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Can Vendors Get Real?

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with New Paradigm Partners LLC EB #1326335

One of the things that has always disturbed me about our industry has to do with the sub-industry that exists to sell us stuff. To be clear, I'm not referring to those companies who are involved with the real estate transaction itself - lenders, inspectors, title companies, etc, - but rather those that have goods and services they want to sell us.

 

Further, I have no problem with the concept that companies would want to sell us stuff. We're a capitalist free-market economy, real estate agents are a large discrete market, and we need stuff. And please note that this isn't a blanket condemnation. There are certainly some great vendors out there and some excellent products - but they're few and far between, and they're not who I am referring to in this rant.

 

What bothers me about this whole deal are two things: the sales methods used on us generally lack professionalism, and  the quality of the goods and services offered is poor more often than not.

 

I'm not going to dwell on the products and services themselves. Most agents who have been in the industry for a while know there is an amazing amount of junk out there, and have learned to avoid it. We know we can't make $600K a year working only 20 hours a week, that most leads we can purchase are worthless, and that there aren't any magic bullets that make everything easy.

 

blah blah blahBut let's talk about the marketing techniques we're subjected to. As for the really stupid stuff - the robo-call recordings and script-reading robots - that's just bottom feeding. I'm sure there are some agents out there who listen to that stuff and get hooked - there has to be, or we wouldn't still be getting those calls every day. And those techniques are the perfect method for marketing garbage - throw it all at the wall and see what sticks. These miserable pitches rely on ignorance, inexperience and desperation, and if someone gets sucked in, they're unlikely to be able to recognize a poor product until it's way too late.

 

Sometimes, though, we actually wind up talking to a salesperson. How often have those calls been from a vendor who knew anything about our specific business, understood our industry, or even had a clear idea of what we actually do every day? How often have they taken the short amount of time necessary to do enough research to understand our specific needs? How often have they asked us questions about our business? That kind of effort isn't difficult, terribly time-consuming or unreasonable to expect - it's just basic professionalism in sales.

 

But we rarely see it. And maybe it's because our professionalism isn't respected. Maybe they feel they don't need to make that effort because we're all clueless rubes.

 

Can you imagine how our businesses would suffer if we approached our prospects in a similar fashion? Sure you can, because that's what some agents are actually doing, so it should also be easy to imagine how well that's received by home buyers and sellers and the general public. I won't argue that it doesn't work in a fashion - if you artlessly approach 100 women in a bar, you might interest one, but you'll really annoy the other 99.

 

If a company has a product or service they'd like me to buy, they'll need to approach me professionally, by taking the time to at least Google me, check out my website, and try to understand what I'm trying to do. I need to know why their product or service fits my specific needs and why it's worth my time and money. They're going to need to address that, and they need to get right down to it quickly or they'll be listening to a dial tone.

 

But if they do it right, I'll listen and I might buy. I have an IDX website and blog on AR today because 6 years ago, I was treated like a competent professional by a salesperson who didn't try to hustle me, but did the research necessary to relate his product to what my real needs and interests were.

 

And he also got my name right.

Posted by
Mary & Dick

Mary & Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC
2601 S. Lemay Ave. #41
Fort Collins, CO 80525
970-689-4663
www.maryanddick.com

 

Data Source: IRES MLS

Comments(40)

Kathleen Frawley
Keller Williams 916 730-4404 Elk Grove, Wilton, Folsom, Sacramento - Wilton, CA
South County Sacramento, 916 730 4404

That was easy to read and agree with.  As agents our names and numbers are everywhere.  If anyone calls me Cathy, It's OVER.  My name is Kathleen Im Irish not English and if you are to lazy to say the whole thing it is Kate.  (I've said that to a few sales people right before hanging up.)

Apr 08, 2017 04:30 PM
Liz and Bill Spear
Transaction Alliance 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
Transaction Alliance Cincinnati & Dayton suburbs

Dick, In general my phone conversations with those folks is brief.  I'm ranking for the search terms I value, I have enough business to keep my dual career life busy, and my marketing budget is set so I don't need what you're selling.  If you want a sale today your time would be better served moving on to the next person.  Persist and that's when I go to "click" mode.  Bill

Apr 08, 2017 04:56 PM
Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

I teach a continuing ed course on low and no cost marketing and I show how $1700 a year goes very far when you know what you are doing and have a purpose behind your actions.

Apr 08, 2017 05:31 PM
Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, CRS
Fathom Realty Washington LLC - Tacoma, WA
South Puget Sound Washington Agent/Broker!

You have been featured on "I hate these people group!" Dick Greenberg 

Apr 08, 2017 09:20 PM
Dick Greenberg

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Apr 09, 2017 05:29 AM
Hannah Williams

didn't know there was a group ????

Apr 09, 2017 05:12 PM
Endre Barath, Jr.
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices California Properties - Beverly Hills, CA
Realtor - Los Angeles Home Sales 310.486.1002

Dick wow you really covered a lot of ground loved every word of it, must admit today you are the second person who took away my food for thought about the Active Rain Challenge about what peeves me off:)) Back to the drawing board for me:))Endre

Apr 08, 2017 09:41 PM
Kat Palmiotti
eXp Commercial, Referral Divison - Kalispell, MT
Helping your Montana dreams take root

Yes, if we are approached professionally we might listen. Nothing annoys me more than someone trying to get me to stay on the phone so they can try to badger me into purchasing something.

Click.

Apr 09, 2017 05:07 AM
Eva B. Liland Century 21 Doug Anderson
Century 21 Doug Anderson - Lancaster, CA
Glad to be of Service 661-714-1643

So called "Professionals" trying to sell me monthly leads at an outrageous amount are the worst calls ever, lol. When it comes to other products, I always do my own research before deciding.

Apr 09, 2017 05:18 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Real Estate Scriptures...

In the beginning there was Real Estate. Then, there were buyers & sellers so an agent was created to help them. All involved saw it was good & prospered. Later, many others/sources came & tried to tempt & interfere but they remain questionable and come & go but the agents, sellers and buyers live-on.

Apr 09, 2017 06:34 AM
Sam Shueh
(408) 425-1601 - San Jose, CA
mba, cdpe, reopro, pe

Actually, I do not get these calls often. The scammers now use local area code making calls when I pick it up I block the call source.

Apr 09, 2017 08:18 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Hi Dick

Well done! I'm sure everyone here can identify with this issue and it just seems to be getting worse, perhaps as the result of a market that continues to improve with agents who are perceived to have lots of money to spend to be successful. I suppose many approach it as a market that is practically limitless and if you throw enough crap out there someone will listen and buy. Not quite the case in our business!

Jeff

Apr 09, 2017 10:10 AM
Mick Michaud
Distinctly Texas Lifestyle Properties, LLC Office:682/498-3107 - Granbury, TX
Your Texas Lifestyle is Here!

Interesting comment: bottom feeding.  Automated sales techniques don't fly with us because it won't fly with our clients.  If it did, we'd all be doing it. 

Peeve noted and understood.

Apr 09, 2017 10:12 AM
Gary Bellinger
EXIT® Realty Partners - Southbridge, MA
Esq., REALTOR® - Retired

Your comments resonate strongly with one of my personal hot buttons in the real estate business, Dick. I get a high weekly rate of phone calls from people trying to sell me something. I got into real estate a little late in life, so I've been at it just about 13 years. I have a website provided by my franchise office and I set up and manage a personal website. I also have a virtual office provided by my real estate association in Massachusetts. My advertising platform is Facebook. And I don't need anything else. It took me years and some mistakes to realize that. The pitches I get from vendors in nearly all instances is pure salesmanship with little substance to back up the claims. The online testimonials are worthless, in my opinion, if not outright fabrications. I've asked vendors for a list of 10 or 20 clients to speak with and they divert the conversation back to a discussion of features and benefits. They tie me up in front of my computer to demonstrate what a wonder their system is for agents and then get angry or disgusted when I don't roll over and commit. Useless. There's no way I'll commit to a $500/mo system only on the assurances of a salesperson. I've noticed in recent years that vendors have shifted their offerings to less expensive services in the range of $50/mo. Programs like this are less painful to the real estate agent's budget and easier to sell. I tried a few and they turned out to be no more than another clever way to empty my wallet. I got rid of them. I've tested lead buying in the past and let that go as well. As far as I'm concerned, if you have a few good tools and decent training that most offices offer these days, along with a good mentor, you're in business. Don't waste money on connections outside your trusted inner circle.

Apr 09, 2017 12:30 PM
Andrew Mooers | 207.532.6573
MOOERS REALTY - Houlton, ME
Northern Maine Real Estate-Aroostook County Broker

The sales pitch, the need for something good. They say salespeople are easier targets because we are sympathetic to those in sales. I think most real estate professionals are more listen first, matchmaker second and getting away from the sales shell game with smoke and mirrors. The calls with boiler room chatter in the back ground and can you hear me now, my headset messed up and hello. They are creative but click happens.

Apr 09, 2017 03:16 PM
Hannah Williams
HomeStarr Realty - Philadelphia, PA
Expertise NE Philadelphia & Bucks 215-820-3376

oh Dick Greenberg  I hear you . I don't even talk to them anymore . don't have the patience

Apr 09, 2017 05:11 PM
Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

Oh yes, I get annoyed by this, too.  I don't think it even matters what industry you're in.  I basically stopped answering my phone if I don't know the phone #.  I also get multiple emails each week telling me how they can help me get to page 1 in google.  They obviously don't realize I'm already there.

Apr 10, 2017 04:31 AM
Beth Atalay
Cam Realty and Property Management - Clermont, FL
Cam Realty of Clermont FL

Hi Dick, I'm certain most of us will agree with you, even those who do cold calls looking for listing leads. I have no patience to listen to their sales pitch, just hang up.

Apr 10, 2017 10:31 AM
Lou Ludwig
Ludwig & Associates - Boca Raton, FL
Designations Earned CRB, CRS, CIPS, GRI, SRES, TRC

Dick

We are being bombarded with vendors calls everyday . . . . Like Debbie Gartner I screen my calls and don't answer the calls that that I don't recognize. When it's important they leave a message and I can call back accordingly.

Good luck and success.

Lou Ludwig

Apr 11, 2017 06:16 PM
Patricia Feager, MBA, CRS, GRI,MRP
DFW FINE PROPERTIES - Flower Mound, TX
Selling Homes Changing Lives

Amen! You vented well and said it all! I agree with you 100%! You know, if NAR wants to make some money, they should charge those knuckleheads to solicit to licensed agents or get a permit to have access to our emails, phones, TEXT, home address, PO Box, Office Address, and of course Cell Phone! They are time wasters! Disrupters of the Industry! Annoying Pests! If those clowns had to pay to get access to us, I'm sure the problem would stop.  

Apr 12, 2017 03:43 AM
William McClain
London Foster - Miami Beach, FL
Your South Florida Waterfront Specialist!

Sometimes if they catch me at the right time, I will let them pitch- just to see if their delivery is any good- knowing full well that their product is probably terrible... And then 10 seconds later I wish I would have just hung up the phone...

The best is when they tell me that they have leads and are looking for an agent in the Miami Area... Or better yet, when I get calls telling me that my SEO is not up to speed and that i'm not on page 1 of google...

Unfortunately because our business is so tough, it's easy to try and sell people shortcuts... 

My best marketing consists of an optimized lead gen/capture system and old fashioned hard work and follow up. There are not shorcuts- WE EARN EVERY PENNY!

Apr 12, 2017 03:59 PM
Kasey & John Boles
Jon Gosche Real Estate, LLC - BoiseMeridianRealEstate.com - Boise, ID
Boise & Meridian, ID Ada/Canyon/Gem/Boise Counties

Every single word in this post is exactly spot on, and I absolutely love the last sentence.  Well done. -Kasey

May 01, 2017 03:47 PM