Today I feel really bad.  I have been engaged by a consumer and what someone else sold them is, at best, a big loss.  They were SOLD and didn't remember Mrs. Jones' simple math rules.

Gross Collections - (P + I + T + I + Other) x 12 - Vacancy % = ROI

This is oversimplified, but can put a pucker on ya if you are not careful.

In a nutshell, if you can't make $100 / month per single family home then it is not worth the investment.  This is a minimum and most people expect more.  This might be different in other areas, but for the most part this is reasonable in Columbus.

Mr. & Mrs. Texas investor (who have not ever seen their investment) just sent me the following email about my assessment of their portential sale prices:

Rich, Something just isn't making sense here.  These properties were appraised by an independent appraiser (not a bank appraiser for mortgages) and we have 20% equity in each property.  your figures are several thousand dollars less then even our payoffs.  We cannot take that kind of loss.

We are speechless.

Some buyers agent, and I know who she is, sold these folks a bill of goods.

Tomorrow I will try to figure out a way to help them, but I can't change math.

I am rambling.  Bye.

 

4 Comments on I Flunked Math, But…PLEASE BROTHER PLEASE

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2007
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Wish this were an anomaly-don't you?  Think the agent perhaps recommended the 'independent' appraiser?
8:22pm • #1
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I just hope they don't totally freak when we have the "appraisal don't mean squat in the real world" conversation.

That was an unfair shot that the appraisers and I am sorry.  I just see so much crap.

R

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I just hope we can figure out some way to help these people. This is one of those situations where I really feel bad for them. Best case scenario, they were dealing with someone who didn't know what they were doing. Worst case, they were scammed. This is one of the tough ones, with no easy solution.
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2007
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Hi Rich,

Some of the best real estate investors I know can't do the math, all they know is there's money left over each month and their checks don't bounce.

I'm a big advocate of single family investments, as you know I wrote three books on the subject, but taking an income approach to value, is no way to appraise single family homes regardless of intended use. Explain to your people that most appraisers are independent, but they should have used one recommended by a lender willing to accept his findings.

Bill

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