USDA RH

 This post is for consumers/homebuyers, Real Estate Professionals and Mortgage Professionals that may not have a good working knowledge of the features and benefits of the US Department of Agriculture's  Guaranteed Rural Housing program. Over the years I have done a number of these loans and have come to believe that it is one of the most under-utilized mortgage loan programs in the United States. It has many flexible features not found in Conventional and FHA loans.

For those real estate and mortgage professionals that have been around for a while, this program is not to be confused with their 502 program (direct or subsidized). See Postscript #3 below. When I speak with Real Estate professionals, quite  often they have the impression that this program is a so-called "red tape" program. Not the case!  Particularly with an experienced or seasoned loan officer. As you read the following information on the advantages of using the USDA Guaranteed Rural Housing program and some of its' salient features I am certain that you would see some great opportunity in directing some of your clients toward this mortgage program.  Some of the information below does pertain to these loans in the State of Florida and is provided for information/illustration and information is available on the USDA website for your geographic location. Likewise these loans are subject to the property being located in an eligible area. A link is provided to determine if a specific property address may be eligible for USDA-GRH financing.

Advantages:

• No down payment required.

• No Mortgage Insurance.

• No cash reserves required.

• No seller contribution limit.

• No Prepayment Penalty

Loan up to 102%* of appraised value allowed...not the lesser of Sale Price or Appraisal

• Loan amount can include closing costs and prepaids up to appraised value.

• No stated maximum loan amount; maximum loan based on repayment ability

No First Time Homebuyer Requirement

• New and existing homes OK

• Fully amortized 30-year fixed rate loan

No minimum credit score required...common sense underwriting allowed.

• No minimum cash contribution required from borrower.

• No limit on CLTV when soft second financing such as SHIP or HOME is used for closing costs and prepaids.

No limitation on source of funds for closing costs. No seasoning requirement.

100% gifted closing cost or down payment assistance is permitted.

• Non-traditional credit may substitute for lack of traditional credit history.

• No derogatory credit explanations required when credit score is 620 or above.

Rent is not verified with FICO of 620 or more.

• Qualifying ratios of 29%/41%...29% PITI to Income and 41% Total Debt to Income, however standard ratios may be exceeded with documented compensating factors.

• Automatic ratios waiver of 31%/43% for homes built after January 1, 2000.

• Conventional type loan packaging with only 1 extra form required.

Competitive rates (set by underwriting lenders)

*Appraisal may be exceeded by amount of Guarantee Fee

Determining if property is in a Rural Development designated rural area:

 http://eligibility.sc.egov.usda.gov/   

Determining if applicant(s) have an acceptable credit history:

• Credit history must indicate a reasonable willingness to meet obligations when due.

Streamlined credit approval when primary applicant has a middle credit score at 620 or above.

No minimum credit scores.

• Lack of credit is not derogatory. Alternative credit verifications are allowed, typically 3 lines.

• Lenders make the credit decision.

Income eligibility:

Project the cumulative gross income of all adults in the household.

THE GROSS INCOME LIMITS CAN BE MUCH HIGHER THAN THE ADJUSTED INCOME LIMITS SHOWN IN THIS TABLE

If the projected dependable income exceeds the limits, certain adjustments can be made, such as childcare expenses for children age 12 or younger and paid to someone outside the family. You also can deduct one $480 annual deduction for anyone under 18 or a student who is not one of the applicants. Other deductions may be available (see FL/VI Handbook or RD Instruction 1980-D, www.rurdev.usda.gov/regs

Example: Clay County 4-person family (2 adults, 2 children) has a gross income of $80,310. Child care for the two children age 12 or less is $10,000 annually. Is the threshold income at or below the limit? YES. $80,310 less $10,000 child care less $480 for each child = $69,350.

Counties

1-person

2-person

3-person

4-person

5-person

6-person

7-person

8-person

All Florida & Virgin Island Counties EXCEPT those listed below.

48,000

54,850

61,700

68,550

74,050

79,000

85,000

90,500

Clay, Duval, Nassau, St. Johns

48,550

55,500

62,400

69,350

74,900

80,450

86,000

91,550

Collier

56,200

64,250

72,250

80,300

86,700

93,150

99,950

106,000

Palm Beach

51,850

59,250

66,650

74,050

79,950

85,900

91,800

97,750

Broward, Pinellas, Monroe are NOT eligible

 

See the easy to use calculator at: http://eligibility.sc.egov.usda.gov/eligibility  Click on "Single Family Housing" under "Income Eligibility"

Applicant(s) repayment ability:

Ratio limits are 29 front (housing, PITI), 41 back (total debt, MOTI). Rural Development generally allows expanded repayment ratios if recommended by the lender's underwriter. 31%/43% automatic for dwelling built after 1/1/2000.

Other eligibility criteria:

• Do not own a suitable dwelling.

Insufficient resources to secure conventional 80% loan without the guarantee.

• U.S. citizen or permanent resident or qualified alien.

• Financed dwelling will be primary residence.

Loan-To-Value (LTV) and Loan Limit:

• 102% LTV for the guaranteed first mortgage loan when including the guarantee fee, 100% LTV without the fee included.

Loan amount can exceed appraised value by the amount of the guarantee fee.

There is no loan limit

P.S. #1

This post script has been added to this blog as I received a very nice "thank you" email from an USDA Rural Housing official  in Florida thanking me for posting this blog regarding their USDA GRH program. I thought it was very nice of them to take the time to express their appreciation. They did provide a comment about a correction in the program information which I have done. It's great that information posted here on ActiveRain does get noticed or picked up by consumers/officials and they provide feedback accordingly. The text of this email is as follows:

Hi Ron

THANKS so much for your blog on the web. One of employees in Ohio saw it and pointed it out to me. You may know, but I work out of our Gainesville headquarters. I write the materials about the guaranteed residential loan product.

I'm sorry I had a typo on the Quick Guide. I gave info on streamlined documentation with FICO of 620 or above. BUT then forgot to change the section "Determining if applicant(s) have an acceptable credit history" in reference to "660" that should have said "620".

We trying to make this product more lender friendly and family friendly. I've been a part of writing a number of significant changes over the past 16 years, since the program inception.

You've probably already done this but you may want to consider inviting our local staff to assist with any seminars you present to your realtors, builders, or applicants.

You are correct that this product is the best one for families meeting four simple guidelines: Do they have less than 20% down payment; is the property in an eligible area; is their adjusted household income within the limits; and do they have a reasonable credit history.

Again, thanks so much. We appreciate it.

P.S. #2  6/21/2008

I have been modestly surprised by the amount of  interest that this post has generated.  In addition to the comments posted here I have received calls and emails from consumers, realtors and loan officers from all over the United States.

Given the current climate of the real estate market as well as the mortgage marketplace this is the only competitive and true 100% financing program left in the mortgage industry....and guess what?   It's still Under-utilized!

P.S. #3 -- 6/26/2008

Since my original posting date numerous people have inquired/commented about the 502 Direct Program that is briefly mentioned above. Below is more specific information for USDA's Direct program so a contrast may be drawn in respect to the Guaranteed Rural Housing Program.

Unlike, USDA Guraranteed Rural Housing loans originated by most of us, Rural Housing Direct Loans are loans that are directly funded by the Government.   These loans are available for low- and very low-income households to obtain homeownership.  Applicants may obtain 100% financing to purchase an existing dwelling, purchase a site and construct a dwelling, or purchase newly constructed dwellings located in rural areas.  Mortgage payments are based on the household's adjusted income.  These loans are commonly referred to as Section 502 Direct Loans.

Purpose:  Section 502 loans are primarily used to help low-income individuals or households purchase homes in rural areas. Funds can be used to build, repair, renovate or relocate a home, or to purchase and prepare sites, including providing water and sewage facilities.

Eligibility:  Applicants for direct loans from HCFP must have very low or low incomes.   Very low income is defined as below 50 percent of the area median income (AMI); low income is between 50 and 80 percent of AMI; moderate income is 80 to 100 percent of AMI.  Click here to review area income limits for this program.  Families must be without adequate housing, but be able to afford the mortgage payments, including taxes and insurance, which are typically within 22 to 26 percent of an applicant's income.  However, payment subsidy is available to applicants to enhance repayment ability.  Applicants must be unable to obtain credit elsewhere, yet have reasonable credit histories. .

Terms:  Loans are for up to 33 years (38 for those with incomes below 60 percent of AMI and who cannot afford 33-year terms). The term is 30 years for manufactured homes. The promissory note interest rate is set by HCFP based on the Government's cost of money.  However, that interest rate is modified by payment assistance subsidy.

Standards:  Under the Section 502 program, housing must be modest in size, design, and cost. Modest housing is property that is considered modest for the area, does not have market value in excess of the applicable area loan limit, and does not have certain prohibited features. Houses constructed, purchased, or rehabilitated must meet the voluntary national model building code adopted by the state and HCFP thermal and site standards. Manufactured housing must be permanently installed and meet the HUD Manufactured Housing Construction and Safety Standards and HCFP thermal and site standards.

Approval:  Rural Development officials should make a decision within 30 days of the Rural Development office's receipt of the application.

 
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183 Comments on USDA Rural Housing Loans.....The Most Under-Utilized Mortgage Progam In America

FEB
27
2007
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Ron, Up until about 8 years ago the USDA(Farmer's home) loan was just about the only loan they used on Poinciana. At that time you couldn't do FHA out there. All the builders were advertising $100 down deals. I'm not sure if you can still do them out there or not. I haven't run across one in years.
6:36pm • #1
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Bryant,

USDA Rural Housing is a great product for Poinciana. I just think that a lot of loan officers/brokers are not into it or don't have access to a lender/investor that is good with this product. Chase Mortgage (Rural Div) is one of the premier lenders for this product. As far as FHA is concerned, I was very excited when I learned FHA had opened up to the Poinciana market. I have done a few now but not had the occassion or opportunity to do as many as I thought that I would.

6:55pm • #2
MAR
01
2007
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Follow on P.S. to this blog! 

This post script has been added to this blog as I received a very nice "thank you" email from an USDA Rural Housing official  in Florida thanking me for posting this blog regarding their USA GRH program. I thought it was very nice of them to take the time to express their appreciation. They did provide a comment about a correction in the program information which I have done. It's great that information posted here on ActiveRain does get noticed or picked up by consumers/officials and they provide feedback accordingly. The text of this email is as follows:

Hi Ron

THANKS so much for your blog on the web. One of employees in Ohio saw it and pointed it out to me. You may know, but I work out of our Gainesville headquarters. I write the materials about the guaranteed residential loan product.

I'm sorry I had a typo on the Quick Guide. I gave info on streamlined documentation with FICO of 620 or above. BUT then forgot to change the section "Determining if applicant(s) have an acceptable credit history" in reference to "660" that should have said "620".

We trying to make this product more lender friendly and family friendly. I've been a part of writing a number of significant changes over the past 16 years, since the program inception.

You've probably already done this but you may want to consider inviting our local staff to assist with any seminars you present to your realtors, builders, or applicants.

You are correct that this product is the best one for families meeting four simple guidelines: Do they have less than 20% down payment; is the property in an eligible area; is their adjusted household income within the limits; and do they have a reasonable credit history.

Again, thanks so much. We appreciate it.

 
5:51pm • #3
MAR
04
2007
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MAR
07
2007
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ameenuddin
11:14am • #5
MAR
12
2007
What I think about this program and why it is not being used.  I went through the whole program.  I got approved.  I had to get assistance with a down payment from the SHIP program.  Problem being when the SHIP money was in, the USDA money was out.  Visa Versa.  I have been trying for 2 years to get things together and if I sign a contract to soon with SHIP then I lose that money.  If I don't sign a contract the money is gone by the time USDA is ready to give me my money.  To me I think USDA is for those who are not poor, but middle class.  Another problem is that what they can give me for a loan, is not enough for a single family home that I can afford.   I also have found that in trying to communicate with USDA in Florida, they were unwilling to listen and not helpful at all. 
Hope
2:38pm • #6
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Hope,

Thanks for stopping by with your comment as well as the personal email about your difficulties in obtaining a USDA Rural Housing loan. I want to take a little time to digest the comments here as well as your email so that I may respond as appropriately as possible. I will respond to each separately. Again, thanks for you feedback.

3:29pm • #7
MAR
13
2007
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Hope,

I'm sorry that your efforts to purchase a home using USDA Rural Housing and the S.H.I.P. program turned out to be a very unpleasant experience for you. From what I can determine, you were not working with a mortgage loan officer/broker and dealing with these agencies on a direct basis. As a loan officer/broker, I have not experienced the problem with a shortage of USDA funds for several years. It may have been possible that you were working in their 502 program (subsidized) which I do not participate in. Regarding SHIP funds, I participate in these programs as well and my experience is that these program funds come and go rather quickly.  Funds are allocated into categories Very low, low and moderate. Once funds are exhausted in a specific category it may take several months before  they get replenished.

You spoke of loans for "poor" people. Regardless of your affluency (income level) you must qualify for affordability or debt ratios for the mortgage amount that you are seeking. USDA and SHIP are separate agencies with varying criteria. To make the loan come together you must qualify and be eligible for each agency under their guidelines. If you don't qualify in one agency program then the other program will automatically be disqualified if you need the resources of the other to make  the loan work.

When using the resources of two separate agencies the whole process has to be orchestrated very closely. If you did not have the services of a good and competent loan officer then this may have contributed significantly to your problems.

I am certain that there are many factors or variables that are not known to me at this point and the only way to completely understand is for me to have a discussion with you and ask some appropriate questions to make sure that the complete picture is understood.

I am not sure if you are a regular visitor to this website or will return to this article to view my comments so I will email you directly. Bottom line, if you would like to discuss this in more detail, please feel free to call or email me. Likewise, it sounds as though you have not completed the purchase of a home so if you would like to re-visit the possibilities I would be happy to discuss this with you at your earliest convenience.

Regardless, my best wishes to you!

8:29am • #8
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Ron, great post!  I've come across this program from time to time but still haven't used it.  Lump me together with the L.O.'s who believed that these programs were too difficult and tedious to close and harsh on appraisals.  Now I know that that's a stereotype for government programs.

I'm going to take another look at it because everywhere around me within 20 miles probably qualifies.

I also see a dichotomy, I guess.  You've got income limits so your borrowers are middle class or worse.  Then you've got pretty low DTI guidelines.  I think that's how Hope got into her problem. 

Thanks for the reminder about the program.  I'll make a point to see if my clients fit it.

8:14pm • #9
MAR
14
2007
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Kevin,

Thanks for stopping by and commenting. Look for the opportunity to make one work.  Once you get one under your belt they all seem to be easier and more understandable.  Let me know how it goes! By the way, congratulations on your 1st featured post.

6:42am • #10
MAY
09
2007
Ron, do you happen to know if any lenders have rolled out the AUS for RD loans to the broker community
9:57am • #11
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Alan,

I was told a year or so ago that they were working on the AUS for Rural  Housing.  Have not heard that it has been rolled out yet. I look forward to it. I can't remember what they called it but the acronym sounded like a man's name?

10:11am • #12
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Very good post!  I used to work with a gal who did quite a few USDA loans.
11:23am • #13
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Michael,

Thanks for stopping by and your compliment. Many loan officers and Realtors perceive that this is a "red tape" program but once you have one or two under your belt they are not all that bad to originate.

4:08pm • #14
MAY
11
2007
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Alan and others, Just In!

Rural Development will soon implement the first release of the new Guaranteed Underwriting System (GUS), an automated underwriting recommendation system. This fact sheet details the functionality of thefirst release, how lenders can access this free service and proposed future releases to the core system.

What is GUS and What does it do?

GUS is an automated system to help the lender process Rural Development Guaranteed loan applications. For no fee to the Agency, authorized lenders may use the system to submit an application for an eligibility determination, pre-qualification or final submission to Rural Development. It is a rules based decision engine along with a modified version of the FHA TOTAL scorecard. Combined, the functionalities of GUS indicate a recommended level of underwriting and documentation to determine a loan's eligibility for the Single Family Housing Guaranteed Loan

Program (SFHGLP).

First phase implementation functionality includes:

♦ Income and property eligibility determinations;

♦ Automated application submission to the Agency;

♦ Automated credit-decision;

♦ Automated population of relevant data from credit reports;

♦ Preliminary underwriting prior to submission to the Agency; and

♦ Detailed Findings Report with an underwriting recommendation and analysis. GUS

delivers an "Accept" or "Refer" or "Refer with Caution" recommendation based on risk

evaluation analysis and existing SFHGLP regulations. Detailed conditions and

documentation requirements for conditional commitment, closing and loan guarantee

are outlined for the lender and Agency.

How Can Lenders Access GUS?

GUS is a web-based system designed with many users in mind. Approved SFHGLP lenders will register and complete a User Agreement to become an authorized user of GUS. User Agreements may be obtained from the Agency and are required documentation prior to access to the system. Additionally security access to the system by authorized user will be processed through a selfregistration process by creating an e-Authentication account.

2:05pm • #15
JUL
12
2007

    Ron,

 What a great blog. It is very informative. I'm trying to find a few acres and put a manufactured home on it. I live in a rural area, so that won't be a problem. But I didn't know if the USDA program applies to these kinds of homes. And will this loan work for buying the land also?

  

Sadie
11:28pm • #16
JUL
14
2007
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Sadie,

Thanks for stopping by and commenting!  FYI, the USDA will not make loans for single/double-wide manufactured/mobile homes.  However, modular is ok.  Just in case you are not sure of the difference, Modular homes are built off site and transported to site on a flat-bed trailer and positioned on an existing/prepared foundation. Purchasing land is okay, however there may be some  limitation on the maximum acreage amount.  I hope this helps!

4:11am • #17
I've never heard of this. Thanks for sharing.
11:08am • #18
if this is the one where they have to be in a low to moderate income area then i think im doing one now with citimortgage
3:55pm • #19
JUL
15
2007
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Cheri,

You are most welcome. I hope that it benefits you at some time.

Dominick,

There are other mortgage programs that are geared toward income levels.....but maybe.  The Rural Housing program income limits track with HUD Area Median Income  guidelines adjusted for family size.

5:12am • #20
SEP
04
2007

Hello,

   Could you please tell meif it is possible to get a loan with a credit score below 620 and what type of funding they would provide for a family of 6? My dad got a loan through this program and he said something about a certain amount of rooms based on family size?  Is the amount of the loan provided based on income?  I look forward to hearing from you soon.

 Thanks!

Jenni
4:38pm • #21
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Jenni,

Yes it is possible to get a loan with a credit score <620.  There is no minimum room requirement per se. The home should adequately accommodate the needs for a family of 6. The amount of the loan is based on affordability/debt ratios.  the maximum debt ratio is 41% however exceptions may be made based on compensating factors. There a income guidelines but I cannot provide them unless I know the city/county/state.  If you want to share this with me I will be happy to provide those details.

7:00pm • #22
SEP
13
2007

Hello Ron.

What a great blog you've created.  I am in Georgia and looking to start using this program. Trying to get as much information about the program.  My biggest concern is the credit and how lenders will evaluate that.  It would be really nice to know what things they will be looking for so I can be prepared for that.  I've heard of the red tape problem, but that was probably the other program that you discussed.  Any advice you can give would be greatly appreciated.

David Anderson
1:59pm • #23
Great information!
Jim
2:01pm • #24
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David,

Thanks for your comments..they are appreciated. It doesn't appear that you were signed in when posting your comments. If you will send me an email I will be happy  to provide you with some addtional information that will be helpful.

Jim...thanks!

To All: I just made a follow up post to this blog/subject matter that you may be interested in:

USDA Rural Housing Loans Update: It is Still Under-Utilized!

I make a recommendation/suggestion that I would appreciate your feedback on!

2:21pm • #25

Hello Ron

Just stumbled onto your post.

Someone else just mentioned this program to me as under utilized.

After checking out the USDA link it seems almost all of Marion County except the city of Ocala itself qualifies!

2:36pm • #26
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Joe,

There you go! Great thing to know as well as a resource to inform you clients of. FYI, I do and will drift up Ocala way from time to time....and if it makes sense.  Good luck....in this market we need every thing we can muster to make business happen.

2:44pm • #27
SEP
14
2007

Ron, thanks for sharing this info, I am going to look into this, I think this can really help out my clients.  Do the properties have to qualify?

John Thomas  - Citizens Lending Group - http://www.DelawareMortgageLoans.net

11:03pm • #28
SEP
15
2007
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John,

Firstly, the property address must be eligible. I one time we relied on maps with the qualified areas being blocked/shaded. This was a little haphazard as occassionally a boundary would run down the middle of a street or road and you might not be sure of its eligibility. An address on one side of the street would be eligible but the home across the street would not be.  This guess work got eliminated when UDSA developed their online address eligibility search...its great.

The subject dwelling has to be in good-excellent shape. An FHA equivalent appraisal is required.

No swimming pools.

No jalousy windows.

Depending on area/region the Attic/sidewalls must have adequate insulation (R factor).

If acreage, minimal, 2 acres or less, I believe.

Must be adequate to serve to needs/size of family.

No minimum/maximum mortgage amount.

I would recommend that you visit the USDA Rural Housing Website for more details/information.

 

Good luck!

6:24am • #29
SEP
17
2007

   Hello Ron, 

Just a question.......I am thinking about buying my first home. I checked my credit score with TransUnion, and it was 770. Is that an average score? And I also co-signed an auto loan for a very close friend a few months ago. It shows up on my report as a joint loan. When I start shopping for a mortgage, will the lender look at the joint loan, and plug that into my debt to income ratio???? I had to help my friend, I just hope it doesn't keep me from buying my first home.

Thanks......this is a great site......

 

 

 

Sam
1:33am • #30
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Sam,

Your credit score is very good to excellent. This score level will open doors for you! The joint auto loan will have to be calculated in your budget for qualifying debt ratios unless you can produce satisfactory documentation that the other borrower has made timely payments for the past 12 months. That might be dropped to 6 months with other strong compensating factors.  Good luck.

3:16am • #31

Ron, Thanks for answering my question, I will search around on their website.

John  Thomas - Citizens Lending Group - http://www.DelawareMortgageLoans.net

 

6:36am • #32
NOV
08
2007

33 yrs ago, my husband (@ that time) & I  purchased a home , no $ down & VERY small payments(adjusted by our income) acerage (1 acre),home,appliances, well & septic & everthing in the house(except)A/C unit we did not qualify for that at the time...It was a Farmers home loan ...The contractor built the house according to what we picked out(cabinets, flooring appliances,,,etc)on an acre that we chose.   No down payment no closing cost...no nothing and we were in our house in 4 mths. from start to finish....I'm proud to say...I'm STILL in that house and still loving it...But I have a question.  My daughter is going through some hard times , she has 2 children and not much income at this time....ARE These loans still available and where do we apply for one. 

 thank you for your help & concern

 acook@category5.net

4:15pm • #33
NOV
13
2007
what if my credit score is 529/516/529 and I have a lot of collection accounts mostly medical bills and two reposessions will you still be able to help?
12:49am • #34
NOV
14
2007
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To acook,

The purchase of your home using Farmers Home was done under their Direct Loan program. The payments were subsidized base on your household income and increased periodically based on increases in this income.  I don't know where you reside so I would suggest that you go to www.usda.gov and do a search for a USDA Rural Housing office nearest you or your daughter. These Direct loans are still being done. Good luck.

4:22am • #35
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To credit score 529/516/529:

Based on the information you provided...straight forward.....probably difficult but not necessarily impossible. There are many factors, considerations, explanations, compensating factors to look at.  Every deal is it's own deal as there will be something that sets it apart from another. It may be that you would have to work on tweaking your credit/scores a bit as part of getting on the path to homeownership.  Only a detailed discussion with a competent loan officer and access to a tri-merge credit report can determine the possibilities.

4:32am • #36

My son is approved for a USDA loan. I have some questions as it seems too good to be true.

What if he sells the house?

How much can his payments go up if his income goes up?

How often is his income eveluated?

Does he pay interest on the subsidy if he sells the house?

Thank you

Jul 

 

juls
9:33am • #37
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Juls,

It appears to me that your son is doing a Direct Loan with USDA/Rural Housing, if so, I only have a fundamental knowledge of these loans as they are done directly with Rural Housing and not a mortgage lender such as myself. As a lender we participate in the Guaranteed Rural Housing program.

Firstly, I would have to think that if your son has applied or has been approved for a "Direct Loan" that he would have received disclosures which would answer most, if not all your questions. Aside from this, here is my opinion, if in fact, he is getting a direct loan.

If he sells his home at some time in the future some amount of the interest subsidy may be subject to recapture when the sale/settlement is final.  I cannot speculate on what this may be as there are or will be variables.

The mortgage payments would rise based on increase to the household income.  This means as he can afford more, his payment will go up and the interest subsidy by USDA will decrease which theoretically means that future recapture would also be less in the event of a sale.

I would think that income would be reviewed at least annually but suppose they would reserve the right to check it out at their discretion.

They probably have established formulas to evaluate changes in the income and subsidy.

I hope this helps!  Good luck.

1:38pm • #38
JAN
22
2008
I have my mortgage through USDA Rural Housing and it is a godsend.  They mortgaged a new built home for me and even partially subsidized the mortgage payment for 2 years while I got on my feet.  Also, should I later become disabled they will once again subsidize my mortgage.  It is a great feeling to know you won't lose everything should a bit of bad luck come your way.  Also, the people who helped me through the headache that is a mortgage application and approval process were awesome!  You couldn't find kinder folk anywhere.
Renie
3:28pm • #39
JAN
23
2008
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Great post.  I love this program and use it as my first choice when everything falls into place.
8:37am • #40
FEB
02
2008

Has anyone out there sold a home that had a direct loan that was paid off, with the exception of the recapture?

 Our home was built in 1981 and the loan was satisfied but now we are considering selling it. From what I understand the recapture % will be based off the appraisal value.....just looking for some examples.

Thanks

Dan
6:35pm • #41
FEB
03
2008
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Renie,

Thanks for sharing your story with us. I'm glad that this mortgage financing program has served you so well.

6:26am • #42
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Don, thanks for commenting. I would like to use more often than I do.  Unfortunately, much of my business by demographics excludes the use of USDA GRH program. Given the recent changes with FannieMae/FreddieMac underwriting this loan program is even more valuable to have in the hip pocket.
6:31am • #43
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Dan,

I have not seen the results for interest subsidy recapture in many years.  It may be possible that there is an abatement after x number of years??  I might suggest that you could do a couple of things:

 1).  If you still have all your original loan documents/disclosures from when you originally closed on the purchase of your home there may be a disclosure that explains the recapture and maybe whether or not it may be forgiven after some period of time.

2)  Call your local/regional USDA Rural Housing office and and pose your question to one of their housing specialists.

Good luck,

6:39am • #44
FEB
07
2008
Great Information, thank you for the details of your post !
11:14pm • #45
Ron, thank you for the post!  I have been introducing agents to this program this past year and it is amazing how many people have never heard of it.  This is a great product!
11:21pm • #46
APR
21
2008
What lenders are doing the USDA loan program?
Chris Goode
12:59pm • #47
MAY
02
2008

great blog!!  I work with Larry on this in the Clermont office!

 Great info... I am copy and pasting it into an email for a buyer!

Thanks again~ 

 

2:10pm • #48
MAY
03
2008
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Eric,

Thanks for stopping by and commentting, I hope in some way this helps you.

Chris,

There are several wholesale investors that do Rural Housing.  to name a few: Chase Rural Housing, Freedom Mortgage, First Horizon and TaylorBean.  Hope this helps!

2:31pm • #49
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Sherri,

You are absolutely right!  That is one of the reasons I decided to write a  blog on it.  Good luck!

Patty,

Nice  to hear from you.  I hope this info helps you with your client.  Tell Larry K. hello as well as AmyO. You are in a great area for USDA Rural Housing as all of Clermont/Lake County are eligible for this product.

2:36pm • #50

Thanks Ron... I am trying to get Larry K to sign up on this website too!

 Patty

5:54pm • #51
MAY
06
2008

If I sell my house for more than the appraised value because of it's location and a desire of the purchaser to develop it commercially and I did not want to sell it (instead of using it as a residential home as I do) will they accept an appraisal from a certified appraiser to calculate the recapture as opposed to a higher selling price? It says that I can provide and appraisal from a certified appraiser OR P&s

Thanks

Mike
7:23pm • #52
MAY
07
2008

Great Post! I just started using these loans and they are great!

John Thomas - Certified Mortgage Planner

9:22am • #53
MAY
09
2008
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Mike,

It would be best to pose this question of your local/regional USDA Rural Housing Office.  However, in my opinion, a calcuatlion of your recapture amount should be based on it's value as a residential owner-occupied property. But just my opinion!

John,

That's great....I wish you best of luck.  USDA  Rural Housing is now essentially the only 100% program left over from the "olden days".

10:49am • #54
MAY
18
2008

Ron this is a great blog. I live in NJ and am looking to relocate to Horn Lake MS.  The developer there offers USDA loans. Do you have any in on the requirements there? Also, I am partially disabled, do they take that into account when looking at credit history?

Richard
11:02am • #55
MAY
19
2008

So glad I found this!!  I recently discovered this USDA loan while searching the web.  You have summed things up very nicely and for a first time home buyer like me, that means a lot!  I have a question about part of the criteria.  It is stated the person must be without or not own suitable or adequate housing.  My fiance and I rent a decent place.  Do we still meet that criteria?

Thanks in advance!

Mandy
3:45pm • #56
MAY
20
2008
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Richard,

The basic requirements are pretty much the same from state to state.  There may be some difference in the limits on household income based on family size. Your partial disability should not factor into your overall eligibility.  If there are some credit issues resulting from a disability it might be appropriate to provide a good letter of explanation of your particular circumstances and how this contributed to any adverse credit items.  Good luck to you.

Mandy,

As a renter, you are eligible from that perspective.  With USDA Rural Housing you just cannot own another home at closing. Likewise, you do not have to be a first-time buyer.

6:27am • #57

Thanks for the reply!  I do have another question.  Does the person receiving the loan have to live in the home for a certain number of years?  For example, a local housing program requires the owner to live in the home at least 10 years in order to avoid any penalties.  Does the guaranteed loan work the same way?

Mandy
8:48am • #58
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Mandy,

To the best of my knowledge Rural Housing does not require that you live in the home for a specified time frame nor are there any penalties.

9:33am • #59
MAY
22
2008

Hello. we got a flyer in the mail about this loan (the usda gauranteed laon) and few weeks ago and contacted the mortgage lady. She pre qualified my husband and we found a house and put an offer that got accepted. In the meantime she submitted our loan package to chase mortgage. We are so nervous, we dont know what to expect. My husbands scores were low to high 560/589/624. He had 3 collections that we paid last week. We also wrote a letter that explained the circumstances out of our control that caused him to be behind a few years ago. I am concerned that we wont get approved and we are still waiting. The package was received this past monday so today is the 4th day. We only have till the 28th to get an approval or we lose out on the house. What are your thoughts?

nicole
2:18pm • #60
MAY
24
2008
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Nicole,

I can understand your concerns and anxiety!  While credit scores are an indicator of the liklihood that a loan may be workable there are many other factors to be considered as they relate to employment, residency, assets, debt service/ratios, etc. 

I cannot accurately judge or predict the results based solely on the information that you have provided. Unless your loan officer has given you reason to be concerned I would keep the faith in her and her abilties.  If a fully documented loan package went to Chase I would believe that the underwriting will be received in time to meet the conditions of your purchase contract.

Best wishes and good luck!

5:29am • #61
JUN
03
2008

Hello Ron, I am please to announce we were APPROVED for the home! We are signing papers tomorrow or thursday! We started this process on May 7th! We have been so pleased with this loan thus far (aside from the waiting for the approval!) We are even getting most of our earnest money back at closing!

nicole
2:23pm • #62
JUN
04
2008

Can the guaranteed housing loan be used to build a home?

Mandy
3:40pm • #63

Ron,

I have heard about this loan before and know it could be beneficial.  How do you become apporved to offer these types of loans?

4:09pm • #64
JUN
06
2008
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Nicole,

I am happy to hear this.  We all tend to be a little impatient when we are waiting for good news! May your new home be a source of joy and a home to many blessings to come. Congrats!

7:53pm • #65
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Mandy,

To my knowledge it cannot be used for construction-perm.  It could be use to take out a construction loan, I believe.

7:55pm • #66
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Casey,

It has been years since I have been in operations.  I don't think it requires any special process. There is no separate approval similar to FHA/VA. I recommend that you contact your regional Rural Development office or if there is a Chase Rural Housing A/E that services your area, he/she would be a great source of information. Chase Rural Housing is a premier USDA lender.

8:01pm • #67
JUN
19
2008

I have a client applying for a USDA mortgage and appreciate being able to get the details from your blog.  Thanks for the post.

1:15pm • #68
JUN
20
2008

Ron and Mandy,

Here in Lake Co. FL we have been using RD as a construction take out loan with single closings and modified notes for some time. The construction environment has changed with the market though and I really haven't heard of it being used in a while.

You may be familiar with Charlie Johnson Builder in Mount Dora. If anyone is still participating in the program they are.

Ron, this is excellent information and so well presented! Kudos to you sir!

Gerry Suarez, Jr

Your HUD Loan pro!

8:28am • #69

Ron, Thanks for the info! I have a couple of Realtors that really like the Rural Development loan and I never knew too much about it. Now I know more! Thanks!

Chris

11:21am • #70
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Ron - really good info here.  The USDA Rural Development loan is used quite a bit in my area (Desoto and Tate counties in north MS).  The only experience I have had with it is with the Direct loan.  My buyer used it to purchase a home in Hernando, MS and it worked out great. 

2:34pm • #71
JUN
21
2008
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Laura,

Thanks for your comment and feedback. Once you get one or two of these under your belt you'll be off and sailing!  It is the only true 100% financing program left in the marketplace.  Good luck!

Gerry,

Hi Neighbor!  You are in a great area for this product.  Unless something has changed  that I haven't picked up on, all of Lake County is eligible for this product.  Alot of LO's and Realtors don't really know what they are missing out on.  Thanks for the feedback on originating USDA wi/construction loans.  To my knowledge, only end or take outs was workable.  Thanks for  your compliments, they are most appreciated.

6:27am • #72
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Chis,

Glad to contribute to your knowledge, now the ball is in your court.  Seize the opportunity! Good luck.

Pam,

The USDA direct loan has its' advantanges. For several years I have been a loan officer with a Direct Lender and also a licensed mortgage broker.  Several years ago I originated a loan (with a previous lender/employer) for a young/newly married couple on a completed builder spec home.  Our in-house underwriter denied the  loan. I advised operations not to remove the loan from our/my active  pipeline as I wanted to pursue another option.  I repackaged the loan file and drove to the regional USDA office and presented the loan to the senior housing specialist for consideration in the direct loan program. Two to three weeks later the loan was closed.  My operations people were a bit surprised, my clients and the builder were estatic.

7:02am • #73
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Ron - I am located in Knox County Ohio which is a smaller rural community and the USDA loan programs are extremely popular here.

7:32am • #74
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Sam,

Thanks for your feedback...that's great to hear!  In the so-called "hay day" of mortgage financing  the availabilty of 100% financing was every where.  Many of these programs did contribute to the "mortgage mess" that we are experiencing.  No so with this program!

 

To All;

I just added a post script/update to this post somewhat tied to my above remarks to Sam.

7:52am • #75
JUN
24
2008

Ron,

Yes Lake County is indeed 100% RD compliant so we are still writing considerable business here. I'm amazed, however, to see how much Orange Co. is still considered rural in between us. Doing a deal in Winter Garden as we speak.

Please feel free to call on me if you need anything Lake or N. Orange specific, and I'd love the opportunity to be able to call on you for those BVL inquiries!

Thanks!

Gerry Suarez, Jr.

Your HUD Loan Pro!

8:14am • #76
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Gerry,

Thanks for commenting...nice to know that I have a competitor or two around.  Maybe we should be a more hush hush on this great source for 100%+ financing :>)

8:58am • #77

Ron,

Thank you for taking the time to explain this program.  I have a listing in which the seller utilized this program and I was looking for an details to help me better understand it.  Who knows, maybe the new buyer will be able to utilize it too.  Thanks again!

 

10:59am • #78
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Carla,

A very warm welcome to the ActiveRain Community!  There is a wealth of knowledge and information within the membership.....and  most are very willing to share it! Thanks for making my/this post one of your early visits and remarks.  Thanks for your feedback, who know's maybe the new buyer will.  The power of suggestion goes a  long way.  Best of luck.

11:13am • #79
JUN
25
2008
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what is USDA direct? I have been closing quite a few USDA loans recently. I send a copy package to USDA regional office but the investor underwrites the loan as well.    can i send directly to USDA?   help me out here....

11:05pm • #80
JUN
26
2008
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Lewis,

Unlike, USDA Guraranteed Rural Housing loans originated by most of us, Rural Housing Direct Loans are loans that are directly funded by the Government.   These loans are available for low- and very low-income households to obtain homeownership.  Applicants may obtain 100% financing to purchase an existing dwelling, purchase a site and construct a dwelling, or purchase newly constructed dwellings located in rural areas.  Mortgage payments are based on the household's adjusted income.  These loans are commonly referred to as Section 502 Direct Loans.

Purpose:  Section 502 loans are primarily used to help low-income individuals or households purchase homes in rural areas. Funds can be used to build, repair, renovate or relocate a home, or to purchase and prepare sites, including providing water and sewage facilities.

Eligibility:  Applicants for direct loans from HCFP must have very low or low incomes.   Very low income is defined as below 50 percent of the area median income (AMI); low income is between 50 and 80 percent of AMI; moderate income is 80 to 100 percent of AMI.  Click here to review area income limits for this program.  Families must be without adequate housing, but be able to afford the mortgage payments, including taxes and insurance, which are typically within 22 to 26 percent of an applicant's income.  However, payment subsidy is available to applicants to enhance repayment ability.  Applicants must be unable to obtain credit elsewhere, yet have reasonable credit histories. .

Terms:  Loans are for up to 33 years (38 for those with incomes below 60 percent of AMI and who cannot afford 33-year terms). The term is 30 years for manufactured homes. The promissory note interest rate is set by HCFP based on the Government's cost of money.  However, that interest rate is modified by payment assistance subsidy.

Standards:  Under the Section 502 program, housing must be modest in size, design, and cost. Modest housing is property that is considered modest for the area, does not have market value in excess of the applicable area loan limit, and does not have certain prohibited features. Houses constructed, purchased, or rehabilitated must meet the voluntary national model building code adopted by the state and HCFP thermal and site standards. Manufactured housing must be permanently installed and meet the HUD Manufactured Housing Construction and Safety Standards and HCFP thermal and site standards.

Approval:  Rural Development officials should make a decision within 30 days of the Rural Development office's receipt of the application.

5:01am • #81
JUN
30
2008

I recently went to the FEMA website to read on floods and flood insurance.  It stated that goverment backed loans require the home owner to purchase flood insurance regardless of the flood zone.  Is that true for this loan? 

Mandy
6:32pm • #82
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Mandy,

Interesting!  I have never had Flood Insurance mandated on this or any other type of loan when the property/improvements was not located in a flood zone. If a property is not in a flood zone I don't believe that coverage could be forced or rmandated. I have seen an elevation survey required a number of times to document that improvements were in fact outside flood zone.

6:54pm • #83
JUL
12

Ron,

I believe this is by far the best post I've read since joining AR, and now I can say I've actually bookmarked a page.  I have been trying to learn more about this program over the last week or so, and I think I learned more reading this than I had in all my other research put together!

THANK YOU!

Ron Brown

First Mortgage Company of Washington

7:15pm • #84

Ron,

I've just partnered with a builder who introduced me to the 502 Direct program... this was the first time I've heard of this program, and I'm in Texas where we have LOTS of rural land! Amazing... however, I knew that if I really wanted to know about Rural Development...A/R is where I'd find the answers. People who have been there and done that. Thank you so much for the information provided by you...

Your Colleague,

10:23pm • #85
JUL
13

This post gave me the information I needed to look up a property.

Thank you

7:27pm • #86
JUL
14
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Ron,

Thanks for taking time to comment and your kind remarks.  I'm glad that you took something away with you and that you USDA RH will be an option made avaiable to your  clients. It appears that it  is a great product for your neck of  the woods.

5:41am • #87
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Diego,

Takes for commenting.  I hope that USDA RH and/or the 502 program will be a great resource for you. I was in the DFW area about 2 months ago....and yes... you do have some great rural areas. I marveled at them!

Judi,

Great...given the nature of the market...this will give  you an edge on others that do not know or understand  this program.  Good luck!

6:09am • #88
JUL
18

I am waiting approval of a usda loan.  I am using a mortgage broker and the property is in Wake County North carolina.  Can you tell me what is a reasonable amount of time for these loans to be approved?  The mortgage guy told me these loans take longer to approve.  Is he slacking or is this true?  It has been 4 weeks and still no appraisal.

Thank You,

Laurie Kaliff

laurie kaliff
8:25am • #89

I am waiting approval of a usda loan.  I am using a mortgage broker and the property is in Wake County North carolina.  Can you tell me what is a reasonable amount of time for these loans to be approved?  The mortgage guy told me these loans take longer to approve.  Is he slacking or is this true?  It has been 4 weeks and still no appraisal.

Thank You,

Laurie Kaliff

laurie kaliff
8:25am • #90

Laurie,

Although lenders around the country that handle RD loans have been overwhelmed as of late, four weeks is excessive an would indicate something is likely wrong. Additionally, the final underwriting will be done with the appraisal so unless your seeking a "credit only" approval your loan is very much off track.

If your lender advised you that your deal was marginal and is trying to obtain a credit approval before spending your money on an appraisal he is only being prudent. If that's the case getting your deal underwritten will take longer since it's not as high a priority as deals with definitive closing dates and appraisals in hand.

Still, four weeks is about as long as it takes to close deals here in Central FL.

Feel free to call or email me if you wish to share more of the specifics.

Gerry Suarez, Jr.

Your HUD Loan Pro!

8:38am • #91
JUL
19
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Laurie,

I pretty much concur with Gerry's comments to you. Either something has to be  resolved with your credit, eligibility or some aspect of qualification for the process to be this far along and the appraisal not completed. Is your loan  officer communicating with you regularly?  If not, I would contact him and try to pin down what is happening. More  specifically why the appraisal has not been completed at this  stage of your application.

2:03pm • #92
AUG
03

Ron,

I'm on the seller's side of a deal; I'm a realtor & m.b. and the buyer is trying to get a usda loan, it's been 8 weeks, 4 extensions & they just asked for 2 more weeks extension---it's a short sale---I've been doing this stuff 30 years and never did a usda---always figured them for farms or rural businesses. Anyway, what do you think? How would I find out how much available usda money is out there. I'm in Tampa area.

Keith G.

 

 

Keith G.
9:04pm • #93
AUG
04
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Keith,

As you are on the seller side of this transaction I have to assume that the short sale has been "blessed".  Your remarks do not necessarily indicate that the requests for extensions was due to availability of funds.  However, if in fact, this is the case, then there has been an additional infusion of $1.1 billion natonally which may not last long.These funds should be available by 8-7-08.  I suggest that you verify that the buyer has completed a reservation of funds with USDA.

Nationally, volume of USDA loans has more than doubled in 2008.  FY 2009 appropriation should be announced in the very near term.

 

5:28am • #94
AUG
05

Ron,

I'm still amazed to see how this post lives on! It has to be one of the most viewed (I'd prefer to say referenced) blogs on AR!

I'm curious to see what is appropriated for '09 though. Please do report on that once you hear the number, and I'll try to do the same.

Gerry Suarez, Jr.

Your HUD Loan Pro

8:26am • #95

Gerry,

At the time I made this post I was looking somewhat forward as to how our industry may change over the next year to two.  I did not imagine just how much interest the post would attract.

I have literally had scores of inquiries from all over the U.S. either by phone or email from consumers, Realtors and loan officers and even USDA officials

Given some of the reports I am hearing 2008 USDA volume is up  dramatically, some as much as 3-400% over 2007.  I may need to start/draft a new post: USDA---Over Utilized and Hard to Get! (from a funds availability perspective). :)  Our economy, budgets are facing many so many constraints that I have to wonder about appropriations/funding, etc.

The  flight to quality with other mortgage products/programs to include PMI coverage/availability is ever changing. Most PMI companies are now at a maximum of 90% regardless of what the GSE's permit. I suspect others will follow suit shortly.  All of these things will further increase the demand for USDA-RH, FHA/FHA Streamline, VA and DPA programs.  SHIP programs are overloaded with demand.

Are you still having fun? :)

 

Ron Withers
9:04am • #96
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Gerry,

Guess I am to pre-occupied with other matters.  I thought I was logged in when I made the above reply.   Yes  sir....having all kinds of fun, today!

9:09am • #97

Still having fun buddy, I was away for a bit catching up on the Aug pipeline. Something tells me we are shooting our own feet to keep hyping up RD!LOL

Yes the numbers are staggering, and you know it's only going to grow with the demand the new bill will place on the program. RD and VA are just about all that's left in 100%.

What's old is new...

Keep writing those deals, the economy is counting on us!:-))))

Gerry Suarez, Jr.

Your HUD Loan Pro

 

12:35pm • #98
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Gerry,

Well I go to bed quite often saying why...but my feet hit the ground each morning and my mind says...okay..let's do it...I 'm off to see the wizard.

Yes...my economic stimulas package goes around locally how many times??  Seven or so ..I believe.

1:52pm • #99
AUG
10

I was pre-approved for a Section 502 loan June 5, 2008.  I finally found the home I wanted on July 22, 2008 and put my contract in - after 2 weeks on August 7, I received a letter saying they could not take action on my loan request due to lack of funding.  I called the USDA office and all they would tell me was that they were out of money and I would have to wait until Jan or Feb of next year. Why would they not have reserved the money for me they have pre approved me for?

 

 

Rhonda
11:02am • #100
AUG
12
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Rhonda,

Your pre-approval means that you were qualified/eligible for the loan program. The funds available in the program are first-come, first-served and most likely subject to reservation.  Funds cannot be reserved until there is a accepted purchase contract on a subject property. Maybe between June 5th and July 22nd when you found your property funds were depleted. Sometimes funds availability may change with additional appropriations or other loans with reservations fall out of the system for one reason or another.  I would recommend that you continue to check back with the USDA office periodically between now and Jan-Feb.

Good luck!

6:00am • #101
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Rhonda,

An additional thought occured to me after I made my above response. Unless something has changed that I am not aware of, government funds are allocated for a fiscal year as opposed to a calendar year. The goverments fiscal year runs from Oct 1 to Sept 30.  I don't know why they may have told you that you have to wait until Jan-Feb.  I would think that additional appropriations would be available Oct 1st or shortly thereafter!

6:11am • #102
SEP
11
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Ron - Great Blog!!!  I live in Ventura County (SoCA) and work for a correspondent lender in LA County and always thought that these loans were basically to buy rural farms and/or horse property.  So, I was quite surprised recently when a realtor friend told me she had a client who was approved for this particular loan and she was showing him condos and PUDs in our area.

I have since gone onto the USDA site and found out where the eligible areas are in Ventura County.  My question now is do any of my correspondent and/or wholesale lenders offer this program and does our area have any money left to work with.  If there's money available and I've got lenders to originate with, I will definately be promoting this program more often to some of my client/realtor base.

Thx for the info, Ron.  I've subscribed to this blog and will definately be checking back to keep updated on any new info and/or changes.

4:31pm • #103
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PS - Ron, I've just added you as an associate because I would love to have you as my USDA go-to guy.

4:45pm • #104
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Ron - I have one more question.  Like the USDA guaranteed program, CalHFA also offers up to 102% cltv (incl. dpa) to low-medium income borrowers, which is a large percentage of my business.  However, CalHFA is not eligible for the 15yr, interest free loan (I simply refuse to call it a "tax credit") because it is a mortgage revenue bond (MRB) program.  Is the USDA program eligible for the 15yr, interest free loan being offered through the housing recovery bill or is it too an MRB program?

4:58pm • #105
SEP
13
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Donne:

Hello, and Happy Saturday!  Sorry for the delayed response. Thanks for your compliments,  the association and a touch of flattery as it appears that you may have visited my website.  I'll try to rise or live up to the expectations! :)

Do feel like the lone ranger as there are plenty of loan officers and realtors that are not fully aware of the GRH program. As far as funds availability, there are no funding issues that I'm aware of and I received program updates yesterday. The USDA 2008 fiscal year ends Sept 30th and sufficient funds remain.  New program allocations (FY2009) coming Oct 1st  or shortly thereafter.

As far as finding out which investors/wholesale lenders participate in GRH lending you probably should check with all your AE's.  There are a number of national lenders that do these although I don't monitor those that conduct business in California. Some of these might include: Chase Rural Housing, Freedom Mortgage, TBW, SunTrust, Wells Fargo, MetLife Home Loans (formery First Horizon) and maybe Flagstar.

In regarding to your last comments I am going to have to wrap my mind around them before I respond.   Best wishes and good luck. 

 

8:57am • #106
SEP
18

Ron - My husband and I have a contract to sell our house and last week, the day before closing, the buyer's financing fell through because of a change to his credit profile.  He is now trying to get a Rural Housing loan.  It was submitted on thursday the 11th and we were told by his new broker that it will take 5 days to hear whether he gets the endorsement.  Is this accurate?  I am concerned it will take much longer because we had already sent our stuff on a semi truck to Kansas (my husband is military).  So now I am sitting here in an empty house and have a contract on one to buy in KS with a closing date of 9/30/08.  Do you think we will be able to get house "A" closed by then in order to purchase house "B" (because we are reusing our VA elig)?   Thanks!

Heather
12:43am • #107
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Heather:

It's so sad to hear from you under these unfortunate circumstances. Hearing that your buyer's financing has fallen through 1 day before the scheduled closing would try the tolerance in the best of us.  Taking 5 days or so for an underwriting reply is not unreasonable by any means. Interpreting what was wrong with your buyer's credit profile that disqualified them on the previous loan is impossible to speculate on.  You can only hope/trust that the buyer's new loan officer/mortgage broker conducted a diligent pre-qualification for them under USDA Rural Housing guidelines.

Obviously, you must complete the sale of your present home which has a VA loan to be able to reuse your eligibility.  Not  to be pesimistic, I believe that you should prepare yourselves for the continguency that your present home sale may not be completed by the end of this month.  Make sure that all parties involved in your new purchase know your present circumstances. Is there any flexibility in the purchase contract terms for your new home?  Don't wait to the last moment to postpone your new closing or ask for an extension in time.   Hope this helps??? Best of luck to you!

4:16am • #108
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20

Trick in geeting into the income bracket

11:06pm • #109
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21
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Houses foreclosure:

Yes, while it is true that income guidelines do apply based on area median incomes which are adjusted  for household size and some other factors. However, one must realize that this program is generally intended to be an affordable housing program for many families that may not otherwise have an adequate opportunity to acheive their American Dream.

6:53am • #110

Hi I,m Basically trying to figure where do i get started now. I have alredy taking the class, now all that i need to do is try and find out what is my next step to help my credit because it is shot. could you please answer my question and possibly help me to get started.

Yolanda Allen
7:40am • #111
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Yolanda:

Firstly, I don't have sufficient information to adequately answer you question. You state that your credit is shot. Analyzing shot or any other statement about your credit can should be done by a loan officer/mortgage broker and one that participates in Rural Housing lending.  You must have an adequate credit file or nothing else will come together. If you have not done it, find/select a loan officer to work with and seek their guidance on what needs to be accomplished with your credit and formulate a plan to address or resolve any credit issues. You may have to be diligent and Patience depending on the severity of your credit issues.

9:01am • #112
SEP
25

Ron - Do these programs exclude existing homeowners?  You mentioned that these loans could be used to purchase land.  Does the land require that I build on it?  Or, could I place a doublewide on it that a family member would give to me as a gift?  There would be no cost for the doublewide since the family member would also pay to have it moved and set up. 

My issue is that I cannot afford a large down payment for land.  My goal is to set up a new place to live and rent/or sell my existing single family home.  I have tried conventional lending but my debt to income ratio did not meet Lender requirements for land loans. 

 

Any suggestions would be helpful.

 

Thank you,

Mike

Mike
10:32pm • #113
SEP
26
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Mike:

The USDA Rural Housing program does not limit eligibity to first-time homebuyers, however you just cannot own another home at closing.  You cannot purchase vacant land.....the property must have a dwelling on it that you intend to occupy and it cannot be a manufactured home/sgl-dbl wide.

In respect to your debt ratios, USDA Rural Housing will not give you any edge for higher debt ratios than standard conventional loans.  Most likely they will be a little stricter.

4:23am • #114
SEP
27

Hi Ron,

 

We are first time homebuyers in Maryland.  We would like to know if the only properties that qualify for USDA Rural Development Loan program are newlybuilt houses or do existing homes also qualify ? Is the formula for the amount we can borrow the same as FHA loan? Thanks for your reply.

4:07pm • #115
SEP
28
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Maryland Homebuyers:

Homes in eligible areas may be new or existing/previously occupied. Rural Housing permits 100% financing (zero down) in comparison to FHA's required 3% investment which will change to 3.5% down on October 1st.   Rural housing will also allow closing costs to be financed into the loan to the extent that the appraised value exceeds the contract purchase price.  Qualifying debt ratios will most likely be a little stricter for Rural Housing than a FHA loan.

3:09am • #116
OCT
01

Ron,

I applied for a direct loan to buy a modular house on 10 acres. The price of the home is 99,500 . I have 5 acres right now that my mom gave me but I cannot sell it my mom would be very upset.The loan officer said that if i use it for income property I would be able to keep it , is this true ? I have a few  Questions . Can I finance  a home through the direct loan that has 10 acres of land with it ? Is there a limit on acreage ? Help please.

 mrs. smith

mrs. smith
5:13pm • #117
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Mrs. Smith

In your comments you mention Direct Loan! Direct loans are done specifically through local USDA Housing Offices and I don't believe a loan officer would be directly involved.  You may be applying for the Guaranteed RH program. I am not an authority/expert for the Direct/502 program, however my instinct tells me that in either case financing 10 acres would not be permissable unless there are some special provisions for the area that you live in.  There is no problem with a modular home in itself.  It would also be my instinct that you would be able to retain the separate 5 acres unless you are in the Direct program and there are provisions that prohibit it.  Trust in your present loan officer until you otherwise have reason not to. Generally, I believe that up to 2 acres is permissible.

10:14pm • #118
OCT
02

I have a client who is trying to use this program now. I was not very familiar with it before hand. She has taught me a lot and now with this post, I am anxious to share the program with more clients. Thanks for posting!! 

9:15am • #119
OCT
03
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Melissa

Thanks for your comments.  RH is a great program and again perceived to be a lot of red tape which is not really the case.  Once you have a few of these under your belt you can really get into overdrive.  If you are in an area that has a fair amount of eligibilty and few of your peers know and understand the RH program then you will have a competitive edge.  Good luck!

6:03am • #120
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Melissa - I always thought that these loans were for farms until one of my Realtor friends told me that one of her clients was buying a new home with this loan.  I looked into the program a little more, found Ron Withers, who has been helpful and now I have my first RH client who has been pre-approved and is out there looking.

11:17am • #121
OCT
14

i live in wisconsin.

i am currently waiting to get a house with the loan mentioned in your post but i have been waitting for about 3 weeks because of the whole fiscal year ending and waiting for the government to allocate the funds. do you know who long this typically takes? the reason i am asking is we set a closing date of october 17th which is 3 days away and the money is still not there any info would help.

thanks in advance James

James
1:54pm • #122

i live in wisconsin.

i am currently waiting to get a house with the loan mentioned in your post but i have been waitting for about 3 weeks because of the whole fiscal year ending and waiting for the government to allocate the funds. do you know who long this typically takes? the reason i am asking is we set a closing date of october 17th which is 3 days away and the money is still not there any info would help.

thanks in advance James

James
1:54pm • #123
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James,

Regretfully, I do not have any inside information on FY2009 USDA funds appropriation. I do expect notification any day now.  Best of luck to you.

3:45pm • #124
OCT
21

Hi,

I'm a mortgage broker in the Seattle area.  We do have rural areas around Washington State, but a dirt CHEAP home here is $300,000.  So it's hard to stay within the 29/41 ratios with the income limits. Any tips or tricks you can suggest for me to utilize this program?

Tim
4:52pm • #125

Tim,

I'll take the liberty of answering and suggest you consider:

-the Seattle area income limit for a family of 4 is $88400- that's pretty generous and should reflect the fact that your real estate costs are high.

-a 660 or better credit score automatically qualifies as a "compensating factor" for higher ratios. I routinely do 49% back end on scores over 700.

-not knowing what your taxes and insurance run I guessed at some factors and show a 33.2% housing ratio ($300k purchase/7%/family of 4 limit). I understand that's a high front end but it leaves them with another $721/mo for additional debt to stay at 43%, which is very do-able with decent credit.

Sounds like you will have a challenge finding buyers and properties to fit, but it shouldn't be impossible. If affordability is that compromised I'd guess you will be seeing a price correction that might make things easier (I don't wish that upon you though- we've been living it here in Florida).

Hope this helps some!

Gerry Suarez, Jr.

Your FHA Loan Pro!

6:07pm • #126
OCT
22
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Tim,

I appears Jerry did a good job responding to your question.  Bottom line is that GUS can have some flexability with higher DTI with strong credit and compensating factors.  Good luck!

3:06am • #127
165,078 Points 2 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Apprecate the information (though I haven't read all the way through!)

9:38am • #128
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Matthew:

Thanks for your comments.  This post is a bit dated (early 2007), however the salient points are basically the same.  This has been a very active post for me in generating calls and emails from all over the country.  I have added a few Postscripts and I plan on a thorough review with an updated postscript as I don't want to stray from what it says and what folks have gleaned from it.  You might want to return to it in a day or two to check out minor updates to it.

10:07am • #129
NOV
05

I am quite fmailiar with these 502 loans after reading up on them.  I do have one question that you may be able to clarify for me.  The home that I would like to purchase is a repo.  It has an in-ground swimming pool that is NOT functional.  It will have to be filled in.  All of the pipes froze, cracked all of the concrete, destroyed the media filter, etc.  So basically, there is just a big hole in the backyard that is NOT a swimming pool any longer. 

Does USDA take that into consideration?

Kaleen
6:17pm • #130
NOV
06
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Kaleen:

In my opinion, the swimming pool or hole would have to disappear as a condition of loan closing. Even though the pool is not funtional the "hole" would probably be considered a safety issue.

4:37am • #131
NOV
26

I have bad credit but my husband has fair credit. I'm trying to repair mine most of it is about 5 to 6 years old . I was very young when I ruined my credit. We plan to pay all the bad debt that we have. Actually we have paid some already. I wanted to use the usda loan will we ever qualify for the loan ? what score should we set our goal to be before applying for the loan.

want a home
3:27am • #132
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Want A Home:

You should focus on achieving credit scores of 620 or greater. A few newer accounts/tradelines with no lates of 12 months or greater would be a plus in demonstrating that you have got your credit turned around.

3:50am • #133
NOV
27

We want to purchase a house with the usda mortgage loan but we want to know what score we need to qualify. What if we have some bad debt but its paid off. Some say if you have a score of 700 or higher there is no questions asked about delinquant accounts on credit report.

kayla
12:42am • #134
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Kayla,

You should focus on credit scores of 620 or greater.  Each situation is somewhat unique unto itself and how previous bad debits will impact cannot be addressed in detail without reviewing it, What, how much, circumstances, explanation, how long ago, etc.  Obviously, the older the better and the  fact it is paid is a plus.  It would be important/valuable for you to have some open tradelines over  the past 1-2 years that are or have been paid without lates.

The best thing that I can recommend to you is that if you are serious about purchasing a home at the earliest possible time that you find a good loan officer experienced in USDA Rural Housing loans and do a prequalification to determine the possibilities.  If the are some things that will be required to be tweaked with your credit an such they can help you get on a path or plan to home-ownership.

6:56am • #135
DEC
20

Hi! Do you happen to know the acerage limitations?  We are pursuing a property on 4 acres but most of it is forrest preserve so we cannot do anything to it anyway.  I would love to be able to utilize this program

Rebecca
2:33pm • #136
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Rebecca,

There is no particular limitation of amount of acreage, however there is a guideline that would serve to limit it. The site or land value cannot exceed 30% of the total fair market value (land & improvements).  I hope this helps.

3:21pm • #137
DEC
31

Thanks for the post, it is a tutorial on the program. And thanks also for including so many helpful links.

6:48pm • #138
JAN
01
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Maggie

You are welcome. I'm glad that you found some benefit from it.  Happy New Year!

4:17am • #139
JAN
08

HELLO ME AND MY HUSBAN ARE TRYING TO BUY A HOUSE. THERE IS SOME DELINQUENT ACCOUNTS ON OUR CREDIT THAT ARE LIKE 6 YEARS OLD. WE WERE GOING TO PAY THEM BUT WE WERE TOLD NOT TO BECAUSE THEY SHOULD GO AWAY AT 7 YEARS AND IF WE PAY THEM NOW THEY WILL RESET AND SHOW AS BAD DEBT FOR 7 MORE YEARS EVEN IF THEY ARE PAID. WE WANTED TO PAY THEM BECAUSE WE DO OWE THEM BUT NOW WE ARE CONFUSED.WE LIVE IN TEXAS AND THE STATUE OF LIMITATIONS IS 4 YEARS.SHOULD WE PAY THEM OFF OR CONCENTRATE ON RAISING OUR SCORE WITH THE CURRENT CREDIT CARDS WE DO HAVE. WHAT SHOULD WE DO .

LEE
12:15am • #140
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LEE:

Paying these old collections will most likely cause your credit scores to fall. It is most difficult to render a solid opinion without reviewing a credit report.  Depending on amount and nature of these accounts or collections some may not have to be paid.  If some must be paid then it would be best to set aside the necessary funds and pay these at closing so as to not lower your scores. IMO, you should find a good local loan officer would does FHA and/or USDA Rural Housing loans and seek their guidance and assistance in orchestrating a home purchase.

Best of luck!

3:35am • #141
JAN
11
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Ron - having just recently originated one of these loans, I was surprised by how smooth the transaction was.  I was also one of those lenders that thought that this program didn't apply to any areas around here (Ventura County - SoCA).  Granted, there aren't a lot of eligible areas here in VC but for those that are interested, this is a great program to consider.

12:07pm • #142
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Donne:

That is fanatastic....can we have an Amen from the congregration? ....AMEN! Sorry, I was the first to see this request. :)  All kidding aside this is great....obviously you can testify that the "so-called" red tape doesn't really exist!  These days we have be open to every option and tool in the toolbox. So...go find another replacement loan and spread the news.  Best wishes!

12:18pm • #143
JAN
19

Hello.  I have a credit score of 620.  I have four accounts in bad standing as collections or charge off but I already paid them. They are not very old though.  I have eight accounts open and in good standing with a total balance of 3500.00 .  Is it possible to qualify for a usda loan.

susie
10:32pm • #144
JAN
20
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Susie,

To get straight to your question....Yes it is still possible for you to qualify for a USDA loan!  There are many factors to consider in your pre-qualification.  If you are interested then I would recommend that you contact a loan officer that is familiar with USDA loans and discuss your situation.  If you reside in Florida feel feel to contact me.  Best wishes and good luck.

4:48am • #145
JAN
21

thank you now i have hope

susie
8:27am • #146
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Susie,

You are most welcome.....the world would truly be a sad place without Hope! It soothes the mind and is the door knob on the door's of opportunity.

8:38am • #147
FEB
08

I'm a little confused about one aspect of the USDA Guaranteed Rural Loan program...if the USDA is merely 'guaranteeing' the loan, why is funding for the program an issue for this loan?

TeresaS
1:08am • #148
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Lenders fund the loan with their own money. The guaranty by USDA once issued to the lender, insures the loan (reduces lenders risk of loss in the event of default). Congress appropriates the funds annually to financially back up all the guaranty's issued by USDA. The guaranty is not fully executed on  loans until USDA can extract funds from the appropriation and set them aside to individually and severally insure all loans for which they have issued guaranty's for. Hope this makes sense to you.

5:36am • #149

Hi Ron,

That does make sense.  I have been told by a local mortgage broker here in Tampa that most lenders are NOT closing any loans due to the lack of funds.  I have been reading online that this is probably not true, that many lenders are doing business as usual and closing these loans by submitting a request for reservatins of funds.  BTW, this mortgage broker issued me a good faith estimate on a 105,000 loan amount indicating a 2% commission plus additional fees which amounted to over $3000.  This seems excessive to me.....as a mortgage broker yourself, would you consider this typical for today's market?  I have a credit score that should enable me to obtain reasonable financing on my own (700+), but was considering this mortgage broker because she indicated that she knew of only one lender that was closing these USDA loans right now....and of course I would need to go through her company to obtain that loan.

Any opinion/advise on this?

TeresaS
1:02pm • #150
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Teresa,

The statement by your local mortgage broker is correct. Many lenders are not closing any USDA loans until USDA receives their funds appropriation from the government. USDA is issuing a commitment with language that makes the commitment subject to receipt of appropriated funds.

Those lenders that service their own loans or have the financial ability to service the loan until funds are available and then sell into the secondary market may elect to continue closing loans.

In regards to the costs that you cite, they sound competitive if the broker has accurately reflected the cost for prepaid items (tax & hazard insurance escrows and any prepaid interest) and state documentary stamp and intangibles tax fees. I have to assume that the interest rate is competitive.

I hope this helps!

2:46pm • #151
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Ron - I hope you don't mind if I just add one more thing and that was to the reference about only one lender in the area doing USDA loans.  I encountered a similar situation a few months ago when I had a client who wanted a USDA loan.

As a correspondent lender, I always had a large list of lending sources.  However, in today's market, our list of lending sources is getting smaller and smaller all the time.  Right now, I only have one lending source that I can submit USDA through and thank goodness for them.  Unfortunately, they too are not funding until funds are appropriated.

I don't know what other areas are like but here in Ventura County (SoCA), USDA is not a popular loan product because there are very few eligible areas. 

3:19pm • #152

Ron...it is actually quite disturbing that these fees are normal and customary.  If I went with this mortgage broker, my closing costs would be more than $8000.  Her fees ALONE, without the other customary closing costs added, were $3000. 

I suppose I will be contacting every lender on the USDA list directly and see if they are still closing loans.  I would have to be pretty desperate to pay this kind of fee on top of normal closing costs.

TeresaS
7:24pm • #153
FEB
09
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Donne,

No problem....jump in anytime!  I think that many of us near a major metropolitan area face the same thing. What helps in my situation is that I'm physically located in an area where I can immediately serve 4-5 counties. Although I will go anywhere in Florida if it makes sense.

Thats what's great with our technology is it does allow us to reach out/expand our service area.  Maybe you should take a look to see for what it would take to go beyond Ventura County???

3:34am • #154
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Teresa,

My apologies to you as I interpreted that you would have approximately $5000 in total costs (2pts & $3000) which IMO would be very competitive. I do not want to downplay your current mortgage broker or their costs, however if you would like me to review your GFE and provide further feedback please feel free to email or fax it to me. 

3:46am • #155
FEB
10
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Ron - thx for the suggestion and I am expanding my USDA prospecting area.  I am currently working with someone from LA County (adjacent to Ventura County) and like Ventura County, LA County has very few eligible USDA areas.

I don't know the geographical area of your counties but for me, serving both Ventura and LA Counties is a HUGE territory.  Granted, technology does make it easier to deal with prospects and clients who are at the other end of the county but are literally hours away from me or my office (traffic here is a %$#^&).

Just recently, I was contacted by a prospecticve buyer who found me through my website.  He's up north in San Francisco County and while he has no problem working with someone he won't personally meet, many of my clients like being able to sit down across the table with a real live human being and talk about the biggest purchase they will ever make (most of clients are first timers).

So, while I have no qualms about adjusting to serve a wider range, I also need to serve my base here in Ventura/LA Counties as well.  Have a good day Ron.  :)

3:59pm • #156
FEB
11
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Donne,

I hear ya!  From where I live and radius wise, I can drive/cover the bulk of 4 large counties. While Orlando takes up much of Orange County and is ineligible the remainder are largely eligible. Over the span of my career in the mortgage industry most of my business has been conducted in the home around the kitchen or dining room table. That's my preference and I also believe it helps in building a relationship with your client.

I, like almost everyone else, am a creature of habit. So doing business almost entirely via the internet, phone and overnight mail services is not my best option in that I feel the personal touch is lost.  Seeing clients face to face does reinforce their "comfort zone."

However, times are changing and people are changing. Commerce and technology seem to be moving at the speed of light! As such, consumers are increasingly conducting personal business based on convenience and speed. We must adapt to survive and compete. Howver, the "good ole days" will remain a fond memory.

Best wishes!

3:49am • #157
FEB
19

Is there an email address where I could contact you?  I have a few questions for you.  Thanks!

Crystal
9:46am • #158
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Hi Crystal:

Apparently you found or discovered how to contact me because I just received your message via ActiveRain.  I will be responding to you by email very shortly.

10:14am • #159
FEB
20

Hi Ron,

I am a Realtor who loves the USDA loan program. I have heard there is another bill coming that will increase the income limits. Have you heard anything about this bill and if so do you happen to know when it is scheduled to be signed? Thanks for any info you can provide.

Susan
6:49pm • #160
FEB
21
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Susan:

"I have taken the liberty of cutting and pasting a comment on another blog by Bob Coordsen of USDA regarding the pending change to income limits. I hope this helps!

The income chart revision scheduled for January 20 was postponed to March 20.  The Rural Development narrowing missed a threshhold date for the publication.  All new posted rule changes have been put on hold until President Obama's team has an opportunity to review them.  Our team cannot imagine that anyone would object to the change that you described.  It will open the opportunity for additional moderate income families to reach their homeownership goal at reasonable terms without PMI",

Go to www.rurdev.usda.gov/fl/guarrhs.htm (find the "Quick Reference Guide" for an overview) or www.rurdev.usda.gov for an abundance of information of information about the guaranteed loan product.

Bob Coordsen, USDA, Rural Development, FL/VI headquarters unit, Gainesville, FL

6:55am • #161
FEB
23

Thanks Ron for the info. So based on Bob's response, do you think he is saying the increase in income limits were scheduled to be posted on January 20 but are now postponed to March 20 pending approval from Obama's team? I'm not getting a clear read on the when...maybe they don't know... I'm not sure if he is saying they should have an answer from the Obama team by the 20th or they were planning to post changes on the 20th, but now may have to wait longer for Obama team approval? I have clients under contract that we are hoping will qualify under the new income limits. They need to close by the end of March. Thanks again!

Susan
9:57am • #162
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Susan,

My read is that USDA reasonably expects the that income revisions by March 20th and they believe the changes will be approved/accepted. However, my thought is we are dealing with the system and time frames should not be considered locked in stone. the Administration and Congress has a lot on their plate....so who knows. If your clients need the proposed changes to qualify then it might be well to prepare all parties to the transaction for a possible delay.....if possible!

10:39am • #163

Hello I finally got my score to a 620, is it true that no furher questions asked if your score is that high like some past collections or lates.

 

marie
8:00pm • #164
FEB
25
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Marie,

A 620 or higher credit score facilitates streamline processing of an application in that credit explanations and rental verification will not required. I would not construe that any unpaid collections may be left open. An underwriter would evaluate these on a case by case basis.

10:36am • #165

Its me again, about the collections they are in my report but i paid them in settlement. So they are closed now but are still concidered collections thats what I meant about them asking me about them or if it would affect me when applying for a usda loan.  All the bad collections on my credit are very old. Most of them are atleast 5 years or more. ( I live in Texas, if that helps). Alot of them should come off my credit this year.

Marie
11:59pm • #166
FEB
26
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Marie:

Based on what you have stated I believe that your situation is favorable regarding credit eligibility. If you are interested in moving forward with a home purchase then I recommend that you find/contact a mortgage loan officer that does USDA Rural Housing Loans in your area.  If you need a referral I would be happy to try to assist you.

8:43am • #167
FEB
27

I Have a Contract on a House and my Mortgage Broker got Us set up for a USDA Loan. Everything is good, except We already Missed one Closing Date. Got a 3 Week Extension. Now down to 11 Days. It took 2 Years to find a House and Now I'm afraid We are going to loose this Deal because they keep saying Everything is good to go , but Due to the New President they haven't released the Funds Yet. They keep saying any day, but I'm starting to Freak Out.

They say it will take 2 or 3 weeks after signing for Funds to be Released but WE don't even know if they have been signed Yet. I've got 3 Months waiting so Far and the Deal I got on this House may never Be duplicated.

We're supposed to Close on the 11th. Broker says don't worry , but I don't want to lose this House waiting on a Deal that will be too late. How can I find out if the Funds have even been signed for Release Yet?

 

Butch
6:51pm • #168
FEB
28
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Butch:

Your frustration and anxiety are most understandable! To have come so far and yet seemly be so far away. I would like to draw your attention to comment #161. I would believe that your loan officer is watching for the announcement that funds have been appropriated,,,,and they will be! Likewise that your loan officer will immediately notify you when this occurs. You really have no choice but to remain hopeful that the Seller will continue to demonstrate flexibility under the circumstances as you have no fault here.

If you still want to periodically check on the appropriation of funds for USDA Guaranteed Rural Housing then the only suggestion that I could offer is to call your local/regional USDA RHS Office for informational updates.

Best wishes and good luck!

PS. For those who live in Florida that may read this post. We have an investor that we send our USDA loans to that is continuing to accept and fund USDA Rural Housing loans knowing that the USDA Rural Housing will make conditional commitments subject to congressional appropriation of funds and that the Guaranty will be forthcoming.  As such we can process USDA Rural Housing loan applications with no delay!

3:38am • #169
MAR
05

Ron,

I have been going through an ordeal here with the USDA loan. I wanted to keep as much money in my savings as possible, so decided that the USDA loan would be the best route for me and my fiancee, even the payments were lower than a 3.5% down FHA. So when at the builder's office, we gave him the basic info he needed, and he was able to pre-approve us for the USDA. That was about February 21st. Fast forward to March 2nd.... Our lender who we are going through our builder with, called us, and stated to us that our loan was suspended in underwriting because our income is $9,000 higher than the USDA limit, and we had already done our first walk-through and the ball was already rolling for two weeks! First off, wasn't this something they should have stated to us in the beginning, before we got this far? Second, it looks like us getting this house is absolutely weighing on the fact that the new 2 tier system will pass on March 20th, because we were told we have to close in March. Shouldn't the builder be able to work with us and give us an extension since they originally were the ones that suggested we go with the USDA, and pre-approved us for it, and didn't let us know until the last minute that we were over the income limit? Also, in all honesty, what are the chances that this DOESNT go through on the 20th? We are really worried about this. Is there any way we will find out sometime before the 20th that it is/isnt taking effect that day? I heard that a formal objection had to be put in by March 5th for it to NOT go into effect, and if no objections are filed, it will go through... any truth to that?

Are there any other similar options out there?? I heard talk of a Keystone loan, or possibly a Florida Bond Loan?

Any advice and info would be greatful.  Sorry for all of the questions!!!

Scott
11:00pm • #170
MAR
06
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Scott:

First off, wasn't this something they should have stated to us in the beginning, before we got this far?

Yes it is!  Determining income eligibility is an integral part of the pre-qualification process. I don't know what your annualized household income is, however based on your comment about being $9000 over, it would appear to me that once the new income guidelines become effective you should be eligible.

Second, it looks like us getting this house is absolutely weighing on the fact that the new 2 tier system will pass on March 20th, because we were told we have to close in March. Shouldn't the builder be able to work with us and give us an extension since they originally were the ones that suggested we go with the USDA, and pre-approved us for it.

Given the fact that the Builder told you that you were eligible for USDA GRH is a major contributing factor to the delay. IMO, they should show more flexibility in extending your closing date as they misled you. I would think it would be in their best interest to cooperate. After all, it's not like anyone is beating down the doors of their business to purchase a new home (my assumption).

Also, in all honesty, what are the chances that this DOESNT go through on the 20th?

March 20th is an optimistic target date although there are no guarantees! Our Administration has a lot on their plate to deal with...so who knows?  My gut instincts are that it will happen but it could stretch into early April.

Is there any way we will find out sometime before the 20th that it is/isnt taking effect that day? I heard that a formal objection had to be put in by March 5th for it to NOT go into effect, and if no objections are filed, it will go through... any truth to that?

Not really, unless something gets announced in the news. The system requires that changes to the program be announced and put out for public comment/feedback before getting acted on.  The USDA changes did not meet the original published deadline so changes had to get published and allow a time frame for feedback.  So yes....that's truthful. The time from the 5th to the 20th was an estimated time frame for the Administration to receive and review the changes before issuing their ruling.

Are there any other similar options out there?? I heard talk of a Keystone loan, or possibly a Florida Bond Loan?

There is down payment assistance in Polk County as well as Florida Housing. Must be first-time buyer and meet income eligibility guidelines....so some possibility...but would need to discuss. Call me if you wish.

 Scott...update...see my next comment!

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Scott:

I was just listening to CNN news and they were reporting on a current $410 billion spending bill that has been held over which also involved the appropriation of funds to keep the government operation through Sept 2009. Evidently there is some bipartisan concern that the bill contains to many "earmarks" and some are urging President Obama to veto it.

I may be wrong...... but I suspect that the appropriations in this bill contain funding for USDA GRH for FY2009 as well as changes to income eligibility.  If so, this may very well cause further delay in your circumstances unless President Obama signs off. Again, I am not sure but I thought I should share this with you and others that may be on the proverbial bubble waiting on funds for USDA to issue their Guarantee's to lenders.

8:19am • #172

Well, It looks like I may need to come up with a back-up plan then! That is not good news. Hopefully he will sign it!

I have been considering the FHA, but the 3.5% will take a lot of money out of my savings, not leaving me with a comfortable reserve.... that is my only issue right now with the FHA.

I looked into the Florida Housing down payment assistance, and it appears that I do not qualify for that either due to our combined income.

I think my only solution right now is to go to my boss and request a salary decrease!

Do you know anything about the Keystone loan, and the income requirements for that?

Scott
9:07am • #173