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When Concrete Stairs Move, The Foundation Can't Be Far Behind

Reblogger Nathan Gesner
Real Estate Broker/Owner with American West Realty and Management 12599

Jay Markanich provides another tool to identify foundation problems.

Original content by Jay Markanich 3380-000723

Heavy things must be founded well.  When they are not, over time, they will settle.

Stoops and stairs are mostly made of strong, heavy materials, like concrete.  And when concrete stairs move, the foundation can't be far behind.

Generally you want stairs such as this to angle slightly away from the house.

That is so water is encouraged away and does not get behind, against the foundation.

These stairs have moved more than it appears from this photo.

They have actually moved quite a bit.

These stairs have moved about 1" away from the house.

But think of the shape of the concrete.  The straight backside against the house is about 3.5' from top to bottom.

As the front of the stairs settles into the soil, and the top of that backside pulls away from the house, the bottom of that same backside is pushing AGAINST the house.

That concrete staircase is very heavy.

It is hard and strong.  It is harder than the concrete block foundation wall, and can push very hard as it settles.

 

The result is a horizontal crack, outlined in red.  This crack appears just where the bottom of that staircase would hit the house.

This crack begins under the one side of the porch and continues behind the wall on the right.

Foundations of concrete block will be subject to outside forces, including water/soil pressure, tree roots or other weight.  In this case the outside pressure is created by a heavy, concrete monolith - a staircase which was not founded well.  It has settled over time, putting pressure in the opposite direction of the settlement.

Try it yourself!  Stand straight, bend at the waist as you put your head forward.  Which direction does your backside go?  It has to to maintain balance.  This staircase stays balanced too. 

Hard to see in the photo, but this crack is 1/4" wide.

That is a lot of foundation movement.

My recommendation:  staircases such as these are subject to the forces of gravity.  They will move if given opportunity.  In this case we could see what was happening to the foundation wall.  Had we not been able to see it I would have suspected this movement you see here.  Look around for yourself if you suspect this too.  You might just see what we saw!

 

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

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Nathan Gesner, American West Realty

Kristin Johnston - REALTOR®
RE/MAX Platinum - Waukesha, WI
Giving Back With Each Home Sold!

Great reblog...I did not see the original so I appreciate the reshare!

Sep 08, 2017 06:47 AM
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Thanks for the re-blog, Nathan.  Not a good sign for the seller and the buyer, but a good catch from Jay.

Sep 08, 2017 09:20 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thank you Nathan, you found an oldie but a goodie!  It's good to get information out and I appreciate your reblog!

Sep 08, 2017 03:11 PM
Nathan Gesner
American West Realty and Management - Cody, WY
Broker / Property Manager

It was a goodie, Jay. I always enjoy reading your blog because it's very informative. I'm working with a home that has a buckled floor in the basement and came across this article during my research. 

Sep 08, 2017 04:18 PM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

Great reblog Nathan Gesner , i see alot of concrete stairs moving, many placed on the ground where frost can give them the heave ho

Sep 08, 2017 04:22 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

Moving concrete is never a good thing...and something with the shift in temperatures in our area we see a great deal.

Sep 09, 2017 06:53 AM
Nathan Gesner
American West Realty and Management - Cody, WY
Broker / Property Manager

Thanks for commenting, Scott. I hope you have a great weekend!

Sep 09, 2017 07:15 AM
Nathan Gesner
American West Realty and Management - Cody, WY
Broker / Property Manager

We have the same issue due to hot summers and cold winters, Sally K. & David L. Hanson . We try to seal out moisture and keep an eye on it.

Sep 09, 2017 07:16 AM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

Very catchy title and have to agree that more problems will be following.

Sep 09, 2017 08:26 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
Savvy + Company (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
The RIGHT CHARLOTTE REALTOR!

Great information from Jay, Nathan! And, I agree with Debbie - catchy title and it definitely looks like the foundation isn't far behind these stairs to make a move!

Sep 09, 2017 09:11 PM
Joan Cox
House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate - Selling One Home at a Time

Nathan, great post to share with us, and we need to watch for this type of movement! 

Sep 10, 2017 05:46 AM
Grant Schneider
Performance Development Strategies - Armonk, NY
Your Coach Helping You Create Successful Outcomes

Good morning Nathan - that was a very good re post.  I would always see that as a clue to big problems.

Sep 11, 2017 08:15 AM
Will Hamm
Hamm Homes - Aurora, CO
"Where There's a Will, There's a Way!"

Hello Nathan,  great reblog and one that we all need to know about in our business.  

Sep 11, 2017 10:18 AM
Nathan Gesner
American West Realty and Management - Cody, WY
Broker / Property Manager

Thanks for taking the time to comment, Grant. Have a great day!

Sep 11, 2017 05:33 PM
Nathan Gesner
American West Realty and Management - Cody, WY
Broker / Property Manager

Glad you enjoyed it, Will! It's important to know the hidden dangers.

Sep 11, 2017 05:33 PM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

Your post helps people spot the signs of this problem, Jay Markanich  ... and also provides a clear-cut path to resolving it ... thank you ...

Gene

Sep 13, 2017 09:44 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Gene.  That's the idea.  I try to be instructive with my posts.  I'm glad you found it and enjoyed it!

Sep 13, 2017 11:10 AM
MichelleCherie Carr Crowe .Just Call. 408-252-8900
Get Results Team...Just Call (408) 252-8900! . DRE #00901962 . Licensed to Sell since 1985 . Altas Realty - San Jose, CA
Family Helping Families Buy & Sell Homes 40+ Years

This is a useful explanation of what is happening with this house.

Sep 13, 2017 12:04 PM
Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

This is an excellent selection for a reblog. Thanks for sharing.

Sep 14, 2017 05:47 AM