Parents Magazine says its all our fault and NAR agrees?!

WHAT?

You heard right - Parents says the housing crisis is to blame on real estate agents!parents cover

Quotes from the Parent's Magazine Article:

"In recent years, many home buyers have gotten in over their head because they let a real-estate agent tell them how much house they could afford.  In some cases - unscrupulous professionals urged buyers to take on loans they couldn't handle."

When did I, as a Realtor, become responsible for qualifying people for a mortgage, verifying their income, assets, liabilities, credit score, and ability to repay, and selecting their loan program?  I thought that was why I got them to talk to banks and Lenders, who you know, actually DO tell them how much house they can afford?

I don't see where a real estate agent caused these folks to get in over their head!  They come to us, we get a pre-approval, they say they want to look in X to X price range and as long as the pre-approval supports that and they say they like that payment, we find them a home.  We do not talk buyers into more than they could afford, we sell them a home they qualified for with a mortgage professional!

Even worse, to me.  The sentence directly following this is a lovely quote from one of our NAR leaders:

"Now more than ever, you need to figure it all out yourself." says PeggyAnn McConnochie, a vice-president of the National Association of Realtors.

So here we have an article saying we're to blame for the mortgage crisis, and it appears, by virtue of the fact that she gave a statement not denying this, that our own NAR thinks it's Realtors fault? And tells them not to trust us, but to figure it out on their own?  Thanks NAR!

This isn't the only place the article slams us.... Further on:

"Because shopping for a house is a tough job, you need to enlist the help of a real-estate agent."  (well that's not bad, right? Just wait a few more sentences in...)

"Whomever you choose, understand that an agent's interest is in closing a deal and collecting her commission - not necessarily getting you the best price on a house."

Could Parents say it any more clearly 

 The agent, though you need her, is going to screw you royally.

Last time I checked, our code of ethics, and our Buyer Agency agreements clearly state that we are working for the best interest of our buyers.  If I don't get my buyer's the best price that I can for them on a home, I'm not doing my job correctly! 

The article starts out with the typical rhetoric that the housing market sucks and the world is ending.  I started reading it with just the normal 'yes, but it's all local' mindset.  But then I got a sucker punch with the fact that blame got laid squarely on the shoulders of real-estate agents!!  Then a round-house when a quote from dear NAR shows up to support that!  I barely felt the knee-kick later when they decided we were all commission eating scum and would screw our clients over a few bucks!

I would encourage anyone who reads the article (I am trying desperately to find a copy of it online) in the June Parents magazine, page 91, by Julia Lawlor, to please send in a rebuttal to mailbag@parentsmag.com and by golly, send one to NAR too.  I'd love an explanation of their statement in this article.  Infocentral@realtors.org

Please, if anyone can find a link to the article, I'd be most grateful.  Otherwise - run out and borrow/buy the June Parents, folks!  On 2nd thought - don't buy it, I don't want them rewarded for this shameful behaviour!  Go to the bookstore and browse it! Although they might not have the June's out yet....

The article itself

 

78 Comments on Parents Magazine says its all our fault and NAR agrees?!

Well, really.

Will find a copy of the magazine tomorrow.

Funny, but I completed an online survey from NAR on their performance today.  Too bad I didn't know this before the survey.

What nerve....NAR should hear from all of us.  Without us, they cease to exist, right?

 

05/20/2008 10:32 PM by Linda Lipscomb RE/MAX Lexington Henderson County TN


Hmmm...I think the buyers need to take most of the responsibility on this...mortage professionals and agents have some too...but buyers make the decision.

05/20/2008 10:36 PM by Chuck Carstensen (Re/max Associates Plus inc)


I'm really hoping she was misquoted.  I know her!

05/20/2008 11:35 PM by Debbie White, RE/MAX of Juneau, Alaska (RE/MAX of Juneau)


I'm so ticked off by both those comments I can't even think straight right now!  I will definitely fire off a response to both those email addresses. 

05/20/2008 11:46 PM by Bo Buchanan, Blue60.com Directory for Real Estate Pro's & IllinoisHouseHunter (Blue60.com & Kettley Realtors)


Bo - Oh I know! I was up fuming half the night!!

Debbie - I hope so too!  I would think she'd find out what the article said before giving a statement or well, I don't know, but it sure wasn't nice to see that line in there!

Chuck - Oh yes!  It all comes down to what the buyer wants!  But this makes it sound like agents say "Hey, the bank said $150k? Shoot, you want you a $250k house, let me show you!"  No way, the BANK says how much they can buy, then the BUYER makes that determination from the homes.

Here, they have to see and sign off on a Good Faith Estimate as part of our paperwork, before they sign the offer! So they know what costs and payment we're talking about before a deal is started!

Linda - Do get one!  Let me know your thoughts after reading the whole article!  I was just incensed!

Still trying to find a link, but apparently they only "feature" so many of their articles with an online posting and this one didn't make the cut.

05/21/2008 07:36 AM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


Here's PeggyAnn's response this morning: 

It is a "hit piece" taking my statements out of context and frankly out of topic as well. Ugly what the press and those who hate the real estate industry can do.

PeggyAnn

05/21/2008 10:13 AM by Debbie White, RE/MAX of Juneau, Alaska (RE/MAX of Juneau)


That's such nonsense... it's so silly that it would be passed off as fact. I'll be looking at the article and writing a response to them- thanks for pointing it out.

05/21/2008 10:38 AM by Chuck Willman, Arizona Realtor®, ABR, TRC (Gentry Realty & Investments)


Debbie - that makes me feel better about NAR's involvement.  However, it doesn't look good.  I sent in a response calling for them to apologize to PeggyAnn for the misuse of her words in this bit of garbage.

Chuck - I was just flabbergasted!  It was just straight out there, like an everyday fact.  I'm used to the media blaming the loan officers and mortgage world, but this is the first I've had a well-known media attempt to say it's the agents fault! Please do write in!

05/21/2008 12:09 PM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


Parents Editor Response:

http://activerain.com/blogsview/519346/Yes-we-said-Agents 

Now my problem is that the article does not portray what she said it does.  I came away thinking I was the greasiest slimeball on earth after reading this.  And her statement that we look out for the seller only - dead wrong.  Different states have different rules on buyer and seller agency - but here buyers have their own agents too.  And the article doesn't say we look for the seller, it says we look for our commission.

 

05/21/2008 03:03 PM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


This article is dead wrong we find buyers what they can qualify for from their lender. The sad thing is how many people will read it coming from a well respected magazine and think that it is true.

05/21/2008 03:27 PM by Patty & Scott Carroll - RE/MAX, Vancouver WA (RE/MAX Equity Group)


Patty and Scott - Exactly.  Now that they've laid it out there like this, the damage is done.  I'd like for them to hear from us exactly how much damage they've done and how wrong they are.  Please take the time to email Mary.Hickey@meredith.com and let her know!

05/21/2008 03:38 PM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


Sheree- I didn't sign anyones name to an offer to purchase or a mortgage agreement in the past 5 years, have you?

05/21/2008 11:13 PM by Mark Horan P.A. "The Resident Chef" at Keller Williams (The Resident Team at Keller Williams At-The-Lakes)


Mark - nope, Not I.  Mary thinks it was the Unscrupulous Few, despite her lack of clarification to that effect.

05/21/2008 11:19 PM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


Sheree~ I am appalled with this.  I mean it is despicable!  The damage is done and I think they did it on purpose and they don't care.  I mean like agents really have that much POWER!!  Come on!

05/21/2008 11:38 PM by Owensboro KY Real Estate Specialist Vickie McCartney Broker,ASP,ABR (Home Realty GMAC Real Estate Owensboro Kentucky)


Realtors were definitely not to blame for the sub prime mortgage crisis.

05/21/2008 11:51 PM by Laura Moore Godek (Laura Moore Godek, PC)


Wow Sheree, thanks for pointing this article out.  I don't think a retraction will be enough.  I'd like to see not only an apology from both Parents and NAR, and I think that they should run free advertising for the National Association of Realtor for the next 12 issues on why using an agent for your next home purchase will actually save you money on both the front and back covers of the magazine! 

This is truly despicable!

05/21/2008 11:57 PM by Julie Ferenzi (RE/MAX Professionals South)


This is appaling.  In all my years of real estate, I have NEVER suggested a sales price to my buyers or told them how much home they can afford.  I am a very budget conscience person and I always tell my buyers they do not want to be house poor and I counsel them to work closely with their lender.  I have noticed most people are qualified for more than they would like to spend.  I tell them it is very important for them to have money left at the end of the month for Pizza and a movie. 

Looks like we have to start educating....AGAIN!

05/22/2008 12:15 AM by


you said:   "I don't see where a real estate agent caused these folks to get in over their head!

NAR said: "Now more than ever, you need to figure it all out yourself."

It sounds like you and NAR agree and want to place the blame in the same place; squarely on the shoulders of the buyer.. I dont see that you have a disagreement with NAR

You may however disagree with me. I think at least part of our job goes beyond just taking orders, or as you put it: "They come to us, we get a pre-approval, they say they want to look in X to X price range and as long as the pre-approval supports that and they say they like that payment, we find them a home" ......I think we are paid, at least in part, for our advice and if we withhold it just to make a sale, we are "commission eating scum"

We real estate agents are not completely to blame for the sub prime mess that we find ourself in, but we did play a part and we should accept that.

05/22/2008 12:30 AM by Ron Parise (LocateHomes.com)


Sheree- Congrats on your gold star. This is a truly deserved feature that should be featured over and over again to get the word and we all need to take action against these deflamatory lies about Realtors. Where is the NAR to protect us, the members? Ah, wait, they are not here to serve us, only their own agenda, whatever political point that might be at any given moment. I will never buy parents magazine again, ever! Katerina

05/22/2008 12:50 AM by Nestor & Katerina Gasset, Realtors® Wellington Florida Luxury Homes (International Properties and Investments, Inc.)


We pay dues to NAR and line their pockets but agents really have very little input into what our "trade association" says or does on our behalf.  It would require something of a revolution to turn the way things are done upside-down at NAR.

05/22/2008 12:51 AM by Wayzata Lakes Realty: Eric Kodner Sells Luxury Homes


It never ends does it? Ignorance comes in all shapes and forms. It doesn't matter what is truth anymore, as long as it makes a good, juicy story.

05/22/2008 01:04 AM by Wendy Montoya, Waco Realtor® for Waco Homes! (Century 21® Towne Adams)


Right -- sure -- we are all responsible for what everyone else decides to do. Somehow I think not. Thanks for the info.

05/22/2008 01:22 AM by Bob & Carolin Benjamin - E Phoenix Arizona Real Estate (The Benjamin Team - Keller Williams Integrity First Realty )


Spent some time looking for the article... If you find it - I would LOVE to respond!! - I can't believe a trusted organization would have such warped thoughts - Since the median age for buying a house is the mid 30's - You couldn't have hit a bigger demographic!

05/22/2008 05:23 AM by Marcia Kramarz (Prudential Page Realty)


Disgusting. Pitiful. I'm ashamed of NAR. SHAME ON THEM!  I am most certainly going to give them both my 2 cents worth. Thank you for pointing out this sadly written article. What a shame!

I can see where someone else could write an article, blaming us. I'm NOT saying it is right, but do see it. NAR though????

05/22/2008 06:28 AM by Huntsville, Alabama Real Estate Agent Elizabeth Ramsey Cooper-Golden (Remax Huntsville/Madison)


RON-After further reading the remarks here, I strongly disagree with you. What "we" are you speaking of. I had NO part in this housing meltdown and lost more than one sale over the past few years by advising my clients that they WERE buying more than they could afford, even after they were approved at the higher purchase price. 

I'd appreciate it if you would leave "me" out of this and not to refer to all Realtors as being "Bad Apples". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa93QDT_5tM

05/22/2008 06:37 AM by Huntsville, Alabama Real Estate Agent Elizabeth Ramsey Cooper-Golden (Remax Huntsville/Madison)


You are kidding, right. I can see Parent magazine doing it but a quote like that from a NAR VP. What are they thinking ? You need to forward this to them for a response.

05/22/2008 06:38 AM by Missy Caulk Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams Ann Arbor, Michigan)


How strongly can I disagree with this?  Well, I guess I'll have another crusade to take on.

05/22/2008 07:01 AM by Diane Bell, Hilton Head Real Estate, Bluffton (Charter 1 Real Estate, Hilton Head, Bluffton, SC)


Great example of the lack of personal responsibility in this country. 

 

05/22/2008 07:25 AM by Chris Frantz (Exit Success)


Wow I can't believe they printed that. The responsibility is up to the buyer to determine what they can handle for a payment. If they need help determining what they can afford, they need to do research on their own because after all, they are the ones that know how much money they have and what they can truly afford.

05/22/2008 07:57 AM by Ryan Ervanowitz (Armour Home Inspection)


I thnk too much is being made of this.  I've seen much worse hit pieces in our local newspaper.  As the president of my local association last year, I was constantly called up by the press to give my view on many things and rarely was I quoted correctly.

And there's enough real estate agents out there practising that this article describes perfectly.  Your collective energies might better me served in filing greivances against unethical members.

05/22/2008 08:42 AM by Joe Virnig, "No Ordinary Joe" (RE/MAX Gold Coast REALTORS, Ventura County, California)


Ryan - We can give advise, but really it's up to the bank how much they think the buyer can afford, and also up to the buyer! How many deals have I had die because the buyer lied about finances?  The bank verifies these things.  I can't pull their credit and debts!

Chris - from Parents, or buyers?  from us? Or all!

Diane - strongly enough to write in a few emails to Parents and Nar, I'd hope! :)

Missy - well. PeggyAnn says they took it out of context.  With Parents blatent lies about all else, I'm more apt to believe they DID take her quote wrong on purpose.

Elizabeth - i could see someone else doing this.  My shock was that it was Parents magazine, who usually is very informative and gets good facts in.  Millions will take this as fact because they spewed it! Disgusting!

Marcia - I know, my luck to get incensed about an article they don't put online! :)  I will attempt to fax it to you?

Bob - I must also be responsible for the damage to the home, the buyer's job loss, etc.

Wendy - that's my fear.  This is just a story for them, but will damage the credibility of honest, ethical agents everywhere, discourage buyers from buying because they don't know who to trust anymore, and worsen the crisis (Yeah, that's right, it's Parents fault!! :)

Eric - as long as it's not Dance Dance Revolution, I'm all for it. :)

 

 

05/22/2008 08:45 AM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


I sent this email in as per request.

 

To whom it May Concern,

I just read the article How Much House Can You Afford Now?, in June's edition of Parents Magazine.

I am appalled that you would actually publish this drivel! As a REALTOR who takes the Code of Ethics very seriously, I am both mortified and enraged by the broad brush strokes this article paints real estate agents with. Misleading blame like this is part of why the housing industry is down the toilet. You print it, the public believes it. What happened to researching the source? Getting the facts and numbers right? Also, in case you were not aware, it is ILLEGAL for me to give financial advice. I am not a lender. Therefor how could I, or any other agent, be responsible for a consumers poor choice in loans and/or amounts borrowed? I have personally voiced my opinion to clients regarding loan amounts etc. that worried me and been happy to "lose" a sale if need be. We are not the enemy, if you must have one then might I suggest looking in the mirror. The Press has done more damage than anything else in this market, only my opinion, of course.

This is sensationalism at its worst and you can bet I will tell everyone I know about this. I have 17 blog sites I write for and can get the word out fast as well. My opinion may not matter to you, but to the average consumer it will. I suggest an apology to the industry over all as well as to VP of NAR, PeggyAnn McConnochie for misquoting her out of context. You have a duty to tell the truth, this is not it! Shame on you!

Regards,

Vanessa Stalets

05/22/2008 08:49 AM by Brentwood TN Real Estate/Homes - Vanessa Stalets REALTOR® (RE/MAX Elite)


On a related note, I'm sure retail establishments, restaurants, etc. are to blame when the consumer charges something they cannot afford as well.

Wake up buyers...it's time to take responsibility for your own actions!

05/22/2008 08:52 AM by Kelly Sibilsky ~ Lake Zurich RE/MAX Real Estate Agent (RE/MAX Unlimited Northwest)


Vickie - got your contacts, will check those out in a bit!

Katerina - I'm both giddy over my first star and sad that it's over something this despicable and not some wondrous advise I imparted that helped everyone's business. ;)  And I'm honored that someone I subscribe to has graced my blog! :) Thanks!!!

Ron - I personally put the blame on the buyer and unscrupulous mortgage brokers and loose lending practices.  I'm just saying that real estate agents do not have much to do with the buyer's finances.  I advise them not to overspend, have told them when they are looking over what they'd told me they wanted to pay. But it's between what the bank says they can afford, and what they tell me I want.  As long as the bank backups what they say they want, and they promise me it won't leave them eating pb&j's, I will help them find their dream home.  But I don't look at their bank letter, and say, "Nah, you can go at least $50k over this and be just fine!"  I wouldn't have minded maybe sharing some of the blame in the article.  But there was no mention of loan officers being at fault in any way, or banks, or such.  But that agents talked them into buying too much.

Laura - I didn't think so! I mean, we were there.  But it certainly wouldn't have been in our best interests, since we're apparently the only ones we care about, to have a mortgage collapse!

Julie - Thank you so much for emailing them!!

Jennifer - I did, and I'm afraid a good number of my clients are parents reading mommies.

Mystery commenter - Along similar lines, I advise against being house-poor and not maximizing their loan preapproval.   I have had buyers preapproved for 180,000 that only want to spend 100,000.  NO Problem for me!

Whew. Never had so many comments to respond to before, so please forgive me if I missed anyone!  I have not heard back again from Parents, but I am hoping they will notice a flood of emails from our AR members!

 

 

05/22/2008 08:55 AM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


Joe - Maybe I'm naive.  But without a loan to back up these sales, how can a Realtor, no matter how unethical, cause someoen to buy too much?  They have to get the loan! The bank would have to verify everything!  But yes, maybe I am incensed over nothing. That's me! :)

Kelly - love that analogy.  Can I blame the gas stations for my debt???

Vanessa - Thank you thank you!!  Very well written. :)

05/22/2008 08:59 AM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


I think the comments have pretty much covered this topic. I subscribed to Parents for a long time and always saw them as a trusted source for information on parenting. Sorry to see they have suddenly jumped into analyzing the housing market (and spreading doom, gloom and misrepresentations.) I'll have to read the full article but will definitely be writing to express my opinion. 

05/22/2008 09:20 AM by JoEllen Stranger-Thorsen, Lake County, FL (Catherine Hanson Real Estate, Inc.)


One has to wonder how these people that were "talked into" taking on loans they couldn't pay for, qualified for those loans in the first place???

05/22/2008 09:20 AM by Jim Lee, Knoxville Tennessee Realtor® (Realty Executives Associates)


Jim - My point exactly!  No matter how much we "talk" there has to be a loan to back it up!!!!

 

05/22/2008 09:24 AM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


Sheree - Its to bad when tabloid type hype enters the mainstream of legitimate publications ... I for one realize that what you see in print is not always the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The comment attributed to NAR was as reported by Debbie White taken out of context.

Here is a saying my webguy/hubby likes to use that may fit the bill

I know you believe
you understand
what you think I said
but
what you don't realize
is
what you heard is not what I ment

05/22/2008 09:24 AM by


I think I'm going to have to check around for the story and write a letter to the editor.  As someone that has been primarily a buyer's agent for the last few years, I take exception to what I see portrayed here.  I'll have to see if the article backs that up... if so, I'll need to unleash on them a bit.

05/22/2008 09:40 AM by Lane Bailey - The REALTOR for Car People (Diamond Dwellings Realty)


The blame game goes on & on.  No one wants to take responsibility for their own actions.  If someone wants to buy a house and they qualify, are we supposed to tell them that they shouldn't do it?  If buyers don't qualify for a purchase, their loan should be denied.  Many folks that we have dealt with didn't buy to their maximum qualification because they were responsible enough to know where they should draw the line for themselves.  The people who are losing their homes now because they agreed to a interest only, or an adjustable rate, or re-fi'ed over and over until they were upside down... did this of their own free will.  It's a shame, but it's time that these folks took responsibility for their own actions.

05/22/2008 09:55 AM by Katherine Anderson, Managing Broker (Coldwell Banker Hobin Realty, LLC - Hampton & Rye, NH, USA)


Well, thank you for posting.  As for Parents Magazine...that's a bunch of hogwash & they know it.  I guess they've run out of parenting issues to talk about.

05/22/2008 09:56 AM by YVETTE REALTOR IN WILLIAMSBURG VIRGINIA (LIZ MOORE & ASSOCIATES)


Lane - I agree.  I work mostly as a buyer's agent. I love it! I have not had any of my clients go into short sale or foreclosure, or even default, that I'm aware of!   The hard part to swallow was when the editor responded (i see you saw my followup post) and said they'd talked to industry experts to get their story!!

Yvette - oh no, they've got parenting issues too!  I call it my "guilt trip" magazine.  I feel bad that I didn't blow 5 grand on my son's birthday this year.  Oh well!

Katherine - Of the short sales I am currently involved in, all were because of refinancing, NOT because of the initial sale! Hmmmm..... No realtors involved in refi'ing!

05/22/2008 10:12 AM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


The NAR VP claims she was quoted out of context.  But if you look back on NAR's track record of commenting to the press and interviews on television, whomever they put in the limelight has a tendency to misspeak or miss opportunities to deal with the big issues.

The purpose of a trade association is to represent the industry.  Why is it that ours seems to consistently fail to put its message across?

05/22/2008 10:20 AM by Wayzata Lakes Realty: Eric Kodner Sells Luxury Homes


I just received a phone call from Lucien Salvant, head of the public affairs office  for NAR in Washington D.C. He apparently has been keeping up with this blog and is looking into the entire thing.He was looking for where the article was on line and I told him it was not, getting the mag was the only current way to see it. Good to know our Association is on top of things and willing to dig out the truth and and act accordingly. Also good to know that our AR blogs are being read by more than just us and the consumer! We will see where it goes now...

05/22/2008 10:29 AM by Brentwood TN Real Estate/Homes - Vanessa Stalets REALTOR® (RE/MAX Elite)


Sheree,

Very interesting article.  I myself remember a few years back when people were getting Interest Only loans for Lake Michigan Beach Houses that were priced upwards of $1 Million and thought they would be hurting in 5 years.  I then remember seeing certain homes appraise for amounts I thought was out of control and when I talked to the appraisers doing the amounts, they told me, if they do NOT give the amounts the BANKS want, then the banks will NOT use them again.  So in essence, I put the blame on the banks and the buyers.

Just because you are approved for $2,000 credit card, it does NOT mean you should use the entire $2,000 credit amount.

Same for the home.  If are approved for $200,000, why not take a $170K - $180K home and leave some available.  The buyer also needs to have money on hand for routine maintenance for the home an other home care.

People need to take responsibility for their actions.  They want to be treated like adults when it comes to voting in elections, having children and other life choices and this is no different.

 

 

05/22/2008 10:39 AM by Ryan Servatius (ERA Network Real Estate)


If interviews don't work, then NAR representatives should give a simple canned interview response:

"Because of the tendency for the press to misquote NAR and other real estate professionals in an effort to make the quote support the writer's or commenter's message, we are refraining from comment.  Visit our own website to obtain accurate and unbiased information that is not colored by deliberate media misrepresentation."

Trouble is, NAR will then have to hire a major PR firm to undo all the damage that has been caused by past interviews.

05/22/2008 10:45 AM by Wayzata Lakes Realty: Eric Kodner Sells Luxury Homes


Vanessa - OH MY.  We'll see alright!  I better go back through here and capitalize all my REALTORS and find me a little r icon thingy too.  My luck, they'd forget the Parents thing and pull my status over the lack of an r! It's like the feeling you get when you're driving perfectly fine but there's a cop just happens to be a few cars back! 

Ryan - exactly.  Where in there does the real estate agent say how much??  And it's not due to listing price either, though that should be supported by comps and the appraisers.  I've seen homes not appraise high enough for listing price.  So all in all, the BANK has to backup what the agent lists, buyer offers, and all agree upon.

05/22/2008 10:50 AM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


I can't believe they would blame real estate agents, but for NAR to agree is even more unbelievable!

05/22/2008 10:52 AM by Emily Lowe - Nashville, TN Realtor (Prudential Woodmont Realty)


Eric - absolutely.  Unfortunately, now that the damage is done, it's hard to reverse it.  Like that first impression on a first showing of a home - you can't undo it.

05/22/2008 10:57 AM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


Sheree~  It is just like blaming the restaurants because Americans are overweight. I guess the restaurants force feed too! 

 Well, I think it is Parents magazine's fault because there are bad parents out there!  How do they feel about that?   The whole thing is ridiculous!

05/22/2008 10:59 AM by Owensboro KY Real Estate Specialist Vickie McCartney Broker,ASP,ABR (Home Realty GMAC Real Estate Owensboro Kentucky)


Sheree, excellent post. I am calling the guy that sold my car to me and tell him it's all his fault that I have to make the payments.  Maybe someone will feel sorry for me, let me continue to drive the car and not be held accountable for SIGNING the purchase contract.

There is no doubt in my mind that NAR could have easily been taken out of context.  However, by now, NAR ought to know better and I have come to expect that they should know better. 

05/22/2008 11:07 AM by AMANDA HALL*Broker*HALL TEAM HOMES* FORT WORTH REAL ESTATE (Serving all of DFW and surrounding areas within N Texas)


Sheree,

You are correct.  The issues start to come in from all the other Realtors in our field. From partimers not understanding how to price a home to certain real estate offices who believe it is better to have signs everywhere instead of pricing homes correctly and then getting listings sold.

We have one block in South Haven that has three homes for sale. On was a bank repo and went for $87K, the next is a updated home with rental history and the asking price is $425K and now a new one that is a smaller home but in nice condition for $224K.  Mind you all three of these homes are on the either side of each neighbor from each other.

I can give you a guess which one is listed and priced by an agency that believes in just getting signs everywhere.

Now this brings confusion to the buyers who come to town and see three homes next to each other with such a price difference. It also gives sellers a false sense of what their home is worth and makes our jobs much harder to come in after this is done and try to educate them on what a true value is for their property.

05/22/2008 11:09 AM by Ryan Servatius (ERA Network Real Estate)


I'm calling a lawyer....the lawyer can figure out who to go after ! I am HOT !

05/22/2008 11:13 AM by


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05/22/2008 11:14 AM by Melissa Grant


amanda - Oooh, can I?  The gas is killing me, i can't make the payments anymore! I hope they were taken out of context, but still... and if you saw my followup at

http://activerain.com/blogsview/519346/Yes-we-said-Agents

Parents say they didn't take her out of context.  PeggyAnn said through Debbie that they did.  So it's kind of a she-said, she-said deal.

Melissa - I don't know that we need to sue anyone! But I am HOT too!

Ryan - That definitely doesn't help matters.  But the banks and appraisers have got to be responsible for verifying value and ability of buyers to repay.

05/22/2008 11:37 AM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


We obtained a copy of the article in Parents magazine and we certainly see why it has created such a discussion. However, do not be too quick to judge us... The blogosphere often contains comments that are untested or unverified. That seems to be the case here. Peggyanne is a fine REALTOR® from Alaska. and she has already posted her response that her comments were taken out of context. She is also not a Vice-Presiden of NAR! Living in Alaska would have made for quite a commute to the Chicago HQ.

05/22/2008 11:39 AM by John krukoff-Director NAR Information Central


John- Thanks for your input!  It is good to see NAR on top of this.  Hopefully you saw the statement from the editor on my followup post:

http://activerain.com/blogsview/519346/Yes-we-said-Agents

Basically PeggyAnn said it was taken out of context, but the editor contends that it was not and she has the transcripts to prove it. 

I am definitely more inclined to believe PeggyAnn than Parents, considering the rest of the article's misrepresentations. :)  They are the ones who noted her as a Vice President. I couldn't find her on staff.

And heck yeah, that'd be a commute!

05/22/2008 11:46 AM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


Sheree,  Logic tells me to go get pre-approved before I start looking.  But, buyers don't think that way. The first thing a buyer does after surfing the internet is to find a Realtor.  "Most Realtors" (and there are thousands of them) are happy to have a warm body and start showing.  I see this attitude in a number of blogs hear in the Rain Example: Jennifer Allan  

My office gets more requests for pre-quals after an offer has already been submitted than we do prior to shopping.  Now most of the agents we work with do their best to get pre-qualified buyer but, even some of them will show a house out of fear of losing that warm body. 

If Realtors were not commissioned sales people this article would not have been printed.  So, I can see why the article was published.  I must admit, it is nice to have a little heat taken off us Mortgage guys.

 

05/22/2008 11:47 AM by Jimmy McCall~Clarksville's Mortgage Consultant (Legacy Mortgage Services, Inc. ~ Clarksville, Tennessee)


Jimmy - I'm happy to have a warm body too, but I will not submit offers without a pre-qual and estimate of costs.  The Real Estate Commission here requires that we let them know the costs involved AT TIME OF OFFER.    I bet it's nice!  It's not all the mortgage world's fault either!  I hate having these broad strokes paint all of us! 

05/22/2008 12:17 PM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


Sheree - Hey thanks for bringing this to our attention.  That's just awful.  One thing to keep in mind though, since I used to be in PR for three radio stations - sometimes the magazines misquote or take a quote like the one we read out of context. Who knows what the entire interview with PeggyAnn said.  She may have defended our group, but the whole conversation was never included in the article.  Trust me, I can't tell you how many times our local papers misquoted me or someone in my organization - it happens and it's a total bummer when it does.

05/22/2008 12:26 PM by Jessica Bigger ~Eureka, CA Real Estate (Ming Tree GMAC Real Estate)


I'm just puzzled why NAR seems to consistently have so much trouble getting their message across.  The media likely misquotes everybody.  But the bigger question is one of competency.  Who are our spokespeople and are they qualified and capable to put their message out in a public forum?

You can be sure if the National Rifle Association had the same problem, they'd be making staff changes.  Charlton Heston was their spokesman for decades and their message was controversial, but he managed to avoid being misquoted or misrepresented all the time.

05/22/2008 02:07 PM by Madeline Island Realty - Eric Kodner Sells Madeline Island


Jessica - i do hope it was a misquote, and PeggyAnn says it was!  The  Editor says she's got transcripts and it was not.  but I can certainly see a misquote.  Also the misrepresentation of PeggyAnn as a vice president of NAR.  I just think these need to be corrected, by NAR or Parents or both! 

yes people get misquoted, but NAR hasn't seemed to really care about correcting these either.

Eric - I'm sure NRA would at least be requesting a retraction, reprint, or opportunity to rebuttal the misquote, ya know?

I'm sure they can also probably say that since the article references real estate agents vs NAR's REALTORS(r), then it's a moot point.  REALTORS(r) have a Code of Ethics we adhere to and agree to, real estate agents in general, do not.

05/22/2008 02:22 PM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


I agree to a small degree. Some real estate agents(not professional REALTORS® did contribute significently to the mess we are in now!

05/22/2008 02:33 PM by Mike Frazier, Dyersburg Tn Real Estate (Carousel Realty of Dyer County)


Mike, How can you say that Realtors would have anything to do with this. We do not qualify people ! We show them the homes within their qualifications it is up to them to decide what home they choose. This is not our doing.

05/22/2008 02:43 PM by Melissa Grant


Mike - I think it'd have to take a group effort... I mean you'd need an unscrupulous real estate agent, plus an unscrupulous loan officer, plus an unscrupulous appraiser, in order to get someone into a house that they could not qualify for, wouldn't you?

Quick comment too - PeggyAnn emailed an agent within my office, who had sent her a harsh message about all this.  PeggyAnn still claims she was taken out of contect and that the initial interview for this was in 2007!  also that she was VP back in 2007 when the interview was conducted. 

Her NAR history:

http://www.achconsulting.com/resume.htm

I feel bad for her getting into this quagmire!!

05/22/2008 03:30 PM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


Pat V Coombs of NAR also just emailed the agent in my office that their public affairs team was all over it and would be talking to Parents magazine! :)

05/22/2008 03:32 PM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


Melissa,

In my area there are quite a few feal estate agents(some very unethical) chasing the almighty dollar. I did not say Realtors did this!

05/22/2008 04:18 PM by Mike Frazier, Dyersburg Tn Real Estate (Carousel Realty of Dyer County)


Wow, that is about all I can muster right now.  Will come back to comment later!

05/22/2008 04:33 PM by Joshua and Kathy Schmidt (Coldwell Banker Advantage Realty-Cabot)


LOL Josh/Kathy - kinda how I feel about all this right now!

05/22/2008 04:46 PM by Sheree Wilkerson (Allegiant GMAC Realty)


Horrible!  I guess my fingers will be typing tonight!

05/22/2008 07:31 PM by Kelly's Real Estate Possibilities Blog (Century 21 Superstars)


Stop pretending the realtors didn't participate. Every office has at least one agent that shoehorned tons of buyers into loans and homes during the last four years that are now being foreclosed.

The brokerage firms give rewards at the yearly sales meetings to those unethical realtors. Yes, they do belong to NAR. Guess what? The same agents are now doing short sales, which once again is defrauding the banks. It's enough to make you vomit.

05/22/2008 09:23 PM by


Everyone has to blame someone...why take responsibility and be ethical when you can blame someone else...Ya gotta wonder why we HAVE to pay dues to organizations that are less than supportive and professional,hmmm ?

05/23/2008 06:33 AM by Sally & David Hanson, Southeastern Wisconsin Realtors (First Weber Group)


Real estate agents are about as responsible for bad home buying decisions as Parents Magazine is responsible for bad parenting on the part of subscribers to their magazine.

05/23/2008 09:19 AM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Totally disagreed with article. However due to some greedy and unethical agents(less than 10%),  realtors are balmed for housing crisis.

PS: Check Fresno and other major cities short sale and foreclosures.

05/23/2008 10:54 AM by