call former Klansman turned U.S. Senator Robert Byrd the "conscience of the Senate." They have embraced him as their party's central pillar in all ways possible. Byrd has been reelected more times than any other Democrat senator, has served as a Democrat in Congress, a Democrat State Senator in West Virginia, and a Democrat State Delegate in West Virginia. Democrats have made repeatedly elected Byrd into their national party leadership and into the U.S. Senate leadership. He became secretary of the Senate Democrat Caucus in 1967, and Senate Democrat Whip in 1971. The Democrats elected former Klansman Byrd as their Senate Majority Leader from 1977-1980 and as their Senate Minority Leader from 1981-1986. Byrd was again elected Democrat Majority Leader from 1987-1988. Democrats made Byrd the chairman of the powerful Appropriations Committee and President Pro Tempore of the Senate from 1989 until the Republicans won control of the Senate in November 1994. Following the defection of Jim Jeffords in June 2001, the Democrats again made Byrd the chairman of the Appropriations Committee and elected him to the highest ranking office in the Senate: the President Pro Tempore, a position which also put this former Klansman 4th in line for the presidency. Byrd lost his position when Republicans retook the Senate in late 2002, but continues to serve as one of the highest ranking members of the Democrat Senate leadership today.

Senator Ernest Hollings, D-SC: Hollings is liberal Democrat Senator from South Carolina who is also notorious for his use of racial slurs. He rose out of the Democrat Party's segregationist wing in the 1960's as governor of South Carolina. While in office as governor, Hollings personally led the opposition to lunch counter integration in his state. The New York Times reported on March 17, 1960 that then-governor Hollings "warned today that South Carolina would not permit 'explosive' manifestations in connection with Negro demands for lunch-counter services." According to the article, Hollings gave a speech in which he "challenged President Eisenhower's contention that minorities had the right to engage in certain types of demonstrations" against segregation. In the speech Hollings described the Republican president as "confused" and asserted that Eisenhower had done "great damage to peace and good order" by supporting the rights of minorities to protest segregation at the lunch counters.

Governor Hollings' support for segregation continued throughout his term and included his attendance at a July 23, 1961 meeting of segregationist Democrats to organize their opposition to the civil rights movement. Hollings was one of four governors in attendence, all of them Democrats. The others included rabid segregationists Orval Faubus of Arkansas and Ross Barnett of Mississippi. The New York Times reported on the meeting, noting that among the strategies discussed were using the segregationist White Citizens Council organization to mobilize political opposition to desegregation.

In more recent years Hollings, a senior Democrat senator, has made disparaging racial remarks and slurs against minorities. Senator Hollings, who was a contender for his party's presidential nomination in 1984, blamed his defeat in the primaries by using a racial slur against Hispanics. After losing the Iowa Straw Poll, Hollings stated "You had wetbacks from California that came in here for Cranston," referring to one of his opponents, Alan Cranston. A few years later Hollings reportedly used the slur "darkies" to derogatorily refer to blacks. He also once disparagingly referred to the Rainbow PUSH Coalition as the "Blackbow Coalition," and called former Senator Howard Metzenbaum, who is Jewish, "the Senator from B'nai B'rith." Hollings gained international criticism for his remarks about the African Delegation to the 1993 Geneva GATT conference, where he crudely remarked "you'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva." Hollings was also the Governor of South Carolina who raised the confederate flag over the state capitol in the early 1960's in what was considered at the time to be an act of defiance to civil rights. The press ignored Hollings and his role in the flag issue at the same time the political correctness police were smearing George W. Bush during his campaign after Bush correctly remarked that the flag was a state issue to be decided upon by South Carolina and not the national government.

Jesse Jackson: Jackson was the featured prime time speaker at the 2000 Democrat Convention. Jackson has a history of using anti-Semitic slurs and derogatorily calling New York City "Hymietown." Jackson, a prominent self proclaimed "civil rights leader," is himself guilty of the same bigotry he dishonestly purports to oppose.

Dan Rather: Rather,  the well known television anchor for CBS, is also a liberal Democrat who has spoken at fundraisers for the Democrat party in the past. The notoriously left wing reporter appeared on the Don Imus radio show on July 19, 2001 where he was interviewed about his long term refusal to cover the Gary Condit (D-CA) scandal involving an affair with a missing intern despite the scandal's national prominence. Rather noted on the air that CBS had basically forced him to cover the story that was on every other network and on the front page of all the major newspapers, all this after Rather avoided it for months. Rather stated on the air, refering to CBS, that "they got the Buckwheats" and made him cover the Condit scandal. The term "Buckwheat" is considered an offensive racial stereotype that stems from an easily frightened black character named "Buckwheat" on the Little Rascals comedies.  It is widely regarded as a racial epithet and has long been condemned as an offensive stereotype by several civil rights organizations. In several past incidents (see here and here) the use of the epithet "Buckwheat" has recieved condemnation by the NAACP, Al Sharpton and other left wing organizations. These left wing organizations and personalities have demanded that other media personalities be fired over using the epithet, and even staged a protest at a school over the mere allegation that the racist stereotype had been used by a teacher. Yet these same liberal groups have, to date, remained completely silent now that one of their own, Dan Rather, is guilty of using the same offensive racial stereotype they have condemned elsewhere on a national radio show. It's just more proof of how the left wingers who cry the loudest with accusations of racism against others turn a blind eye when somebody of their own left wing ideology is the undeniable culprit of a blatantly racist act or statement!

Cragg Hines: Hines is one of the most rabidly partisan DC based Democrat editorial columnists to work for a major newspaper, and he makes no attempts to hide it. To Hines, pro-lifers are "neanderthals," as is often the case with those who differ in opinion with him.  Ironically, Hines, a columnist who regularly touts himself as an enlightened progressive, is also known for racial remarks and religious intolerance. He attacked Senator Jesse Helms in an August 26, 2001 editorial with not only the usual liberal name calling, but also with a racial epithet. Hines used the racial slur "cracker" to attack Helms. He used the epithet not only within the article's text, but he even included it in the piece's title. In a sense of heavy irony, Hines' article accused Helms of bigotry for, among other things, opposing liberal policies like affirmative action. He didn't seem to object to himself for his own bigotted language in the same article. Hines has also drawn heavy criticism from Catholics including a letter to the editor from the former President of the U.S. Catholic Bishop's Conference for his seemingly agenda-driven criticisms of Catholicism and its religious leaders, often based on little or no historical evidence, which he has expressed in numerous editorial columns.

Al Sharpton: Sharpton, a perrenial Democrat candidate and one of the rumored candidates for the Democrat's 2004 presidential nomination, has a notorious racist past. Sharpton was a central figure who fanned the 1991 Crown Heights race riot, where a mob shouting anti-semetic slurs murdered an innocent Jewish man. Sharpton also incited a 1995 protest of a Jewish owned store in Harlem where protesters used several anti-semetic slurs. During the protests, a Sharpton lieutenant called the store's owner a "bloodsucker" and declared an intent to "loot the Jews." A member of the protest mob later set fire to the store, resulting in the death of seven (source).

Representative Dick Gephardt, D-MO: Gephardt, the former Democrat Minority Leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, gave several speeches to a St. Louis area hate group during his early years as a representative. According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Gephardt spoke before the Metro South Citizens Council, a now defunct white supremacist organization, during his early years as a congressman. Newsmax.com further reported that Gephardt had openly asked the group for an endorsement of his candidacy during one of his many visits with the organization. Gephardt has long avoided questions about his past affiliation with this group.

Andrew Cuomo: Cuomo, Bill Clinton's former Housing Secretary and a prominent Democrat political player in New York, was tape recorded using racially inflamatory rhetoric to build opposition to a potential Democrat primary opponent while speaking to a Democrat group. Cuomo stated that voting for his rival for the New York Democrat gubernatorial nomination Carl McCall, who is black, would create a "racial contract" between Black and Hispanic Democrats  "and that can't happen." Upon initial reports, Cuomo denied the statement but later a tape recording surfaced. Cuomo later dropped out of the race for governor (source).

Lee P. Brown: Brown, Bill Clinton's former drug czar and Democrat mayor of Houston, engaged in racist campaigning designed to suppress Hispanic voter turnout during his 2001 reelection bid. Brown faced challenger Orlando Sanchez, a Hispanic Republican who drew heavy support from the Hispanic community during the general election. Two weeks prior to the runoff, Brown's campaign printed racist signs designed to intimidate Hispanic voters. The signs featured a photograph of Sanchez and the words "Anti-Hispanic." The signs drew harsh criticism from Hispanic leaders as their message was designed to intimidate and confuse Hispanic voters. Around the same time the signs were being used, Brown supporter and city councilman Carol Alvarado made a series of racially charged attacks on Sanchez, implying a desire to see the supression of Hispanic voter turnout in the runoff. Brown staffers also went on record claiming that Sanchez was not a true Hispanic. The racist anti-Hispanic undertones of Brown's reelection bid were so great that liberal Democrat city councilman John Castillo, himself Hispanic, retracted his endorsement of Brown in disgust and became a Sanchez supporter in the final week of the campaign. Following the harsh condemnation of the racist signs and tactics, Brown purported that his campaign was removing them even though many still lingered around Houston up until the election. When election day came along, Brown placed more of the racist signs at polling places, despite his claim to have stopped using them. The large campaign billboard style election day signs featured, in Spanish, the word "Danger!" on them followed by Sanchez's name with a large red circle and slash through it. The signs identified the Brown campaign as their owner on the bottom. Brown's racially charged reelection effort barely squeeked by Sanchez on election day, winning 51% to 49% following a series of racially motivated advertisements in which the Brown campaign appealed to the fear of black voters by invoking images of the gruesome lynching death of James Byrd, Jr. and by attempting to pit them against Hispanics. While Brown had the audacity to declare himself a mayor for all people and all ethnicities at his victory party, many in Houston fear the racial wounds inflicted by his campaign will take years to heal.

Mary Frances Berry: Berry is the Democrat chair of the US Commission on Civil Rights (USCCR). She purports herself to be an "independent" in her political affiliation in order to hold her job on the civil rights commission where partisan membership may not exceed 4 for either party, but is in fact a dedicated liberal Democrat who openly supported Al Gore for president and has given a total of $20,000 in personal contributions to the Democrat Party, Al Gore for President, and other Democrat candidates over the last decade. Berry is an open racist who is affiliated with the far-left Pacifica radio network, a group with ties to black nationalist causes. Berry once stated "Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them," indicating that she believes the USCCR should only look out for civil rights violations against persons of certain select skin colors.

Billy McKinney: Former Democrat State Representative Billy McKinney of Georgia, who is also the father of former Democrat congresswoman Cynthia McKinney of the same state. During his daughter's failed 2002 reelection bid, McKinney appeared on television where he blamed his daughter's difficulties on a Jewish conspiracy. McKinney unleashed a string of anti-semitic sentiments, stating "This is all about the Jews" and spelling out "J-E-W-S." McKinney lost his own seat in a runoff a few weeks later.

The Democrat Party and the Ku Klux Klan: Aside from the multiple Klan members who have served in elected capacity within the high ranks of the Democrat Party, the political party itself has a lengthy but often overlooked history of involvement with the Ku Klux Klan. Though it has been all but forgotten by the media, the Democrat National Convention of 1924 was host to one of the largest Klan gatherings in American history. Dubbed the "Klanbake convention" at the time, the 1924 Democrat National Convention in New York was dominated by a platform dispute surrounding the Ku Klux Klan. A minority of the delegates to the convention attempted to condemn the hate group in the party's platform, but found their proposal shot down by Klan supporters within the party. As delegates inside the convention voted in the Klan's favor, the Klan itself mobilized a celebratory rally outside. On July 4, 1924 one of the largest Klan gatherings ever occurred outside the convention on a field in nearby New Jersey. The event was marked by speakers spewing racial hatred, celebrations of their platform victory in the Democrat Convention, and ended in a cross burning.


II. Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Movement:

A little known fact of history involves the heavy opposition to the civil rights movement by several prominent Democrats. Similar historical neglect is given to the important role Republicans played in supporting the civil rights movement. A calculation of 26 major civil rights votes from 1933 through the 1960's civil rights era shows that Republicans favored civil rights in approximately 96% of the votes, whereas the Democrats opposed them in 80% of the votes! These facts are often intentionally overlooked by the left wing Democrats for obvious reasons. In some cases, the Democrats have told flat out lies about their shameful record during the civil rights movement.

Democrat Senators organized the record Senate filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Included among the organizers were several prominent and well known liberal Democrat standard bearers including:
- Robert Byrd, current senator from West Virginia
- J. William Fulbright, Arkansas senator and political mentor of Bill Clinton
- Albert Gore Sr., Tennessee senator, father and political mentor of Al Gore. Gore Jr. has been known to lie about his father's opposition to the Civil Rights Act.
- Sam Ervin, North Carolina senator of Watergate hearings fame
- Richard Russell, famed Georgia senator and later President Pro Tempore

The complete list of the 21 Democrats who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 includes Senators:

- Hill and Sparkman of Alabama
- Fulbright and McClellan of Arkansas
- Holland and Smathers of Florida
- Russell and Talmadge of Georgia
- Ellender and Long of Louisiana
- Eastland and Stennis of Mississippi
- Ervin and Jordan of North Carolina
- Johnston and Thurmond of South Carolina
- Gore Sr. and Walters of Tennessee
- H. Byrd and Robertson of Virginia
- R. Byrd of West Virginia

Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Act was substantial enough to literally split the party in two. A whopping 40% of the House Democrats VOTED AGAINST the Civil Rights Act, while 80% of Republicans SUPPORTED it. Republican support in the Senate was even higher. Similar trends occurred with the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was supported by 82% of House Republicans and 94% of Senate Republicans. The same Democrat standard bearers took their normal racists stances, this time with Senator Fulbright leading the opposition effort.

It took the hard work of Republican Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen and Republican Whip Thomas Kuchel to pass the Civil Rights Act (Dirksen was presented a civil rights accomplishment award for the year by the head of the NAACP in recognition of his efforts). Upon breaking the Democrat filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Republican Dirksen took to the Senate floor and exclaimed "The time has come for equality of opportunity in sharing in government, in education, and in employment. It will not be stayed or denied. It is here!" (Full text of speech). Sadly, Democrats and revisionist historians have all but forgotten (and intentionally so) that it was Republican Dirksen, not the divided Democrats, who made the Civil Rights Act a reality. Dirksen also broke the Democrat filibuster of the 1957 Civil Rights Act that was signed by Republican President Eisenhower.

Outside of Congress, the three most notorious opponents of school integration were all Democrats:
- Orval Faubus, Democrat Governor of Arkansas and one of Bill Clinton's political heroes
- George Wallace, Democrat Governor of Alabama
- Lester Maddox, Democrat Governor of Georgia

The most famous of the school desegregation standoffs involved Governor Faubus. Democrat Faubus used police and state forces to block the integration of a high school in Little Rock, Arkansas. The standoff was settled and the school was integrated only after the intervention of Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Even the Democrat Party organization resisted integration and refused to allow minority participation for decades. Exclusion of minorities was the general rule of the Democrat Party of many states for decades, especially in Texas. This racist policy reached its peak under the New Deal in the southern and western states, often known as the New Deal Coalition region of FDR. The Supreme Court in Nixon v. Herndon declared the practice of "white primaries" unconstitutional in 1927 after states had passed laws barring Blacks from participating in Democrat primaries. But the Democrat Parties did not yield to the Court's order. After Nixon v. Herndon, Democrats simply made rules within the party's individual executive committees to bar minorities from participating, which were struck down in Nixon v. Condon in 1932. The Democrats, in typical racist fashion, responded by using state parties to pass rules barring blacks from participation. This decision was upheld in Grovey v. Townsend, which was not overturned until 1944 by Smith v. Allwright. The Texas Democrats responded with their usual ploys and turned to what was known as the "Jaybird system" which used private Democrat clubs to hold white-only votes on a slate of candidates, which were then transferred to the Democrat party itself and put on their primary ballot as the only choices. Terry v. Adams overturned the Jaybird system, prompting the Democrats to institute blocks of unit rule voting procedures as well as the infamous literacy tests and other Jim Crow regulations to specifically block minorities from participating in their primaries. In the end, it took 4 direct Supreme Court orders to end the Democrat's "white primary" system, and after that it took countless additional orders, several acts of Congress, and a constitutional amendment to tear down the Jim Crow codes that preserved the Democrat's white primary for decades beyond the final Supreme Court order ruling it officially unconstitutional.

Hispanics in South Texas were treated especially poorly by the Democrat Party, which relied heavily on a system of political bosses to coerce and intimidate Hispanics into voting for Democrat primary candidates of choice. Though coercion is illegal, this system, known as the Patron system, is still in use to this day by local Democrat parties in some heavy Hispanic communities of the southwest.


The next time Democrats take to the national airwaves to dishonestly accuse Republicans of racial hatred, remember who the historical record up until this very day points to as the real bigots: The Democrat Party. In all possible ways, the Democrat Party is built around the pillars of ultra leftists, many of whom are known participants in racism and/or affiliates of racist hate groups. Consider the Democrat Party of today's heroes and leaders:

- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Democrat icon and orchestrator of Japanese Internment
- Ex-House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, former affiliate of a St. Louis area racist group
- Ex-Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Byrd, former Ku Klux Klansman known for making bigoted slurs on national television
- Rev. Jesse Jackson, Democrat keynote speaker and race hustler known for making anti-Semitic slurs
- Rev. Al Sharpten, Democrat activist and perennial candidate and race hustler known inciting anti-Semitic violence in New York City
- Sen. Ernest Hollings, leading Democrat Senator known for use of racial slurs against several minority groups
- Lee P. Brown, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat mayor of Houston who won reelection using racial intimidation against Hispanic voters
- Andrew Cuomo, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat candidate for NY Governor who made racist statements about a black opponent.
- Dan Rather, Democrat CBS news anchor and editorialist known for using anti-black racial epithets on a national radio broadcast
- Donna Brazile, former Gore campaign manager known for making anti-white racial attacks. Brazile has also worked for Jackson, Gephardt, and Michael Dukakis

The simple truth is that the Democrat Party's history during this century is one closely aligned to bigotry in a record stemming largely out of the liberal New Deal era up until the modern day. Bigots are at the center of the Democrat party's current leadership and role models. And in a striking display of hypocrisy, many of the same Democrats who dishonestly shout accusations of "bigotry" at conservatives are practicing bigots of the most disgusting and disreputable kind themselves.

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Simon et al, I was talking about the republican party that we all know and love to hate, and I think you know that.  NOT the one of Abraham Lincoln.  We could go back several hundred years and find examples to support our points.  Current modern day republicans do not have the best interests of minorities in their agenda.  Afterall, minorities SUCK money out of the federal coffers in the form of assistance, money that belongs to YOU because you worked to make it, disregarding the fact that we are all part of "one" country and we are all responsible for the well being of the collective people, thus YOUR money, or a portion of it, is OUR money.

WOW Bill I just love the way you word things to fit your agenda.  FDR the "orchestrator".  Somehow I seem to remember it wasn't exactly like that.  You forgot to add Bob Allen republican of VA for his "macaca" remark to a guy of Indian descent. Oh and Rush Limpdick, and his borderline racist remarks.  Gosh the list is just too long for me to put to paper.  But you get my point.

BTW guys, its the DEMOCRATIC party NOT the democrat party.  Oh wait, you got that one from dubya.  ROFLMOA!

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Terry - I believe my comments were said to Israel. I thought you had a problem with people inserting themselves into other people's conversations even though this is a public forum and in the words of this group's founder - "Dissent is a group formed to discuss and debate social, political and economic issues"? Didn't you actually threaten me over this issue?

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Bill- Like I said, it would be very easy for me to cut and paste an article that lists every act of racism attributed to the Republican party. But, it would be a waste of time. 11% of blacks are registered as Republicans. 11%. Clearly there is a disconnect between black voters and the Republican Party. Whatever the truth of the matter, blacks perceive Republicans as not looking out for their interests.
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Simon-Great interview. Root is right up my alley. I like the fact that he is fiscally conservative and against legislating morality. I like his idea about not taxing citizens once they reach 55. Good stuff.
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Pleased you enjoyed it Israel. I am honored that he chose it to put on his website. He's a good man I think. I agree with him more than I disagree with him.
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Simon-I liked your interview style. You asked the question, and then actually allowed him to answer it. Most talk show hosts these days like to interupt and not allow there guests the opportunity to fully state their position.
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Israel:

Exactly my point.  With decades of Democrats lying regarding Republican racism is it any wonder?

Whatever isolated instances of Republican racism you can find, I am sure the Dems actions of racism have certainly trumped it.

I find the Democrat party's acts of racism absolutely repulsive and downright disgusting.  I agree with Terry when she said,  "If I were black I certainly wouldnt vote for a party that has had a concerted effort in the past to supress me!"  I would vote Republican.

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Sorry Simon, I got you confuse with someone who cares.

Bill, gee calling Democrats "liars" is kinda like calling the kettle black, isn't it?

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Oh Terry - I care passionately about this country. I care that the Founders' vision for it has been eroded over the years. I care that there is a real chance we could elect a socialist as our President. I care about the lies that are spread by liberals in order to justify what is clearly a rediculous position.
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Simon-The Founding Fathers vision has been eroding for the last 100 years. It started with Woodrow Wilson and continues to the present day. Liberals and Conservatives lie in equal amounts. Liberals whole spiel is about how the government can solve everything and they can be trusted to look after the best interests of the poor and working class. Republican lies concern being fiscally responsible and guardians of family values. In reality, neither party lives up to it's own hype. They are both just figureheads for their powerful friends who dwell behind the scenes. They are put into office with the express goal of enriching whichever corporate interest they represent. Nothing ever really changes. 
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Bill - I am not sure of the "true conservatism" you are referring to that this country was founded upon. I don't think you could call Jefferson or Franklin, or many others, conservative.

Terry - are you saying that anyone that wants to move people off of various so called entitlements and enable them to be productive on their own is racist? Is that the only reason you hate the republican party (of which I am not a member nor supporter)? You are against making people self sufficient because that is racist? Are you aware that the majority of republicans (based upon so called red state vs blue state demographics) have lower per capital income yet share a higher percentage of that income with charities?

Read Larry Elder, read Walter Williams, read Thomas Sowell. As black men see how they feel about the democratic (oops, let me capitalize that for you) Democratic and republican parties (they have their problems with both).

It is interesting that the democrats (damn, I keep forgetting) Democrats always bring in the race card when someone disagrees with any of their policies. In the 2000 election, that's how Big Al made sure he didn't get my vote (I was undecided as to who would be worse, Al or George, at the time) till he went pandering to the NAACP and called republicans racist for wanting to use actual census counts rather than statistical analysis of population to determine racial demographics. It is interesting how Democrats say that requiring a photo ID to vote is racist. You need one to cash a check in most places, is that racist?

Israel - yes, for some strange reason African Americans do see the democrats, wrongly, as looking out more for their interests. Democratic party politics and policies have done nothing to lift minorities, to enable minorities to move forward, to improve their economic positions, to build businessess, etc. They have done nothing to improve education, especially in minority school districts. Sure, they have raised taxes and spent more money, but, to no (or extremely little) benifit. Ah, but as long as the taxes are perceived to come from the "rich", people are ok.

Bill - nice comprehensive list. There could be a list of republicans also, but, not quite as long. Does the name Jesse Helms ring a bell?

And, this blog just backs up my perception that the U.S. is not truly ready to elect a black President, or a woman president, or a male president, or a Mormon, because too many people focus on those attributes rather than the true quality of the candidate.

 

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Mike-You are right. If we really want to help out the black community, handing out welfare to keep them quiet is not the way to do it. I firmly believe that since the blacks in this country didn't start being treated fairly until 30 or so years ago, they need some help to catch up. We need to spend more money on community development and improving the schools in the urban areas to give them a better chance at competing in the workplace. I know this is happening, but not on the scale it needs to. As a whole, our education system has become an embarassment. We are ranking near the bottom of all first world countries in many major catagories.
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Israel, I am not sure who the "we" are you are referring to. As spending more money, I disagree. The Federal government has thrown trillions of dollars at the problems with nothing to show for it. Spending trillions more will have the same results. (Hmmmm, what's that definition of crazy, doing the same thing over & over and expecting a different outcome?).

We need to spend wisely, which, the government (regardless of level) is not doing.

The best efforts have been made at the local, grass roots level. Parents getting together and doing bottoms up initiatives. Charter schools, etc. The U.S. spends more dollars per student than any other developed country, and, as you said, is continuing to decline in comparison to those other nations, regarding quality of education.

Unfortunately, there are some government and union entities that do not want the schools improved if it weakens their strangleholds on the education system.

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Mike:

Did you say race card?

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Wow, I post a blog and come back to 40+ comments!  I will try to respond to a number of the comments and see if I can return the blog to its original subject. 
 
Hugh - What an interesting background you were raised in, although I clearly see you as conservative and religious, I have not yet seen anything to suggest you have racist tendencies.  You're right about people being scared of what they don't understand and we will not succeed in discussion with the biggest racists being the ones to participate.  It's important to have all types involved - and I feel it's important to get such discussion underway sooner than later given that we're supposed to be in a country that transcends such attitudes.  Thanks for commenting. 
 
Mike - I disagree with the idea that there is no difference in importance whether one is voting for someone because of race or not voting for someone because of race.  We strive for a society where race is not an issue and in such a...shall we say utopian world, yes, you would be correct.  But we're not there yet.  Some people do have a certain comfort level with "their own kind" hence my adaptation of the notion of 'acceptable racial preference'.  I can delineate people who aren't opposed to other races but feel safer(?) with their own from those who flat out would not vote for another race.  They are not the same people to me.
While the press might have a hand in perpetuating issues that shouldn't be in the discussion (such as race), there is more that's needed for eradication.  I believe education is a start   .  .   
 
Bill - I'm not sure how you come up with a lemmings analogy and it is rather distasteful.  There is no surprise nor objection that blacks tend to vote for Dems, but I'm not sure how that statement relates to this blog.  The topic is about race and racism as factors in elections.
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Terry - Mike also mentioned the media and I can't disagree with either of you.  I do want to point out that while this blog was inspired out of the PA Primary, it the poll results aren't relegated to just Pennsylvania, this behavior has gone on for much longer and it likely will continue more.  BTW, I agree with you on the lemmings statement. 
 
Israel - You are right on with, "racism is going to play a part in an election in this country" - particularly the general election.  My next political blog is going to address another facet of racism in elections.  Thanks for posting.
 
John - That speaks for your character as far as judging a person on race.  Unfortunately, not everyone can (or does) do that.  Thanks for commenting.
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Simon, and just who do you think skewed the vision of our Founding Fathers?  Go ahead, blame it on the liberals.  According to you everything that is wrong with this country is our fault.  However, I'd like to remind you that the current situation we are in, was done soley by a lying conservative, doing his part to reorder the world.  But thats OK because the goal is to get rid of the middle class and I assume you have not yet amassed such a fortune to be able to call yourself "rich" so you will go down with the rest of us.
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Tchaka:

What?

Didn't you ask the question in your title, "Would you vote for a WHITE candidate for President?" 

Doesn't your question ask about voting preference or voting habits?

Don't try to act like I'm off topic.  As for the distastefulness of it.  I think it's very distasteful when 92% + of any particular race votes a straight party line.  And you don't get the lemmings connection?  I thought you were smarter than that.  Do I need to break it down for you?  I answered your question and now you claim an answer is distasteful?  How do most answers taste?  I never ate one.

The only other time there is this high of a percentage of any people voting one way in an election it is when the people are enslaved under a dictatorship type of government.  Is the Black community enslaved to the Democrat party?

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Tchaka, speaking of lemmings, I wonder which one of the people who commented above will vote for a black or a democrat?
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No Bill, it doesn't really ask whether you would vote for a white candidate.  I'm not acting like you're off topic, i'm TELLING you you're off topic.  This blog isn't about blacks voting Dem., but I shouldn't be surprised by your comment since it's not the first time you've misunderstood a blog.    
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Terry - I'm ok with someone not voting a candidate because s/he is a Democrat.  Not voting because the person is black is whole different ballgame (but is within the confines of the subject of this blog!!!).
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Tchaka- Think we could just get Alan Keyes and make everyone happy.
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Tchaka:

You said on this post:

"Of the 91% of blacks who are voting for Obama, how many would vote for a white candidate?  I don't know the answer, but what I can tell you is that up to 100% of those who have voted in a presidential election in the past have voted for a white person. "

Then you said "This blog isn't about blacks voting Dem.,"

Excuse me.  I thought Barack Obama was a Democrat.   

I think you are the one that has a reading comprehension problem, not I.

 

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That is correct Bill, it isn't about blacks voting Dem.  If you really need me to I'll break it down for you, but it seems you're the only one seeing this as a 'black voting Dem' issue as opposed to the topic of the blog which is about race and racism in voting preference.

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Tchaka:

You don't see racism when 92% of a race votes for one party?  I can't believe you don't think racism plays a role when that large of a percentage of a group of people vote for a particular party.  Open your eyes.

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Hugh - A white (or other non-black) person who votes for Alan Keyes does not fit in the "racism" part of the blog.  How viable a candidate he is, I'm not sure.  To be fair, I haven't studied the guy much.  It would be interesting to see what percentage would not vote for him due to race.  
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Bill - if you can find a way to define a political party as a race, then you might have a point.  If you continue down this road of argument, I am going to have a lot of fun.  I'm thinking we stick to the point of my blog.
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Tchaka - I can see with all these comments how you might have missed my original point so here it is again.

Tchaka - it is certainly a problem, but it isn't helped when you yourself talk about "the hiccup of Rev Wright". This is WAY more than a hiccup. This is a man with pure hatred in his heart. This is a racist. This is a man who Obama kept as his close confidant for 20 years. And if that wasn't enouggh, the specific church believes in "black liberation theology". If all that wasn't enough, then we have Rev Meeks - a homophobic racist who is part of the Obama inner circle. Race has become an issue because of who and what Obama associates himself with. Then there is the other side of the coin. My radio producer is black. We have had on the air discussions about this. He has said on the air that he and his entire family will vote for Obama BECAUSE he is black - for no other reason. This discussion came about as part of our discussion on the 40th anniversary of MLK's assassination. I asked if his dream had been realized and was shocked to discover that from a black perspective, it had not. My producer told me he didn't know a black person who would not vote for Obama based on his skin color. We have a long way to go.

Finally I agree with a point being made frequently here - we have 300 million people in this country and these were the best three? THAT is truly scary!

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Simon - I have not missed your original point.  I just haven't gotten there yet.  I was in the process of addressing comments when I got sidetracked.  Your turn is coming.  :-) 

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Tchaka - either way the vote is determined by race, there is no difference. Do you really believe that there is any difference between a black person voting for Obama because he is black is really any different than a white person voting for Hilary or McCain because they are more comfortable with someone of their own race? They are both racially driven.  About the only difference I can see is that somehow, the person voting for McCain would be accused of racism and the one's voting for Hilary or Obama would be rationalized away by the left.

I will not vote for Obama because of his wrong headed policy proposals that will help destroy this country. On the other hand, if JC Watts was running, I would vote for him, in a heartbeat, over any of the current batch. I am sure that someone can find a reason for that statement to be racist.

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Simon:

Your producer and his family voting for Obama just because he is Black is an example of the racism I was trying to explain to Tchaka and he wasn't able to comprehend it.

Maybe Tchaka understands my point now.   I wonder if Tchaka was raised to believe that racism can never be coming from a Black onto a White.  This might explain why he can't see it.

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Simon:

Yes, truly scary.

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Mike:

I am with you.  Wouldn't it be neat if J.C. Watts ran with McCain?  At least we could inject some real conservatism into the ticket.

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Bill - he's a nice guy - my producer - and we have some spirited discussions on the air. This was however, the only time he has been able to shock me. I was almost lost for words - well maybe for a split second! :)
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No Mike, you are describing equal events; racially driven events that I have classified under 'ARP'.  What I'm pointing out as racism is the black who would not vote for a white person or the white person who would not vote for a black person.  Note: races other than white or black can be inserted (depending on candidates).

How do you feel about someone who shares your political views but won't vote for JC Watts because he's black (if he were running)?

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Simon:

It's hard to imagine you being at a loss for words.  He probably is a nice guy.  I think sometimes people do things that are racist without realizing it.

Ask him what he would think if you told him you were going to vote for McCain solely because he is white.

10:28pm • #65
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Tchaka:

What you have described to Mike is exactly what is happening with Black voters.  They are voting for Obama because he is black.

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Would you vote a white candidate for President?

The title is asking a question, isn't it?

 

Would you vote for a white candidate or black, but what belongs here is the liberal mindset of the core belief that government is god, and those who worship this kind of god which hands out gifts for obedience to the faith cannot convert to another religion for fear they will be cut off.

Say what you will about George Bush, there are more blacks in his cabinet than Clinton ever had.

 

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Nick:

Clinton had many Blacks in his cabinet.  In his kitchen cabinet.

10:39pm • #68
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Nick:

I guess I didn't give Tchaka the mind numbed left winged liberal answer to his asinine question, so he decided to reprimand me.

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Terry - Referring back to your earlier point - the parties are Republican and Democrat - not Democratic. It's a common mistake often made by people who don't know better. Given your frequent forays into ideology, I'm surprised you don't. Maybe a day or two of Rush would do you some good - open the blood flow to the brain a little.

Would I vote a white candidate for President?Yes I would. In fact I will probably hold my nose and vote for one in November. I would not vote for a candidate who has no qualifications, who would further raise my taxes, who would steal my capital gains & inheritance, who would commit me to a 'global warming' course that has been disproven time and again and who would weaken our national defense and hold unilateral discussion with terrorists - regardless of whether the candidate was white, black, yellow, male, female, whatever. I have voted AGAINST plenty of white candidates in the past who didn't measure up and will continue to do so. I would also have no problem voting for a Black or Female candidate if I could support their views.

Good topic.

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I would NEVER vote for  the color or body parts a person has or doesn't have.  All I hear from women is they like hillary because she has a "who who" and from minorities because obama is black.  I call THAT racist and sexist.  I have yet to hear a conservative say they would not vote for anyone solely because of race or sex.

Obama will not be president because of his Weather Underground ties, his racist "pastor" and his fundraising for terrorist muslim groups.

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Larry:

5 Reasons NOT to vote for Obama

Ayres, Rezko, Wright, Michelle Obama and Larry SinClair.

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No Mike, you are describing equal events; racially driven events that I have classified under 'ARP'.  What I'm pointing out as racism is the black who would not vote for a white person or the white person who would not vote for a black person.  Note: races other than white or black can be inserted (depending on candidates).

How do you feel about someone who shares your political views but won't vote for JC Watts because he's black (if he were running)?

Tchaka - by your analogy, helping somebody because of their skin color would be racist, not helping because of their skin color would not be racist.

As for someone sharing my political views but not voting for Watts because he is black, well 2 answers.

1) well, that would be racist

2) that person may share some of my political views, but certainly not my value driven views (even some liberals share some of my political views).

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Bill- Those are 5 good reasons, I just cant wait to be called a racist for not voting for him.
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Larry:

What I find interesting is how the main stream media and the Obamanites have tried to re-define racism to be if you say anything against Obama.

The irony here is when you have 92% or more of Blacks voting for a Black candidate because of the color of his skin.   Now that is truly racism. 

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Race has nothing to do with this election. It has all to do with who is the best choice for president, OR, maybe who is the lesser of the two evils. I would hope that who ever gets voted in as the next president will have the courage to stand up and defend the US Constitution and follow the Constitution and not the action groups.
8:42am • #76

Terry,

I would say your comment to me has been covered.  Sorry, I am just able to get back on here.  Forget about Republicans and Democrats for a minute.  Those are bad words to describe someone.  I am a conservative!  I am NOT a liberal!

Now, I know liberal Republicans and I know conservative Democrats.  The majority of conservatives are Republicans and the majority of liberals are Democrats, I guess.  So, in any election, I need to vote for the people who are as conservative as me or as close to that as can be.  I will never vote for a liberal period!  They do not think like me or act like me or have the same values, mind set, etc....

It is sad where both parties are right now!

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Frank:

We know what Obama is about.

He is about Socialism, big government, higher taxes, pro-abortion, pro-sodomite life styles, weaker National security, open borders, racist policies, steal from the haves and give to the have nots (Marxism), supporting Muslim extremists, cut and run in Iraq.  This is change alright.  Change we can ill afford.

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I do not care if a person is rich or poor, white or black, male or female. Issues are what matter. I would vote for JC Watts or Colin Powell in a heartbeat. Dr. Keyes would also get my vote. Secretary Rice, although not that experienced, would probably be more level headed and conservative than any of the 3 current candidates.

To answer Tchaka's question, I would vote for a white candidate. They would have to be very conservative, both fiscally and socially. A true capitalist. They would need a good management track record. They need to prove to me how they would deal with keeping my family safe and keeping our economy strong. A good candidate for me would be able to stand up against both Congress and the media. Basically I want a President who will fight for good old conservative values.

Whatever color or sex the President is does not matter to me.

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Gene, you're wrong.  I am a DEMOCRAT and I belong to the DEMOCRATIC party.

Pro-sodomite lifestyles.  Kinda like the leader of the Mormon cult in Texas, or maybe the pastor just arrested in Texas, or how bout Ted Haggard, or even Jimmy Swaggard, and lets not forget all those priests who molested little boys all those many years.  I think maybe those were "your" guys, religious, god-fearing, conservatives. 

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Kevin:

I am with you on voting for J.C. Watts or Alan Keyes.  I could not vote for Powell or Rice or anyone else who wants to promote racial quotas.

 

 

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Terry:

Take another toke.  You have no idea who "my" guys are.  And of the "guys" you used as examples, who is running for President?

The answer is None.

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Bill you about Powell and Rice and quotas. I am very against quotas of any kind but would vote for a candidate if I only disagree on few issues. I figure that I will never find a 100% candidate.

Does anyone know what Terry is talking about? I don't mean to attack her, but can you say "left field"?

9:37am • #83

Kevin,

Yes I can say LEFT FIELD!

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I think Colin Powell is the only person of color who could really supercede the racial barrier. Most Americans of both parties seem to profess admiration for the man. I, myself, used to really like him. His lie filled speech Bush forced him to make to the U.N. somewhat cooled my ardor.
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Israel:

I don't see Powell as superceding any racial barriers.  Powell is pro racial quotas.  That, my friend is not transcending racial barriers. He would be promoting racism through racial quotas.

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Bill- The racial barrier I am speaking of, is the one that keeps people from voting for someone of a different race. Colin Powell is more of a moderate than Obama is. He appeals to both parties.
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It sounds like the "racial barrier" that you speak of is more of an idealogical barrier. I like JC Watts.

1:15pm • #88
Kevin-Obama is a hard person to use to gauge anything really. He is so far left that even moderate Dems are put off. It's like conducting The Pepsi Challenge and using warm coke. The results will be skewed.
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Israel:

Okay.  I'll give you that. Powell just won't win the conservative vote.

Pepsi challenge using warm coke.  Coke is a good word to use when you're talking about Obama.

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I would take warm Coke over cold Pepsi anyday!
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I wonder why the democratic party would have as their website democrats.org? I'm just saying!! They are probably just confused about this. Clearly they have an identity crisis because the vast majority of their membership would be horrified if they truly understood the socialist nature of their policies!

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Bill- That brings us to a interesting subject, follow me here.

If we speak out against Obama we are racist but liberals have been undermining our troops and not supporting the war on terror yet we are not supposed to call their actions un-American?

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Larry-This where the issue gets confused. Just because you don't agree with the war in Iraq, does not make you against America. The War On Terror is about as sucessful as The War On Drugs because they are being conducted in the wrong manner. I was 100% behind our invasion of Afghanistan. I still am. The were sheltering Osama and training terrorists on their soil. They got what they asked for. Iraq is a whole other ball game. A stupid war, ran incompetently. If some one were to call me Unamerican, it would show their ignorance and inability to differentiate between not approving of our actions and loving my country.

If you dislike Obama because of his inexperience, far left ideaology, crazy reverend, and overall plans for the country, than you are doing your job as a good citizen and looking out for the welfare of our nation. If you dislike him because of his middle name or the color of his skin, you are a racist. I'm not crazy about him due to his Socialist leanings.

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Israel - this is getting scary. I agree with you on one point and nearly agree with you on the other! You see I have no problem with you being against our action in Iraq, but we have Americans in harms way right now and many of them believe we are doing the right thing. They also have access to the internet and to newspapers and TV and I think being vocal about this gives comfort to the enemy and undermines our heroes. In actual fact one of those heroes (a United States Marine) will be on my radio show this Saturday live from Camp Fallujah. He would completely disagree with you about what we are doing out there.

On the second point you make about Obama - I agree with you 100%, although I am a lot stronger than "not crazy about him" - I think he is truly dangerous to the future of this nation.

4:22pm • #95
Simon- One of my best friends little brothers was killed in Iraq last year. They just named a section of highway 38 through Big Bear after him. I honor his service and grieve his passing. He believed in what he was doing, and I respect him greatly for that. Do I think he should have been there? No. However, this is all spilt milk. We need to stay there until the job is finished and unless we get some competent people in there, it is going to be much later than sooner. The way the war was, and is being conducted is more of a sore spot with me than the actual war itself.
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As I said - scary - we agree that cutting and running will do a lot more harm than good. We need to finish the job right and then come home. I hope it's soon, but we cannot leave until it's done.
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What's the temperature in hell right now? Simon & Israel are in almost complete agreement!
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Gee Bill, I was talking about the conservatives, the group you profess to belong too.  You guys love to lump all liberals in one pile, I just assumed because you say you are conservative, then all those child molesters are part of "your group" as they too profess to be conservatives.  Personally I'd love to take a toke (you're showing your age with that word) but its illegal.
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Israel- Don't take this the wrong way, I mean no disrespect with this comment and sometimes its not easy to tell on blogs.

Don't you think that if someone is willing to give their life for the cause that maybe they understand it a little better than someone who has limited experience like yourself?

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Mike - brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Larry - tune in on Saturday and hear it from a Marine live from Iraq.

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Anybody want to hear from a soldier getting ready to go to his third tour in Iraq, I'd love to let you listen to what his life is like and what he thinks about the "backdoor" draft.
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Mike - In response to your comment this morning, you are correct in your assessment of someone not voting for Watts.  Hence I believe you're misunderstanding my blog because I am in agreement with your assessment.  You see me as saying, "helping somebody because of their skin color would be racist, not helping because of skin color would not be racist".  What I'm saying is, "helping somebody because of their skin color is technically a race issue, but I can give leeway due to human nature being the cause to grab at an identifier (in this case race); not helping some one because of their skin color WOULD be racist".  Make sense?
 
As to your most recent comment, I believe even Lucifer's reaching for a scarf and gloves.
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Cheri - Thank you for the kind words, I'm basking in all the compliments!!  :-)
I agree with all that you've written but unfortunately there are a few elements that will not vote for a person because of race.  Fortunately, that group is not very large - and is hopefully dwindling.  Just for clarification, when I created the notion of APR, I didn't do so because I agree with it, rather I'm giving a bit of leeway for some human tendency.  I'm trying to give as realistic an assessment as I can.  Thanks for commenting.
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Tchaka - next thing you know, Simon and Israel are gonna invite you for a guys night out!

I am still trying to mull out what you wrote. I think I understand.

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Simon -  The Rev. Wright is at best a hiccup as far as this issue goes.  He only makes it because I started out the blog mentioning that we haven't had much in terms race.  You might be looking at a narrow scope of Obama and hence Wright becomes a larger part of things.  But that's not what I'm looking at - I'm looking at race/racism in voter choices.  Although the PA Primary is what pushed me to write this, it is by no means limited to PA or 2008, this is a much larger issue and Wright barely even blips on the radar.  Sidebar:  The Rev. Wright is not as bad as some have made him out to be.  I spent time listening to a number of his sermons and while I object to certain items (namely old theory that the US Govt created AIDS to kill black people), I've run into much more objectionable people than him.  He just happens to be louder and have a mic in his hand.  John Hagee made a comment about Hurricane Katrina being God's way of punishing New Orleans for homosexuality.  I don't see that as very different than Wright's comment about AIDS.   Back to the blog........here's where your comment goes awry:  I'm talking about race/racism being a part of the voters.  If you cannot vote for for Obama because of his association with Wright, that's one thing.  Not voting for Obama because he's black is another AND it has nothing to do with Wright.  He could rant and rave all he wants, it's still does not affect Obama's color.
 
As for your producer, I wish he'd have more reason to vote for Obama other than color, but before I can pass any judgement I'd need to know if he could vote for a non-black person for President.  Ie, if Obama disappeared and a white person showed up in his place, would he vote for that person?   
 
Lastly, I applaud these three for running.......who would really want to be President of the US in this day and age?  The stress has to be enormous.  Look at Clinton towards the end (and Dubya now) - looked worn out.
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Mike Hell freezing over will be when Terry and Bill agree on something.
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If Simon's bringing bottles of Delirium, I'm there!

 

Delirium Tremens for Tchaka

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Terry- There is no back door draft, one you sign the papers your A** belongs to Uncle Sam and EVERYONE knows it.  I re-enlisted 5 or 6 times myself.

I am also a disabled Vet and let me put the other rumor to bed.  I got the best health care available with no problems, anything I needed PT for as long as it took.

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Larry, You know better than to confuse her with facts
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I would vote for JC Watts or Alan Keyes not because color, but they are truly exceptional individuals. God help us see beyond race and look to what the person's core beliefs and political persuation. Socialism will not work in America. Obama is wrong, Hillary is wrong about change.

It is not change to increase capital gains on the middle class. Obama could not answer at what point would he increase capital gains. $50,000, $75,000, $100,000 combined income...he said he did not know?

That is not a change America needs.

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Tchaka- Great post sorry some people don't get your point or see things so clearly.

Although I have never had a chance (like anyone else) to vote for anyone other than a white male I can honestly say in my opinion the world (yes the world, not only america) is not ready for a black president. At the same time I don't think it is ready for a white female either. However based on what I have seen and heard from both sides, I hope to be able to vote for a white female this year. Again that is not truely racially based, but I feel Hiliary is a better candidate, a great candidate no, but a better candidate yes. I cannot see voting for someone who wants to continue a pointless war and a continued Bush like presidency, where everything becomes to expensive for anyone to afford and the economy is well hell I don't even know where the economy is it is so gone.

Everyone wants to talk racism sorry but from my experiences african americans, are just as racist if not more racists than whites. I worked retail several years ago and an african american female should of lost her job, however she got the NAACP involved and is still working there to this day. I won't get into why she should of been fired, but had it been any other race she would of been gone in a heart beat with charges pressed even. We have a road that if it wasn't for my deeply tinted windows I could not even drive down. The police will not even drive down it, without a serious death wish. They are still talking about slavery, and trying to blame the white man and make it out that we were the ones that started it and made it so big and bad. Sorry but the white man bought his slaves from africans who were already using other africans as slaves. We did not go over there with our horses and rope and lasso 'em up and bring them here. If anyone has an arguement about the white mans past as horrible people its the Indians and thats about it. We nearly whipped them out, blacks have large #s here, and many who have tried are doing quite well. It is the ones who are struggling who want to bring the white man down, ask a wealthy professional athelte who is making millions and is black and had ancestors brought here as slaves what he thinks... would he rather be here because of slavery or back in africa because a white man didn't buy his ancestors from another ancestor and bring them here? Not to mention that if their ancestors were not brought over here as slaves would they even be over here and have the opportunities they do here now? Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton are two of the raciest people around if you ask me. And I still say that saying those girls from rutgers were nappy headed hoes was a racist comment is B.S., while they may not be any of those things I still do not see it as racist, come to Flint, MI go through several of the run down primarily white trailor parks and tell me you don't see a whole slew of white nappy headed hoes.

Tchaka- For now I will vote for a white candidate, however IF there were a black candidate that I felt were capable of doing the job better, and the world was ready for a black candidate I would have no problem voting for him or even her.

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Please don't call people idiots because they don't see it the way you or the poster wanted to convey.

This is certainly a confusing post with many comments that are off base.

The main point should be to vote your conscience, not your race.

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Nicholas- If it is confusing why would you comment on it and add to the confusion and off base comments... just to argue?

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Hugh- Sorry I couldnt help myself.   Maybe I should start making things up as I go along?

Yup

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Well, I'm white and female and will be voting for Obama in November...It has nothing to do with gender or race and everything to do with the fact that he is the best candidate for the job. And yes, I do think its over and Hillary needs to hang it up. 
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Tchaka: 

You said,

"Mike - ..........  What I'm saying is, "helping somebody because of their skin color is technically a race issue, but I can give leeway due to human nature being the cause to grab at an identifier (in this case race); not helping some one because of their skin color WOULD be racist".  Make sense? ......"

Ah yes, Racism as defined by Tchaka.  Are you are saying voting for someone because of their race would NOT be racist but not voting for someone because of their race would be racist? 

Now just so I am clear as I am often not on your statements because I choose to remain sober, If a person were to vote for McCain solely because he is white and the other candidate is Black, according to you that would not be racist because the voter is helping someone because of their race.  But when the voter casts his vote for McCain because he is white, he is not helping the other candidate because of his skin color, and this according to you, makes the voter racist.

In a contest where candidates are of different races, when a voter casts a vote for one candidate because of his race ("helping somebody because of their skin color"), he is also voting against the other candidate ("not helping some one because of their skin color").

Which is it?  Either I need to take a shot of something real strong to understand what you are saying or dismiss your comments as pure leftist drivel.

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Bill - There's a third option:  you can read the blog all over again and you'll find that your questions are pretty much answered throughout.  For starters, I did not define racism, I merely gave an example of an action that falls under the umbrella of 'racism'.  Is it that hard to understand?
 
Are you are saying voting for someone because of their race would NOT be racist but not voting for someone because of their race would be racist? 
 
My blog clearly states that using race as a factor is technically racism but that I allow a little leeway due to human nature, and yes, not voting for someone because of race is racist.  Please reread my blog and my response to Mike as these are both addressed there.
 
 
If a person were to vote for McCain solely because he is white and the other candidate is Black, according to you that would not be racist because the voter is helping someone because of their race.
 
No, I said if a person were to use race as one of the factors in voting for McCain that would technically fall under a definition of racism, however I do not believe that to be quite fair an assessment (hence my creation of Acceptable Racial Preference).  You have brought up an example where race is the only reason why that person is voting for McCain.  If I equate that to Simon's producer who is voting for Obama simply because he's black, then my answer is that I don't have one (if you read my comment to Simon you'll see me saying that I don't know where he fits in).  I then asked Simon to ask his producer if he would vote for a white person if Obama suddenly disappeared.  From there I (or anyone else) would better understand where he fits.  I would ask the same of your person.
 
 
But when the voter casts his vote for McCain because he is white, he is not helping the other candidate because of his skin color, and this according to you, makes the voter racist.
 
My blog clearly states that not voting for a person because of race is racism.  So if this person will not vote for the other person because the other candidate is not white, yes, that is racism.
 
There is one gray area that I have not touched and that's the person voting for McCain because he's white but would vote for a non-white candidate if McCain disappeared.  I don't have an assessment for such a person and I'm not convinced there really is a single category or grouping for such as this becomes even more complex.
 
 
Either I need to take a shot of something real strong to understand what you are saying or dismiss your comments as pure leftist drivel.
 
Standard fare for you.  Once you're able to make comments without the inane leftist/marxist/socialist/liberal/sodomite/terrorist bits, you'll find more people willing to take you seriously.
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Tchaka - I believe you are saying that while some reactions, to a person, are because of race and are truly racism while others might not be racism.

I agree with that. Hating someone because they are a different race, or thinking they are inferior, is definitely racism. Having stereotypes, or various reactions might not be racism, but just due to something  a person has been brought up with all their lives. It really depends upon what is in the heart of the person.

3:30pm • #122

Tchaka,

Lets have a Big Mega Prayer for "Bill, Simon & Nicholas" they are the lemmings.

I am voting for Barak and I can't wait for the Dem's in August. There just isn't any room in my life for Racism. No more McSame

4:05pm • #123
Jane-You have me confused with someone else. I am universally hated by the Conservatives on this board. I'll take Ron Paul over Obama any day of the week.
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Israel,

Sorry, I changed my comment, being universally hated by Conservatives is a Good Thing it mean's you have a Mind, a Heart & Soul...

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Tchaka, I guess that's opposed to being hated by a Liberal, which means you not only have a mind, a heart & a soul, but you aren't making excuses for you life and looking to others to scapegoat and take care of you.
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Mike, I have a friend who used to say he hated everyone equally.  Maybe that's not such a terrible mindset if you're going to blog here.  LOL!

 

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Tchaka - I disagree with many, however, there are very few that I could say that I hate. Maybe those that think it is ok to bomb churches and mosques to make a point, maybe that guy that raped and buried that girl alive in Florida, people like that.

I definitely hate okra, grits & bell peppers and that stupid game pictionary!

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Tchaka - I have spoken to my producer and he says that he would indeed vote for a white person (as he has done many times in the past) if Obama wasn't running. Equally if the choice was Hillary for the Dems and Colin Powell for the Republicans he would again vote for the black person because of the color of his skin. Again, he has told me that his entire family along with every black friend he has thinks in exactly the same way. Is that racist to you?

As for me, I would not vote for Obama because he is dangerous. I couldn't care less what color he is. Equally if I was faced with the choice outlined by my producer, I too would vote for Colin Powell.

JANE - What the heck are you talking about with regards to me? I think you just called me a racist and if you did, then you need to withdraw that comment and apologize.

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Tchaka:

You said:

"Standard fare for you.  Once you're able to make comments without the inane leftist/marxist/socialist/liberal/sodomite/terrorist bits, you'll find more people willing to take you seriously."

If I am addressing those in the aforementioned groups, I will address them.  If you fall into any of those groups, well let the chips fall where they may.  No one has ever accused me of mincing words.  If you truly believe in what you are, you should be proud of it.  I am a conservative and I don't pretend to be something I'm not.   As for my comments being inane; I'm sure they may seem inane to you have a left bent brain but there are many others who think otherwise.

BTW a group I founded, Silent Majority has 258 members who have joined and most have joined by my personal invitation so there are plenty of people who take me seriously. 

Prior to knowing you, I never knew anyone who was egotistical enough to single handedly redefine a word like racism and then twist the definition until it excludes their own prejudices.

6:55pm • #130
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Bill - there is a politician in Orlando - a councilwoman - who is famed for saying "black people can't be racist".
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Simon:

I believe there are many who believe this statement to be true.  When over 90% of the Black voters vote for Obama over Hillary; now that is racism.  You won't hear this on the evening news.

In the general election when over 90% of the Black population votes for Obama over the white candidate, now that is racism. You won't hear this on the evening news either.

What you will see on the news is an interview with some good ole country white boy in bibs with a pick up truck and a gun rack being interviewed by the evening news man.  This good ole boy will be  telling everybody that he will never vote for a black man for president.  That's what the evening news will give you and the evening news will tell you that is what racism is, but you won't hear a peap out of them about the over 90% of Blacks who voted for a black man for president as being racist.

Maybe the Orlando politician has it right and you and I are just stupid conservatives.

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I'm going to make this really simple for you, Bill:  how many of the alleged 90% racist blacks would never vote for a white person for president?
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Simon:

Go easy on Jane.  Afterall, she is an Obama supporter.  You might need to use shorter sentences and smaller words to communicate with her effectively.  Try using the word "change" a lot.  Tell her "Yes we can."  But never tell her what or how we are going to "change" and never tell her what "we can" do.  Tell her that for the first time in your adult life you are proud to be an American.  Tell her that some people are going to have to give up their piece of pie for others to have their piece of pie.  Tell her that there is no way you would punish your daughter by making her have a baby.

Give her an example of someone that is a  racist.  Let's say, use someone in your family for the example, maybe your grandmother.  These are all things she can relate to.  Tell her that you are very friendly with a known terrorist and bomber who has bombed government buildings in the United States and is unrepentant of it.  She will understand.

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Bill - in regards to your earlier post, you're a borderline joke.  You can't debate worth a damn, you don't stay on topic, you consistently misinterpret what others write and then you toss in random jibberish and try to pass it off as something worthwhile.  

Your method of appeasing Silent Majority members is by fluffing comments with the same right-wing propaganda that lacks substance.  You might want to spend more time reading what people like Hugh, Simon and Ted write and learn from them.  We don't see eye to eye on many topics but they earn my respect (and of others) for presenting their POVs intelligently without name calling.  Hell, you might just spend more time actually reading.

If you aren't capable of participating in an intelligent debate, that's fine.  Sit on the sidelines and wait till a more simplistic topic arises.   

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Simon - I'm not sure where to put your producer.  I'd probably defer to you since you know him...he appears to fall within that gray area that I mentioned I haven't addressed.  Hmmm.

As for you, I never thought of you as racist.  BTW, I have heard that comment that black [insert minority here] people can't be racist because they're not in the majority.  I vehemently disagree.  Racism comes from all directions.

 

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Tchaka:

I'm sorry.  Next time I will dumb down my comments and insert pictures so you may comprehend what I'm talking about.

You are a piece of work.  You place this post on MY Group and then tell me to sit on the sidelines because you don't agree with what I say or how I say it.  Unbelievable.

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No, I tell you to sit on the sidelines because you are unable to comprehend even the most simple concepts.  
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Tchaka:

If by simple concepts you mean liberals and socialists you are right.  You can't get any more  simple minded than you folks.

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Thank you for proving my points!  I knew I could count on you to come through.
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And for tonights edition of Crossfire filling in for KAS we have Tchaka on the left and on the right none other than Bill Burress
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Larry, I'm not sure how to take your comment, other than to remind you that even though the government does own your A** till your enlistment is up, the back door draft refers to being sent time and time again to a "war" zone, without respite.  As for your military care, I grew up in the Navy.  I can remember when healthcare was provided by Navy doctors, whatever you needed, whenever you needed it.  By the time my father retired, dependents were oursource to Tricare, or whatever that name is, with benefits being reduced.  When my father got ill, after he retired, he had to wait in hours long lines at Bethesda Naval Hospital to see a doctor.  When they couldnt diagnose his problem, he went to Georgetown University Hospital, paid out of his own pocket, and got a diagnosis with 24 hours.  Lets not forget the awesome medical care our wounded vets are receiving at Walter Reed and other military installations, and lets certainly not forget that if they show up and dare to "complain" about PTSD or suicidal notions, they are dismissed!
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Tchaka ~ You are so condescending with other points of view, and then when the person responds to your name caling, you say gotcha.

You are a little boy trying to play in a man's game.

8:36pm • #143

Israel,

Hate is a strong word.  I don't hate anyone on here, YET!

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Tchaka - my producer is a good friend of years standing, but his intended voting action is based on race - nothing else - and therefore cannot be anything else other than a racist decision. I don't for one second think he would vote for Obama if he was white because my producer understands that he is a dangerous socialist. He is willing to forget about that because of the color of his skin and has said to me that he "hopes" Obama won't do anything too crazy because that would mean there won't be another African American for 100 years.

Some Vets CHOOSE to go back to a combat zone. Listen to one who lost his leg, live from Camp Fallujah, Iraq on The Simon Conway Radio experience this Saturday at 4pm.

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Tchaka - I just re-read your comments to Bill. You should be ashamed of yourself. I went past them originally because I wanted to report back on my producer. Why you seem intent on proving that black people voting for a black face is not racist is actually beyond me. It is clearly racist and you know it. You then add insult to injury by insults and name calling. You're better than that and you should apologize.

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Thank you for your concern Simon, but that is not going to happen.

If you think I am trying to prove black people voting for a black face is not racist, then you have also misunderstood the blog.   

12:41am • #147
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Interesting perspective Tchaka - "he appears to fall within that gray area that I mentioned I haven't addressed."

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I'm not sure what you find interesting about that, but perhaps you'll care to expand.
10:06am • #149

Tchaka-I've updated this comment to keep it focused on the topic your post addresses.

Your post brings up a very valid point. A couple of people I've talked to have actually stated that they "can't" vote for Obama because he is black. I was totally shocked at that statement.

There was a very interesting discussion of the younger demographic on The Newshour on May 8, 2008. For this generation race, gender and gay marriage are nonissues. They are considered more liberal than any preceding generation. They have an overriding belief in fairness and dislike the constant battles of conservative vs. liberal. The authors of the book on the topic say that there is a complete change in the electorate every 40 years. This election is the first in which the new generation will have influence. That influence will increase in future elections. They are tired of politics as usual and are looking for different types of candidates. This is a large part of Obama's appeal to younger voters. If what the authors say is true, it is a hopeful indicator that we can eventually look beyond race and gender.

In November, I will be voting for whichever Democrat gets the nomination (looks likely to be Obama), not because of, or in spite of race or gender, but because of the overriding issues of the war, health care, the supreme court, the environment and civil rights.

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Rich - Thank you for your kind words.  Race and racism are certainly a part of the democratic nomination process, but while some tend to focus on Obama, this blog is merely using PA as an example.  The issue stretches far beyond that.  And as Asians and Hispanics start running for higher public office you'll see more of this.  Hopefully the younger generation will put even more focus on character instead of color.

I have another blog about race coming soon, keep an eye out.

10:48am • #151

Thanks Tchaka. I will subscribe to your blog.

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Rich:

You have a nerve to say that I hate anyone.  Who are you to say that of anyone?  Although I may hate someone's actions or views, I don't hate anyone.

If you want to wallow in a liberal or gay life style and join liberal and gay groups that is your business.  Join as many liberal or gay groups as you like.  Seek comfort in them. No,  I do not hate you.  It's none of my business what you do in your free time, however when the promotion of the gay life style infringes upon heterosexuals and family and the gays promotion of the gay life style is blasted across the television sets in America and our schools are teaching homosexuality as an alternative life style, and as if homosexuality is normal, you bet I have a problem with it.  When the homosexual movement demand special rights, you bet I have a problem with it.  When the homosexuals are denegrating marriage which is God's gift to man as a union between man and woman sure I have a problem with it.

Do I hate liberals and gays?  No, I do not but at the same time I don't have to embrace anyone's life styles.

For you to make your libelous comments claiming that I "hate" liberals and "hate" homosexuals, on a public post is not only outrageous but very foolhardy on your part.

I am asking you nicely to retract your libelous statements you have made above about me.  Thank you.

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Bill-Live and let live. I get it, your not gay. Homosexuals are not demanding special rights. They only want equal rights. Who cares if they want to get married. I suppose you would rather have them single and engaging in dangerous sexual practices? Don't give me that tired excuse "  God gave marriage to man and woman " argument. People have been getting married long before Christianity. As a matter of fact people of all religious persuasions get married everyday. Are their unions not legitimate because they don't worship Jesus? If two people love each other and want to make a commitment to be together for a lifetime, it is wrong to stop them. Live and let live.

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Israel:

You can promote homosexuality if you want.  As for me, I will stand against it.  It is an abomination.  These unnatural acts are being mainstreamed into our school systems and promoted on television.  It's people with attitudes like yours that make it more pervasive.  You go ahead and shrug it off.  I will continue to stand against it.

 

1:24pm • #156

It is people like me who will enable us to move out of the dark ages.

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I thought this blog was about candidates and their skin color as related to how voters percieve them. Silly me.

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Tchaka-Sorry, it may have been a comment I made that derailed the conversation here. I deleted the comment but the response is still there.

Back to the original discussion. I think you are correct in that race will be a factor in the general election, whether appropriate or not. Since, barring some unforeseen circumstances, Obama will be the Democratic nominee it will be interesting to see who he picks as a running mate.

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Rich - I would rather you did not delete your comment, if you have something worthwhile to say, say it and stick with it.  Blogs tend to meander however if mine goes too far off topic, I'll get it back on track. 

11:46am • #162

Tchaka-I respect what you are trying to do. I'm responding only because you asked me to.

I deleted the comment because I don't want to get into an endless, pointless argument that is off topic. What I said was that I don't typically respond to anything posted on "silent majority" because of the consistently hostile attitude toward everyone who disagrees, especially with their positions on liberals or gays. Unlike your group "dissent", dissenting opinions are viciously attacked, not debated. I really don't want to (1) give anyone points on that group or (2) be greeted with hostility. It is pointless. For these stated reasons, I will not respond rebuttals to this comment. Nor will I respond to anything else that is posted in silent majority. I refuse to play their game.

 

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An article on Obama and Racism just got posted on the front of the Washington Post (online edition) and I'm going to submit a quote:

Pollsters have found it difficult to accurately measure racial attitudes, as some voters are unwilling to acknowledge the role that race plays in their thinking. But some are not. Susan Dzimian, a Clinton supporter who owns residential properties, said outside a polling location in Kokomo that race was a factor in how she viewed Obama. "I think if it was somebody other than him, I'd accept it," she said of a black candidate. "If Colin Powell had run, I would be willing to accept him."

I'm not sure what to say here......Dzimian says race is a factor and won't vote for Barack Obama but would vote for Colin Powell.   Either she thinks Powell is white or her criteria for a candidate is not race-based but rather issue-based.  Or she needs meds.

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Rich - you clearly haven't spent too much time at Silent Majority. There are disagreements amongst Conservatives all the time! What I have found with dissent is EXACTLY what you complain about with Silent Majority. The exception to that rule is Tchaka who is willing to have the conversation.

And talking of Tchaka - it is interesting that someone would vote for Powell and not Obama and they somehow manage to mention race in their answer. I think the specific person is simply confused. Personally I would vote for Powell and not Obama, but it has nothing to do with the color of their skin. Obama is dangerous to me from a policy standpoint and even his supporters would agree, from a judgement standpoint. Bad judgement at this time in our history is not a luxury we can afford in the White House right now.

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I do believe that Mr. Barack will be the Dem. nominee. I am a conservative Republican who will not vote for him, but as I stated above (I think), I have no problem with his skin color. Mr. JC Watts would get my vote in a heartbeat over Senator McCain.  

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Kevin:

You are right.  Color has nothing to do with it.  I would vote for Watts over McCain and McCain over Powell.  I would vote for Watts over all of them including Bush and probably Newt.

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I think Obamas should take Rev Wreight as his VP

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I would vote for Watts over McCain, but I would vote for Powell over McCain too. In fact there really aren't that many republicans who would NOT get my vote over McCain. By voting for Mccain I know tha I am going to feel like I am voting for a right wing Democrat!

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Just had a horrible thought! We know who wears the pants in the Obama household right? What will he do if she tells him to pick HER as his VP?

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Hugh:

I would respect Obama more if he picked Wright for his V.P.  At least his pick would be from his heart.  He would be proclaiming to the American people, "Vote for me even though I hate America and I am a racist!"

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That would be an interesting ticket. Barack/Wright. Hmm?

9:35am • #172

Obama Farakan in 2008.

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Yeah Israel thats the ticket to insure a McCain victory, maybe Rev, Wright can be press secretary

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Israel and Hugh:

Let's not forget about Al Sharpton.

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WOW, interesting that "bad judgement" should be brought up as a reason for not voting for Obama.  Talk about 7+ years of bad judgement we have just lived through, seems Homer Simpson would have had better judgement than what we've had.  I'll take Obama's "bad judgement" anytime over the bush/cheney run.

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Interesting - I guess it was good judgement to keep at least three now, racist preachers as close advisors; it was good judgement to say "I never said I wouldn't wear a flag pin" only to have the interview played the next day when in fact you did say "I won't wear that pin on my chest" to be followed by THIS week, finally putting the pin on and having your campaign say "our policy now is that sometimes he will wear it and sometimes he won't". It was good judgement to refer to blue collar America as a bunch of bitter people clinging to their guns and their churches? How much more do you need? We do NOT need someone with this kind of bad judgement right now.

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Simon:

Thanks for getting the truth out there.  If you are trying to convince Terry, forget it.  She still thinks Bush is running for president.

6:04am • #178

Tchaka-Race was certainly a factor in the West Virginia primary. The Daily Show had a pretty funny, although pathetic, report with all the news people skating around the race issue. Jon Stewart said, "maybe we need to hear from the people themselves on why they didn't vote for Obama". Of course the clips were handpicked to make a point, but the people were saying things like "his skin is a different color and we have problems with them" or "it's that Hussein thing, I've had enough of Hussein".  A large percentage of people vote on the basis of simplistic issues, because the real issues are too complex and people look for simple answers. Yesterday's endorsement by John Edwards makes me think that Obama could "balance" the ticket by choosing a southern white man as a running mate. People who would not be comfortable voting for a northerner of mixed race could be more comfortable if Edwards were on the ticket.

Who knows where the election will eventually go? That is what makes speculation fun.

11:00am • #179

Bush getting reelected really shows that that the cumulative I.Q. of our country as a whole is not that high. Just make sure FOX News shows a red or orange alert every couple of days and accuse the other side of being pacifists. That's all it takes.

1:24pm • #180

I don't trust Edwards any more than I trust Obama!

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Rich, I did see that clip (I'm a fan of The Daily Show) and though I did laugh, I also felt  pretty bad for those people interviewed.  For me it wasn't simply race but ignorance....yes, it's just a clip but we do have people who are that clueless and it's a real shame.  It's a sign that we need to educate our countrymen.  People need to be able to make an informed decision.  I would rather educate everyone and have them vote 100% Hillary than what we witnessed.  "I've had enough of Hussein" was so pathetic, I was almost at a loss for words.  Everytime the networks replayed Hillary saying, "No Democrat has won the Presidency since 19xx without winning West Virginia", I cringed.

In regards to a running mate, I've suspected for a while that Edwards would be a likely pick.  He fared well in the 2004 race, he's respected in North Carolina and he would be a link to the South - and that's a very important part to winning.

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I find it funny that you look at this one-sided. I don't condone it from a white or black perspective, but the fact remains that a large number of black people vote Obama because he is black. It's wrong and just as bad as the West Virginians.

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Simon:

Many black folk were just brought up with racial prejiduces.  The movie "The Jerk" illustrated this when Steve Martin's "Step" Mother told him when he was ready to go out on his own she said, "Don't you never trust Whitey."

The black Americans who were brought up this way find it hard to shake.  It sticks to them like glue.  There are diversity programs they can attend that won't cure them but help them to cope with their racial intolerances.

Regarding the West Virginia primaries, it's funny to hear the Democrat elitists claim that the West Virginia voters are ignorant white folk who don't know any better.  They will be saying this about Kentuckians also.  These statements are going to bite them in the keester in the general.

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Bill - I think I have said before that my producer is black. He is a good friend (even though he leans towards the DNC) and he has said live on air that he will be voting Obama because he is black. He has agreed with me that his reasoning is at the very best, flawed. I told him directly that it was racist. He was unable to disagree. But this kind of thing you will never see in the mainstream media. One word against Obama and you will be branded a racist. Bring it on!!

 

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Simon:

With Obama, now it's more than race.  You aren't allowed to say anything bad about him because wacko Obamanites and the liberal news media think he's the Messiah.

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Are you referring to me, Simon?  If so, I'm not looking at this one-sided at all - I can certainly discern between race issues and ignorance.  While there may be overlap (particularly since ignorance is the main cause of racism), they're not one and the same.  The clip Rich talked about wasn't harping on race, but on ignorance.  Given that I've been in rural West Virginia (you may recall I'm from VA), I've seen people much like those being interviewed.  I also know that traditionally WV is one of the more poor states and has had a weaker education system than most.

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I wasn't particularly referring to you Tchaka, just the situation in general. I wish there was no racism in this election. Let me go further, I wish there was no racism in this country. But the thing is there is - and it comes from black people just as much as white people. The problem is we aren't allowed to talk about black people being racist - only whites. That is part of what's wrong with this debate.

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I am in full agreement with you and I can assure you that racism comes from all different types.  I've heard it from various directions (and not just blacks or whites).  And it all needs to be stamped out.  One statement I will make (and this is a generalization), often white people don't really understand either the black experience or perhaps the need for 'heroes' and role models and other examples of success.  And therefore some things are considered racist when they aren't.  For example, on numerous occassions I've been asked:

"Why is there a BET?  What if I started White Entertainment Television?"

"Why is there a United Negro College Fund?  What about a White College Fund?"

"What if we had a National Assoc. for the Advancement of White People?"

Leaves you shaking your head.  

As for your last comment, whites are allowed to talk about black racists, just be sure that you're talking about a true black racism.  For example, people are up in arms about Rev. Wright and what I've heard hasn't really struck me as racist (mind you, I've listened to more than just the sound bites on cable news).  Meanwhile, there are things that I've heard from the Nation of Islam in the past that were.    I don't remember particulars but I walked away after a lecture once wondering why free speech was guaranteed.

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Tchaka - we are close but not in full agreement. I see no more need for BET than I do for Disney's Gay Days. Back to my producer - he hates positive discrimination (I can't even remember the PC term for that now) as he feels this actually keeps black peole down. He has friends who have got into college and been offered jobs despite the fact that there were better candidates. The sense of entitlement that brings does not help anyone.

As for Wright - I've made myself sit through an entire sermon of his. The man is full of hate and is a racist. He believes in Black Liberation Theology which comes from the Panthers and the Nation of Islam.

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I have been a liberal all of my life.  I always thought I was open minded and politically correct (even before that term was coined).  But I remember hearing Oprah say that when people looked at her and said they didn't see black or white, she was offended.  By saying that they didn't see color, they were saying they didn't see her.  I really got that.  My children describe people by their color.... innocently.  I am Italian.  My husband is Armenian.  We are dark complected, I guess you could say white people.  If I ask my son what someone looks like, he'll say... well, they have skin that's a little darker or a little lighter than we do.   I always smile, because he is also very careful to describe overweight people as " heavy set".  He is a very kind and open child and I am so proud of him.  So I smile when he says that some people are the same color we are.  Some African Americans are the same color we are.  So are some "Caucasians".  Forms always give me trouble.  I am classified as "white" but I am really as tan as you can be and still not be considered a person of color!  Obama's skin color is not an issue in my family.   I am very excited by the prospect of either an African American President or a Woman President.  Either way, it's history in the making!  Isn't this a wonderful time to be voting?

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Susan - when I get to those forms and it asks for race I always write in "human". I too am very excited that the country will reject socialism by a landslide and hopefully then the Democrat Party will return to its roots; to the Party of JFK and put this ultra left wing garbage to bed once and for all.

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Susan,

It sounds like you are excited because of the possibility of having an African American or Woman for President but are you really behind their beliefs for what is best for this country?  I have no problem with a woman or a black person being our President but I can not stand by and pretend that what they support is good for our country just so I can see history be made.  Trust me, if either one ends up President history will be made!!

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John - most people don't even understand what Obama's policies are. Trey did a great blog about that very subject yesterday.

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I could care less about the gender or race of those that would be President.  Seriously.  Even though I'm an old, fat white guy.  That said, I think I should say that people voting for someone based on their race or gender is only slightly less dangerous than people voting against someone because of their race or gender.  I don't think that it can't be a consideration in voting for someone, but in the case of Obama, it seems there are a lot of people that are so excited to have a viable black candidate that they have stopped looking at the man behind the skin. 

The "hiccup" of Rev. Wright is a great example. of that.  Going from "I could no more disavow Rev. Wright than my own white Grandmother" to "This is not the same man I knew 20 years ago" when the man had not changed his views or his rants between those statements is politics as usual... not the celebrated change that Obama preaches.  Had this been another politician... say GW Bush and Jerry Falwell, would the criticism have died as easily?

Howard Dean is working to lay the groundwork to make Obama unassailable because of his race.  He has said on several talking head shows that any attack on the positions or statements of Obama are only because of his race. 

I agree that voters should look at the substance of the candidate, and not the color of their skin or which section of the store they shop for clothes.  I hope that the American public, regardless of color or gender start looking at the candidates (not just Presidential, either) for who they are rather than what they are.  It would be nice if it would start with the mainstream media.

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(if only we were so passionate about Real Estate;-)

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Tchaka, did you know somone in the Dissent group thinks your post is racist and should be removed?  They seem to think the term "white candidate " equates to "blacks are lemmings".  Go figure!  Now we know where they get their talking points, the movie The Jerk!

9:18pm • #197
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Tchaka - she is talking about me and as usual has misquoted me. I can only assume it is either deliberate or she simply doesn't understand. More than happy to debate the issue with you.

10:24pm • #198
MAY
23
2008
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Simon - I commented on your blog (I had not seen this post here at the time).  I'm not really sure what there is to debate.....this title isn't racist.

12:21am • #199
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Tchaka:  I like your term ARP.  I have been called a racist by friends that are supporting Barack Obama, and I think that is just stupid.  Because I choose not to support him they presume I am racist.  I have no problem with the color of this guy's skin.  I have problems with his voting record in the Senate, to include the largest giveaway of money ever to the oil companies in a time when they are clearly not suffering, and the Rev. Wright issue.  I understand Rev. Wright is a totally separate person, with a totally different brain, voice, etc.  However, Mr. Obama sat in that church, with the impressionable minds of his young girls in attendance beside him, MANY TIMES, as hatred and biased opinions were spewed out of this Reverend's mouth about the white race, America, etc.  To pass down that kind of hate, and only denounce it when your political career was on the line, is a travesty.  It speaks to his character...which is that of a typical politician. 

When I hear black political pundits that start their argument for Obama vs. Clinton as "being on the right side of history" and then point to the fact that this is the first time a viable black candidate has entered the field, THAT is racism.  The first words out of your mouth should be how this man is going to better America with his POLICIES.

Frankly, I don't like any of the candidates this year.  One more time, despite their fancy messages of change, hope, a strengthening economy etc, I feel I have to choose between the lesser of two evils.  The first two in the Dem Primary, the second two in the Presidential Race.  Wake me up when it's December.

1:24pm • #200

Well.........sorry to come late to the party. In answer to the question at the top of the blog, I hope I don't have to make that choice in this election. I hope that the power brokers don't steal the nomination from Barack Obama. If he wins the nomination, there is no "white" candidate that will receive my vote. I look forward to having a President that is smarter than I am. I look forward to having a President that has a deeper well of compassion that I have. I look forward to having a President that is not bound by years of back room deals and markers held by big business. I look forward to having a President that understands that their is a permanent oil crisis. I eagerly await a President that will have no problem in opening talks with Cuba, Haiti, Brazil and other countries that are awaiting an opportunity to make use of their natural resources and having their economies improved.

I will not vote for a white presidential candidate this fall.

 

11:20pm • #201
MAY
27
2008
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After several weeks and nearly 200 posts later, I would like to wrap this blog up with a short summary of the intent.  I'd first like to thank all those who read and commented, I expected some debate but I never guessed this many comments.  This blog was an attempt to look at it from a political/behavioral context as opposed to simply race - it was an attempt to go beyond the standard fare of labeling people as racist and to think one level deeper. 
The idea came after reading comments on the Washington Post after the PA primary in which a number of posters felt that some white voters were racist because race was a factor in voting for Hillary over Barack.  Others countered that black voters were more racist because a higher percentage voted for Barack over Hillary.   Looking at the percentage of voters who stuck with the candidate of the same race is not a good indicator of racism (I would even argue it ISN'T an indicator).   Isolating those who say race was a factor is a better indicator, however I still felt that was not accurate.  Hence this blog.
Although the primary in PA was the impetus for the blog, the reality is that this isn't a black/white issue, what I wrote applies to any election in which there are candidates of different races.  And in many countries one could apply this to candidates of different tribes even if they are of the same race.  One person thought that the purpose of the post was to elicit some racial profiling.  No, it was to elicit discussion.  I've also had a few readers take offense at the notion of "Acceptable Racial Preference' because they don't agree with the notion of giving any racial preferences.  I did not in any way endorse such preference either and in a Utopian setting, we wouldn't have it.  The reality is that we humans are flawed and this preference/comfort level/enter term of your choice does exist and it needs to be viewed at least scientifically.  If we as humans don't come to grips with it, how are we to eradicate it?
The Title:  A number of readers thought I was asking if they were willing to vote a white person for President of the United States and that's not at all the case.  The original intent was taken from the last paragraph in which that question is posed to black voters in favor of Obama.  It is the question to discern if such a person can be considered racist (as opposed to the simple notion that's being passed around in which such a high percentage of blacks voting for him renders them racist).  It was also a jokingly rhetorical question because the only options that Americans have ever had for President have been white candidates (I'd hoped everyone would pick up on that).  As I write this summary, Barack Obama is not yet the official candidate for the Democrat Party for the 2008 Presidential Election so that comment still holds true.  However some chose to answer the question which is fine because it added content to the blog and served to continue the discussion.  As I mentioned in the post, race and racism will appear in this election and people need to be comfortable discussing it.  Hopefully this blog will one day be a relic of an era long gone. 
 
Note:  those few who have stated over the past few days that the title of the blog is racist, you either didn't read the blog or you just don't get it.
 

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