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A new friend writes:  "How many people walked away from the homes in which they only had $500, $2,500, or $5,000 as down payment? But that's all they lost. And how many people lost their $40K, $60K and $100K?"

My reply deserves it's own post.

It's not the amount of the dollars that are invested that is important or the percentage of Loan to Value, LTV, Leverage. The concept is the same regardless! They, the home buyer, solicited and accepted a loan, they agreed to make 360 payments over the next thirty years. They anticipated both appreciation and amortization to accrue to them! They had no intention of sharing any of the benefits of ownership with anyone least of all the bank.

Some deadbeat, who has lost his house encounters a TV "news" man, does he say, "I quite my job, I stopped making the payments, I lost my house?" No he says the bank cheated me! There is nothing new here, Hitter did it, Herod did it, Stalin did it, and on and on...

We have allowed it to become Politically Correct to blame someone else for our problems. It has become almost a badge of honor to claim you've been wronged by a bank.

Just because your mortgage exceeds the value of your property is no reason to walk away! There isn't even a real problem unless you try to sell. The payments don't change because the property loss value. The house doesn't suddenly get smaller. Your lifestyle doesn't change. The urge to walk away comes from out side sources telling you how bad you are being abused! But, where is the abuse, nothing regarding your relationship with the bank has changed, except for your willingness to honor your obligations!

The strange thing is that you'll end up paying more to rent a lesser home, in which you'll have no equity either, and no chance at appreciation or security. Even if you don't believe we'll ever see appreciation again amortization alone will pay off the property!

What about security? Your payment will never go up beyond what you agreed to if you're an owner, even one with no or negative equity. As a tenant your payment, your very right to stay in the property has to be renegotiate normally every year. What if you really do have economic troubles? Tenants, depending on where you live can be evicted in as little as five (5) days after your payment was due. Home owners normally have five months to a year or more before facing final foreclosure.

Maintaining your obligations is common sense in addition to maintaing your personal honor.

Bill

William J Archambault Jr

The Real Estate investment Institute

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William J Archambault Jr

The Real Estate Investment Institute

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Comments(10)

Mary Warren
Las Vegas, NV

great post Bill...it's so true, everyone wants to blame everyone else....its never 'my' fault.  Thanks for calling me the other day...it was awesome talking with you.

May 16, 2008 04:31 PM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Thanks Mary!

I'm glad I made that call.

Bill

May 16, 2008 04:39 PM
Rich Kruse
Gryphon USA, Ltd. - Columbus, OH

In my last life, one with a boss, I learned a very important lesson.  All partners must have skin in the game.  No exceptions. 

I have no idea what my house is worth today.  The cash I put into the finshed basement is currently lost.  Another 10% and I loose my downpayment.  I might be more than half way there.  I have tens of thousands invested and no intention of moving. 

Why do I still pay?  One, it is a point of honor.  Two, I have skin in the game.

May 20, 2008 01:07 PM
Mike Saunders
Retired - Athens, GA

I am proud to say that I have never not paid off any obligation that I sign up for, regardless of how strapped I was (and sometimes when you are $50,000 in debt with no job, that's a little tough). How did I do it, by prioritizing what was important, and that was making sure my family had a place to live, food to eat, clothes to wear, a way to get to and from school/work, etc. But my parents instilled responsiblity and accountability into me. I did the same with my kids, my son is doing that with my grandson (ok, he's only 2-1/2).

We had lawyers encouraging bankruptcy and I personally knew many people who would get as many credit cards, max them out and then declare bankruptcy. Some with more than $100,000 in credit card debt.

Who paid (pays), we do, in increased fees, increased taxes to bail people out of their foolish decisions. We (the collective we) have said, hey, it's ok to do something stupid. We've got your back.

Great post Bill!

 

May 20, 2008 01:37 PM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Rich,

"Skin" has nothing to do with it! All most everyone makes their payments, regardless of equity.

As to you,

you claim to be evil,

you deal with some of the earth's scum,

you write like everyone is that way,

you'd have us believe it's all about "skin"

We've been going back and forth for over 18 months, we've talked several times, not enough though. I believe you're a fraud! I'd trust my skin and every thing else to you. So go rant on Craig's list and get it out of your system, we all need to from time to time.

I'll trust your honor.

Give the Ladies my best.

Bill

PS: Three it also makes common sence!

May 20, 2008 03:05 PM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Mike,

Thank You!

Bill

May 20, 2008 03:07 PM
Kevin Robinson
Twin Falls, ID
Fractional Developer

We will never stop paying for the cultural changes made in the 1960's. This is one of them. It is everyone elses fault.

May 21, 2008 03:24 AM
John Hersey
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Homesale Realty - York, PA
e-PRO Realtor

Great Post Bill!,

I can't agree more.  Where is the personal responsibility?  My wife and I have been in some rough situations in the past.  We could have probably gotten out the "easy" way but no way.  I would not even consider it!

Rich,

How about, Three, over the course of time real estate appreciates much better than most investments out there.

May 21, 2008 06:11 AM
Bob Force (REALTOR®)
Weichert Realtors - Aspen Hill - Mount Airy, MD
The FORCE in Maryland Real Estate

Bill:

I agree, it seems that it is always someone else problem; not mine.  They are out to get me attitude.  What happened to I agreed to pay. 

If the value goes up, would they be willing to share in the gain.  I beleive not.

May 21, 2008 12:57 PM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Thanks, Bob!

Bill

May 21, 2008 02:10 PM