Can We Use a Burned House As a Comp?

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Safe Haven Realty CalBRE# 01433049

Can We Use a Burned House As a Comp?

Unless you're living under a rock, you have probably seen images of the firestorms in Northern California. Entire neighborhoods have been wiped out, along with retail businesses, hotels, restaurants, wineries and schools.

All of this started late Sunday evening, October 8th. Tens of thousands were evacuated in the middle of the night, fleeing to a friends house or a parking lot in the safe distance. Days went by as we sat glued to the TV and Facebook, while officials pleaded with us to stay home unless we were emergency responders.

And then this happened. KRON4 News was on the air, armed with a current satellite image of Santa Rosa which we now refer to as the "burn map". KRON4 was asking the public to call in with an address of a home they were concerned about. It was absolutely chilling to watch the news anchors scroll through neighborhood after neighborhood to find an address the caller was asking about.

Please take a look ... you only have to watch for a couple of minutes to understand the horror of what Santa Rosa residents were viewing. After days of watching news footage of unrecognizable neighborhoods, we could now see an overhead image of destroyed homes while knowing the street names these homes were on.

 

* Note, the red areas are vegetation. The grey rectangles are destroyed homes. Every once in awhile you can spot an intact rooftop.

 

 

So here is where my question comes in. One of my agents called me this morning, asking if she could use a burned house as a comp in a CMA. At least one comp no longer exists and one we are not sure of yet, as evacuation orders have still not lifted in some areas as of this writing.

There is some irony to this question. The client in question is in the process of building a spec house. So the CMA may include homes that no longer exist to place value on a home that doesn't yet exist.

 

 

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Cynthia Larsen (707-332-2560) is an independent broker and owner of Safe Haven Realty in Sonoma County, California. Visit www.safehavenrealty.com to view available homes for sale and to learn more about this beautiful wine country destination.

 

 

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Cynthia Larsen
Safe Haven Realty - Cotati, CA
Independent Broker Serving Sonoma County, CA

Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Real Estate Agent, Top 1% of Lyon Agents It's nuts here. The ONE good thing that happened is that our Sheriff retired 2 months ago. The acting Sheriff has been a godsend. If not for him, this disaster would have been much, much worse. I feel for those in Puerto Rico, I now understand the difference of having a disaster with leadership and one without.

Oct 21, 2017 11:23 AM #36
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Delana Harbison
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Thankfully where I live we just had a lot of debris from trees. I am in Jacksonville, Florida, but some off my friends had flooding in their homes. They are still cleaning up and repairing their homes from the flood. Very sad. I am thankful that no one was hurt that I personally know. Things can be replaced but not lives.

Oct 21, 2017 12:52 PM #37
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Lise Howe
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Cynthia Larsen - I agree with you - and the loss of community for the "survivors" will be horrific

Oct 21, 2017 04:00 PM #38
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Fred Griffin
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     The appraisers, and the lenders, are in a real quagmire on this.  Not just for a burned house as a comp, but when an entire neighborhood is destroyed, how do you determine value?

    BTW, slightly off topic, but please see my question on the ActiveRain Q&A board about IRC Section 1033 Tax Deferment for Involuntary Conversion, including real estate destroyed by Fire (not the same as a Section 1031 exchange).  You may be able to pass that knowledge on to people who are going to just "cash out" of their destroyed property, and incur a taxable capital gain in the process.

  

Oct 21, 2017 05:06 PM #39
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Corey Martin
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There are so many catastrophes striking so many places. I pray for everyone having to go through this kind of horror. Thanks for sharing. 

Oct 21, 2017 06:57 PM #40
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Mary Jo Quay
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It is a grim reminder that mother nature is bigger than all of us. Having entire communities scorched to the ground is apocalyptic. What do people do if they are homeless?  How does it affect the economy, and how do they go to work or school every morning?

Oct 22, 2017 08:10 AM #41
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Anthony Kirlew
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For those of us who don't live in areas where fires such as this take place, it's not something most of us have considered. I know I haven't.

I would say in a case where there are no other comps, it would be an extreme to use a burned house as a comp for the obvious reason that it can't be viewed. Perhaps the industry standard will allow for the distance from the subject property to be expanded to a closest similar property in a reasonably similar valued community.

Prayers to all of those impacted by this devistating fire.

Oct 22, 2017 08:49 AM #42
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Cynthia Larsen
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LOL, I just figured out how to respond to individual comments. It's been so long since I have been active on AR and so much has changed. I feel like a comment wh*re right now!

Oct 22, 2017 09:14 AM #43
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Cynthia- Even with hurricanes here, at least for most of us, our homes are still here after it passes- maybe without a roof or water inside but nothing like the devastation that CA is seeing with the fires. 

The question you posed is such an interesting one and I hope that down the road, you'll post about how this question was answered!!!

Oct 22, 2017 10:05 AM #44
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Sharon Tara
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So sad that this is even a question. Congrats on the feature!

Oct 22, 2017 11:13 AM #45
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Jane Peters
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Nice to see you back, Cynthia, albeit writing about the tragedy that happened up North. I sure hope these people are put right soon and the rebuilding begins. 

Oct 22, 2017 01:27 PM #46
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Brenda Whitman, Live in Laramie Real Estate
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What an interesting question to ponder.... the obvious answer seems to be "NO" yet the question is not as simple as it seems.  Thanks Fred Griffin for the additional insight...

Oct 22, 2017 05:23 PM #47
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Dave Halpern
Keller Williams Realty Louisville East (502) 664-7827 - Louisville, KY
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If you are appraising a burned house, then other burned houses would seem to be good comps.

Oct 23, 2017 04:27 AM #48
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Georgie Hunter R(S) 58089
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I hope they are going to build it better than the ones that burnt down. Like maybe a concrete and brick house.

Oct 24, 2017 05:57 PM #49
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Anthony Vosilla
Tony's Appraisal Services - Centereach, NY

As an appraiser I have used sales that have been torn down to make way for new construction.  Of course this is in a neighborhood that was not affected by TOTAL destruction.  I would think that you can, but I would use it to help support value, not as a hat hanger...

I will think about the question further as I hate knee jerk answers/reactions...

You do ask a damn good question...

Oct 24, 2017 06:12 PM #50
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Gary L. Waters, Broker Owner, Waters Realty of Brevard, LLC
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That would be like me substituting my age 30 weight and health data for my 62 physical exam....

Oct 25, 2017 05:58 AM #51
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Marte Cliff
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Good question - and I sure don't know the answer. Another question will be "How long will it take to rebuild these homes?" From what I'm seeing on the news, the shortage of construction workers is a real concern right now. Skilled labor was in short supply even before all of this year's destructive events.

Having once lost my home to fire, I can definitely feel for all the victims. It takes years before you stop reaching for a favorite sweater or that pan that's just the right size for something you want to cook.

Oct 25, 2017 10:21 AM #52
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M.C. Dwyer
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Cynthia, I used to live in Sonoma County and have been horrified by what's happened.   I can't imagine the lingering PTSD that will affect thousands of people, let alone the sudden homelessness and financial distress in an area already plagued by high rents, lack of housing and low inventory like where I practise.    You've post a great question; please let us know how the problem is addressed.

Oct 25, 2017 11:33 AM #53
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Adam Feinberg
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As agents- we see the effect first hand on how influence a "thing" such as a home impacts our clients. Having shelter is one thing- but the emotions of losing a home are huge. I am sure most of us have had clients break down crying over the purchase or sale of a home. I hope the residents of these neighborhoods are able to rebuild their homes and the lives they had previously.

Oct 25, 2017 02:44 PM #54
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Janice Hope Zaltman LEED AP
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Hi Cynthia Larsen  You pose an interesting question. Going to check here as a similar question could exist with hurricane demolished homes. Sending blessings your way.

Nov 10, 2017 05:17 AM #55
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