Patriotic BS?

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408

We ran from Irma to New Orlean, and I donot regret a single minute. We needed a break. Not such as Irma, but we needed a break.

Yesterday we visited National World War II Museum in New Orleans. “Ranked by TripAdvisor as the #1 Attraction in New Orleans, named by USA Today as the #1 Best Place to Learn U.S. Military History, and designated by Congress as America’s official museum about World War II, The National WWII Museum features a rich collection of artifacts that bring history to life.”

It is a very impressive museum. Large screens telling a story of some event allow you to stop and watch and learn, and then another one, and another one, and another one. You really need time to see the most, probably a day. We came for 3 hours, and had to skip some of it.

We sat for the movie, and a 48-minute movie was excellent. And the last point of our visit was the interactive USS Tang Submarine Experience. Olga and I had what appeared to resemble dog tags of real submariners, unfortunately they were not among those lucky 9, who survived this attack on a convoy.

I am from the Soviet Union. It is hard to find a family, who had not lost their loved ones in this war, whether they were killed on the battlefield, or civilians died in the hands of Gestapo and SS. My grandparents, who refused to evacuate with children, lived in a small Ukrainian town of Malin were burned alive with other Jews in my grandparents’ house in July 1941.

My generaion was born after the war. Baby Boomers generation, we played war, watched movies about the war, read books about the war... It was in our blood, in our heart even though the war itself was gone… It never was our past.

It was shocking to be in the National World War II museum and not see practically anything about the role of the Soviet Union in this war. 23 million of Soviet citizen died in this war, the biggest number of all nations-participants in the war. And in the museum it is as if there were no Soviet Union, no Red Army.

Actually, you would not see other allies either.

It is really shocking. No, it is not like it is only about Americans in the war. It is not Americans in the World War II. But it keeps visitors under the impression that what they see is actually about World War II, the European Theater and Pacific Theater... European Theater was without the Soviets? Really?

Did we forget that from June 22, 1941, when Hitler cross Russian border, Soviet Union was an ally? That since June 22, 1941 until the D-Day on June 6, 1944 there were 3 years of war.Of everyday fighting the German Army...

There was a battle of Moscow in 1941, where German Army was stopped first time in the WWII.

Battle of Stalingrad in 1942, one of the most ferocious battles in the war history, ending in Fieldmarshall Paulus’ surrender. About 2 million people died in Stalingrad… Russians lost nearly half a million soldiers at Stalingrad, about as many as US lost in all their WWII battles both in the European and the Pacific Theater...But there is no Stalingrad...

Then there was Kursk, the biggest tank battle in war history.

Then a successful wide-scale offensive in the Ukraine and defeat of Group of Armies (Fieldmarshall Manshtein), and Group of Armies “A” (Fieldmarshall-General Kleist).

And quite a few of smaller offensive operations. Germans were fully engaged in the war against the Soviet Union for 3 long years before the D-Day. Of course, opening of second front in June 1944 put Fermany in bad situation, but without 3 years of Soviet Union fighting Germany on Eastern Front, one can hardly expect much success of the allies in Europe.

I believe there is no question that even without the D-Day, or opening of Second Front, as they called it in Soviet Union, the Red Army would have defeated Germany and won the war.

And none of it is in the museum.

So, no wonder if you ask a young person who won the World War II they proudly say “US”.

Presenting WWII without allies, including Russians is simply unethical.Un-historical.

It is a shame.

Why are we doing it?
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Endre Barath, Jr.
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Jon, let's not forget the US has learned rewriting history from the Soviet Union... erasing Russian internal history ..... so now you get to see it here as well.... soon you will not know that there was a Confederacy just as an example....Endre

Sep 13, 2017 09:52 PM #1
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Many of these museums are under utilized. So much history and information for people to grasp.

Sep 14, 2017 05:23 AM #2
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Nathan Gesner
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This is an American War Museum, therefore it is natural for them to tell the history of the American military from an American perspective. I'm sure the Russian museums heavily lean towards Russian victories while down-playing ally involvement.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was an agreement between Stalin and Hitler to split up portions of Eastern Europe. Both countries were aggressively attempting to take over other territories. This pact lasted for two years and paved the way for Germany's aggression. During this time, Russia wasn't acting much better than Germany. Do the Russian museums talk about this? 

What about the millions killed by Stalin before WWII? During WWII? Do the Russian museums talk about Stalin starving 7,000,000 people? Do they discuss the rapes of an estimated 1 - 2 million women and girls in Germany? There are many historical books equating Russian actions to those of Germany. Just because Russia "won" doesn't make them any more innocent or heroic.

You are correct that an incomplete story is unfair. If this museum were to address the Russian involvement, I would expect them to include the bad with the good, which - in my mind - far outweighs the good.

Sep 14, 2017 05:31 AM #3
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Nathan Gesner - I am not attempting to embellish Soviet Union. I know about these things. But it is not a question whether Russian Museums heavily leaning to describe their side. They are talking about two different wars.

The WWII started September 1, 1938.

The war that Russians talk about is a Great Patriotic War, and it started June 22, 1941.

I would have no problem if the museum not only arrange the exposition this way, as you say: as an American War Museum, but it is called National World War II museum. That's the sign, this is how it is presented.

As for the atrocities, I know. Probably more than I should as this knowledge is destructive. But the West was actively trying to make them the allies. How many lives did it save to allies?

I bet you know about lend lease, and that America was sending canned food - popular "Tushonka" (Canned pork), planes in the thousands, other stuff, but saved on soldiers' lives for 3 years.

For that they closed their eyes on all the atrocities.

September 1, 1938 Soviet Uniuon was with Germany. They both thought in Poland, and had a victory parade in Brest on September 17, 1941 celebrating victory over Poland. Actually, it was Hitler's biggest mistake to attack Russia, as if they stayed allies, it is difficult even to predict what would have happened with the world. And what would have happened to United States.

We should not forget, that after Hitler was not able to execute the blitzkrieg, and was stopped before Moscow, Japanese decided not to attack Russia, and Turkey decided not to get into the fight, and Bolgaria, Romania, Slovakia were seeking secret deals with the Soviet Union.

The West forced Soviet Union to pay dearly for being Hitler's ally. With millions and millions of lives. Thus saving millions and millions of American lives.

Morally the West/US is tinted.

Was the deal with the devil nutually beneficial?

Probably yes.

 

Sep 14, 2017 09:18 AM #4
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Endre Barath, Jr. - Funny.

I do not think it was the intention to deceive, it is simply not thought through well enough.

Call it America in the WWII, and there wold have been no confusion. However, even then it would be prudent to tell people, that it was only part of the war

Sep 14, 2017 09:38 AM #5
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Nathan Gesner
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The term "national" refers to the nation of America. If it were a museum covering the involvement of every nation, it would be called the "international World War II Museum." Just a thought.

I think people spend too much time playing armchair quarterback. America made some difficult decisions and allied with some not-so-good people but we did it for the right reasons. Untold millions of lives were saved and our world was a better place because of our involvement. The lesson for me is that there is evil in the world and good people have a responsibility to stand up and defend the innocent.

Sep 14, 2017 09:48 AM #6
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Nathan Gesner - Agree to that. Thank you

Sep 14, 2017 10:00 AM #7
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I know the history of WW II being a fan of hisotry as a youth. The carage of Stalingrad was enormous and the contributions to the end of Hitler has a lot to do with the Eastern Front.

Sep 14, 2017 10:22 AM #8
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Thanks for giving your impressions, history is a great educator, there is much to learn. America is not currently doing a very good job of education, it hasn't in quite some time. I'm halfway through my 60's and am occasionally amazed by all that I was not taught or have forgotten. I really am trying to read more, it makes me a better conversationalist.  

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Joe Pryor - I understand that the purpose of the museum is to show America in the war, but as long as there were allies, omitting mentioning them distorts the picture.

It is even funny. US entered the war after Pearl Harbor. The museum shows Pacific war theater, and it is very interesting, and then there is European theater, and it starts from the D-Day, and it looks as if for 3 years there was nothing happening, while the European theater started way before US entered the war. As if Hitler was waiting for Americans to disembark...

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Mike Warfel - good for you, Mike

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