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Buyer demands the buyer broker fee as they have no buyer agent?

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Godzyk Real Estate Services NH License 033394

What would you say to a Home Buyer demanding the Listing agent give them the fee their buyer broker would have earned? This young couple is looking to buy on their own. They called on a new Manchester NH Area listing.  

 

Something that seems to becoming more common is buyers who do not want to work with a buyer agent. These buyers said they read they could ask for the buyer agents commission by acting as their own buyer agent. There is no shortage of online advice, and this proves not all of it is good. 

 

 

 

 

Before we dove into commissions, my leading question was had they been pre qualified for a mortgage and with who? They paused and eventually replied that they had pre qualified them selves using an online mortgage calculator. Unfortunately that is not what any listing agent or seller wants to hear. The first step was explaining disclosure. They did not wnt a buyer broker no way, no how. That was fine as this is my listing and i represent the seller. Here in NH I can be a transactional broker for any buyer. Mainly consists of answering questions, showing the home and writing an offer while not representing the buyer.

 

I went through some basic questions to see if these buyers were able to get a mortgage. Basic questions such as how long have you been employed, your income and expenses. From this step we called a local and trusted loan officer who was able to take it from there, pull a soft credit and give us a pre qual based on what they saw. There was though some questions and items the buyers needed though to show some loans paid, bank statements and tax return.

 

WHY did I offer to pre qual them if they want to do everything themselves? BECAUSE I work for the seller. My job is to sell my listing. These buyers are interested, but no way do we show to buyers who are not qualified to buy. It was worth every minute spent making sure they could buy, before showing them and writing an offer.

 

Fast forward a week and the buyer got what the loan officer needed. They again wanted to discuss paying them a commission. First, they are not licensed so they can not be paid a commission. Second, they have not even made an offer never mind have it accepted to be able to demand anything. They got quiet as reality set in. Third, commission is paid by the seller to the listing agent through a contract. The buyer can not dictate what is or is not in that contract. We finally got a clear from the loan officer and were off though to see my new listing.

 

They LOVED it. They wanted to make a verbal offer. I then sat down and explained how the offer process worked. That it needed to be in writing, accompanied by a deposit, that they had the right for an inspection and how the mortgage contingency worked. They understood and asked if i was writing the offer. They huddled with their parents and came back with a price to offer including 3% towards their closing costs. Later in the day i presented the offer to the seller. The seller countered the offer at full price and was ok with the 3% closing cost credit, ok with the 10 day home inspection and 30 day mortgage contingency.

 

Mr. Buyer would not let go of the thought of asking for a commission. He was loud, mean and unrealistic. He would not sign the sellers counter offer. Mrs. Buyer put the hammer down on him. He is not licensed therefore he can not be paid a buyer agent fee (per state law, period and amen). Mr. Buyer walked. Mrs Buyer cried. In the mean time we have quite a few showings on that home. Can you guess what the outcome will be?

 

 

THE SECRET OF SUCCESS and the key to having a successful purchase of sale, can increase simply by choosing a better agent. A buyer should have their own agent, one that will work for them through the entire buying process. A buyer broker gets paid a fee from the listing agent at closing. They can assist the buyer in negotiating what is best for them. This buyer in a haste for savings is costing themselves more money and stress for no reason.

 

The secret is, that All Agents are not created equal and every buyer or seller should take the time to hire the BEST not just the biggest. I leave you with now infamous philosophy, which is simple, to provide more personal and professional service to guide my clients through each step of the buying or selling process.

 

    

                                 

 

 

To CONTACT Scott Godzyk please call 603.661.2121 or EMAIL: Sctprop@aol.com .

 

  

About the Author: Scott Godzyk is the Owner/Broker of the Godzyk Real Estate Services in Manchester NH. Proud to be locally owned and operated with 30 years of experience, Scott is a leading Agent for Listing and Selling Homes in this area.We are Full Time Agents ready to serve all of your Real Estate needs. Servicing Hillsborough, Rockingham, Merrimack and Belknap counties. 

 

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Comments(25)

Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

All of which were explained over and over Nina Hollander , but Mr. Buyer said he knew better and was not hearing anything.

Apr 29, 2017 07:06 AM
Nina Hollander, Broker

Scott Godzyk ~ as they say Scott... you can lead that horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Apr 29, 2017 07:17 AM
William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

The unrepresented buyer is not an agent and legally can not be given the commission

Apr 29, 2017 07:08 AM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

That is for sure Wayne Martin as Mrs Buyer was understanding, then embarrassed for her new husband and then furious as she loved the home 

Apr 29, 2017 07:09 AM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

I enjoyed reading the post. I hope home buyers will read this post and learn from it 

Apr 29, 2017 07:11 AM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

Exactly Dorie Dillard. One of my famous lines when someone asks for half of the commission is me asking for half of their check the next 6 months.  His request was outrageous in the way he perceived how real estate works and what he could and could not demand. The rudeness was just the icing on the cake

Apr 29, 2017 07:11 AM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

I hope so Gita Bantwal , now just to spread the message

Apr 29, 2017 07:12 AM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

Exactly William Feela and he tried, and tried and tried some where not listening to reason or law

Apr 29, 2017 07:12 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

I've come to believe that when a co-buyer/borrower pulls something as outrageous as this one's demand, they are not onboard with buying and borrowing, Scott Godzyk ... they've been brought into the transaction reluctantly.  When a borrower, it often means that they have debt the other partner knows nothing of .. or something similar.  

You put a lot of time and effort into helping them .. on your client's behalf.  They are now better educated and prepared moving forward ... whenever that is and no matter what they decide.  You're a good egg, Scott ... and a smart man ...

Gene

Apr 29, 2017 07:41 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

Every so often we run into a "buyer" in California who expects us to kickback some of the commission to them because some cheap agents will do it. It's called a rebate. And when that's all you've got to offer, well, you know what the buyer gets. Crap. We don't work with them under those terms.

Would do the same as you, Scott, and say: don't let the door hit ya in the butt on your way out.

Who is more likely to sue? A buyer with representation or a buyer without? More trouble than they are worth.

Apr 29, 2017 07:45 AM
Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

Thank you very much, Scott, for sharing this story.

I just read your quote in today's issue of The Washington Post and posted a short blog with the link. 

Apr 29, 2017 08:59 AM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

I did an interview last week Roy Kelley. I had not seen the final article. I need to find a link. Thank you for the comment.

Apr 29, 2017 09:34 AM
Roy Kelley

https://www.washingtonpost.com/syndication/columnists/kenneth-r-harney/?utm_term=.6a9a6a15ecb5 

Apr 29, 2017 09:41 AM
Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
Probate Real Estate Services

Scott, There is a line I draw between ignorance (which I believe can be cured) and stupidity (which I believe cannot be cured).  We can't fix stupid or crazy. 

Apr 29, 2017 09:34 AM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

I feel the same Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Real Estate Agent, Top 1% of Lyon Agents 

Apr 29, 2017 09:34 AM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

Thank you for the comment and kind words Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi. It was the right thing to do and i like to give everyone 1 chance. Mrs buyer has seen the light, Mr has not had a reality check yet, perhaps losing the home his wife loves will do that

Apr 29, 2017 09:40 AM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

That is the truth Kathleen Daniels and The MRS understands, the MR is not on the right planet yet

Apr 29, 2017 09:40 AM
Lawrence "Larry" & Sheila Agranoff. Cell: 631-805-4400
The Top Team @ Charles Rutenberg Realty 255 Executive Dr, Plainview NY 11803 - Plainview, NY
Long Island Condo and Home Specialists

No license...No commission - said and done!

Apr 29, 2017 11:03 AM
Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC - Fort Collins, CO
Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate

Hi Scott - He should get a license if he wants a commission so bad. You certainly went above and beyond for this guy and it's a pity he didn't appreciate it.

Apr 29, 2017 12:16 PM
Chris Ann Cleland
Long and Foster Real Estate - Gainesville, VA
Associate Broker, Bristow, VA

You can be paid something you didn't earn and aren't licensed to receive.  Those buyers are going to end up in hot water.

Meanwhile, your listing is going to go to someone with reason.

Apr 29, 2017 01:52 PM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

Scott- did he want to buy a home or get a commission?!  You handled it well and exhibited patience and professionalism. 

Apr 29, 2017 05:34 PM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

The law in California is that an unlicensed person cannot be compensated with commission.  

Apr 30, 2017 03:44 AM