Somewhere I know I posted a blog article about a home on Washtenaw in Ann Arbor that we almost helped a client buy.

I say almost because when the buyer's home inspector looked at the home he found EIFS that had been incorrectly installed. He couldn't determine if it was a $5,000 problem or a $30,000 problem so he recommended some actuall testing be done. The builder on this brand new $1.1 million home refused to have the issue looked at. He then accused us of being unreasonable and our buyer walked away. (Interesting note to add to this paragraph - this builder originally balked at providing a one year warranty on the home. It makes you wonder if he actually knew about the issue.)

Also interesting to note that the listing agent on this home told our REAL buyer agent that the home was stucco. Could it be that an agent who sells seven or eight million a year actually doesn't know the difference between synthetic stucco and real stucco?

For background - EIFS is Exterior Insulation Finishing System or synthetic stucco. It works fine if it is installed correctly on masonary walls. You see it every day when you drive by Taco Bells and McDonalds. But if it is installed incorrectly and on wood stud walls, watch out! Tens of millions of dollars in damage to residential homes across the country. Do a Google search on EIFS problems and you will see a sample of articles on the subject.

The problem is significant enough that we've heard some relocation companies will not provide employee buy-outs if the employee's home uses EIFS.

 

Now here is the new item:

I hear that recently a luxury home in Ann Arbor was sold and the inspection company did not inform the buyer of the EIFS on the walls and did not inform the buyer that EIFS was often a problem. The buyer closed and later sued the inspection company to the tune of about $40,000 for negligence. And fortunately the buyer won!

Again, this whole problem would probably have never happened if the buyer had used our office, because as a buyer agent we discuss these issues and inspectors. I'm sure the buyer used an office that only offered designated buyer agency. And I would also bet that the agent lied about the level of service and called it buyer agency.

 

 

5 Comments on Another Ann Arbor Home Inspection Story

JUN
09
2008

Jon,

Today there are a number of hybred external wall systems that combine traditional stucco and Dryvit. Inspectors like myself will talk to the builder (if its new construction) to clarify the materials and installation. Rarely have I seen EIFS installed correctly on residential homes but on commercial I see it done correctly 100% of the time. The difference being that on commerical the architect oversees the contruction and ensure they are done to specifications. We have a good page on our website  that discusses EIFS.

Jon I don't know you or the experience in your office but if the inspector couldn't determine the kind of stucco that was on the home, how would you have known to bring it up as a potential issue? Most realtors I know are more focused on removing road blocks to the sale rather than creating new ones.

 

//Rick


Rick Bunzel, CRI
Pacific Crest Inspections


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10:50am • #1

Rick,

Good question.

In our area the only "stucco" we see on newer homes is synthetic. If a home is built prior to about 1950 we often see real stucco.

And from the inspector I spoke to, the age of the home and the results of the case it was probably fairly clear to an educated eye what the home was made of.

11:11am • #2
OCT
23
2008

Jon, I just came across your blog & thought I would chime in.

 

By the way for those who do not know Jon, he & his company are one of the few who actually care about their clients & not just the commission. They even have an award they give out annually to the agent who saves their client the most $$$ in buying a home called the "Fighting Fiduciary".(This is not a paid commercial)

 

EIFS in my opinion is a very bad choice of siding material even when installed correctly. The main problem with it is that WHEN water gets behind it (it always does at some point) it cannot breathe & the water is stuck behind the walls & then eventually molds. In the 12+ years I have been inspecting I have never seen it installed correctly by the way. When I have a home I am inspecting that has EIFS I document the defects or installation errors but make sure the clients understand that there are a lot of important details that cannot be seen during a non-invasive inspection. I alway tell clients to have the manufacturer verify the installation if possible before closing. FYI: Something I learned (never ending learning in the this business) a few months ago after inspecting the MI Univ football coaches house, is that to have the EIFS manufacturer verify the installation the builder/owner has to pay an extra fee when they purchase the product & then they have to have inspections done by the manufacturer at every step of the installation.

 

As Jon also alluded to most relo companies will not accept a home that has EIFS on it period! So a person could be limited in who they sell to in the future.

 

This is why I say EIFS is a bad choice in sidings; you end up paying a lot of money for something that is hard to install correctly, doomed to failure or will prevent a sale. For less money you could install something much nicer & with less problems.

mgh

www.inspectormike.com

Mike Hoberecht (inspectormike)
7:56am • #3
DEC
27

Whenever I inspect a home w/ EIFS, I explain to my client about the very high failure rate of the product. In fact, if the client tells me that the home they have in consideration has "stucco" exterior, I strongly encourage them to do more research. Go online and talk w/ the seller and find out as much info as possible. I also encourage my clients to not proceed forward without an invasive leakage inspection. They have always shown serious problems on EIFS cladding over wood structure. I have not, personally, run across a home w/ a complete backup water barrier, but i have heard that Michael Jordan paid the big bucks to have that installed when he built his, at that time, new home. It takes that kind of income to afford it.

As for traditional stucco in our area (Ann Arbor, Mi.), Since most of it is pre WWII, It is usually in poor shape or has been inadequately repaired.

Jon, it is refreshing to find a real estate agent who looks out for his client. A rare commodity.

Bobby Frank

A Buyer's Ally - RJ Frank Home Inspections

734-769-0698

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8:40am • #4

Mike & Bobby,

Thanks for your notes.

I happened to ask another inspector who has been doing inspections for 20+ years in the Ann Arbor area and after thinking about it he also said he can't ever remember a residentia home with EIFS where it was installed correctly.

9:05am • #5

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