Typically, I try to avoid heated discussions about Search Engine Optimization - especially if it involves my competition. Most of the time, chiming in just adds fuel to the fire. But a number of people have asked for my take about the recent advice given by Mary McKnight concerning the number of comments in a blog post having a negative effect on SEO. So with that in mind, I decided to write a quick post to give my take on things. If you are not privy to the discussion here is a quick recap…

Mary basically said (paraphrasing) that lots of comments can alter the keyword density of your post and therefore can negative effect in your ability rank high in the search engines for that post. You can view the video below…

Jonathan Washburn then chimed in by leaving a comment on Brian Brady's Blog Post. In short, here is what Jon said…


Matt Cutts', head of Google Webspam team writes on his blog "I'd recommend thinking more about words and variants (the "long-tail") and thinking less about keyword density or repeating phrases."

Amongst SEO experts it is pretty much agreed that you should NOT be concerned about the keyword density on your blog post. Google's algorithms are very advanced. This MIGHT have been a concern 3-5 years ago, but not now.


I would have to second Jonathan Washburn on this one. Now Marry does make an interesting case about this. In fact, I brought up a similar point a while ago in a post about too many comments adding too many outgoing links. But at the end of the day said...


I have to believe with the amount of technology they have, they are smart enough to know that these are simply links from comments.


So let's dig into this in a little more detail about why I think Mary's concept is a non-issue…

Keyword Density is an Outdated Concept

Today, it's more about the site or page theme. Let me give you a great example. My company originally a video and marketing company that simply fell into the real estate web design niche. So while I was busy designing websites for Realtors, I didn't have time to redesign or change the copy on my company website. Because of this, my site was not centered around Web Design for Realtors. In fact, it did not even mention the phrase "real estate web design" once in the entire website! Yet I still ranked on page one for that keyword! Why? Because I had so many backlinks and real estate related websites linking to me. Now I am not suggesting that you shouldn't include your target search phrase, I am merely using this example to prove my point.

What is the Theme of Your Website?

Think Site Theme and Page Theme instead of keywords. Jon hit the nail on the head. Matt Cutts specifically talks about this (the infamous Linux Printer Post). The old way of SEO was to repeat a phrase many times. The new way (not really that new) is to think about latent semantics (synonyms and themes).

Comments Reinforce the Theme

If I write a blog post about blue widgets, then it seems logical that people will comment about blue widgets. So more comments will only reinforce the theme, not dilute it. Plus, if a blog is written correctly, it will spark the conversation. People will leave relevant comments. You, as the blogger, can then make additional comments to keep the conversation going on the right track. Sure, there will always be people who leave the generic "great post" just to get their points on ActiveRain. But don't you think a $133 Billion dollar company such as Google has refined their algorithm to know the difference between the post and the comments? I am not a programmer and I can think of a dozen different ways to easily determine that by simply looking at the code.

High Value Posts Equals Many Comments

Many comments typically translate to high value. Now I know that this is not a hard and fast rule, but think about it for a second. If I write a dog of a post, I am probably not going to get many comments. But if I write something of high value, then it will probably spur many people to leave a comment. Plus, many people commenting, means that many people have visited your blog. The more eyeballs that are looking at the post translates into a greater chance of other bloggers and websites linking to that post.

Just Test The Theory

While it would be difficult to do a true scientific test, you can do a general test of this theory by looking at posts with lots of comments and see if they show up in search engines. I did a few different tests and found that many of the top blogs that show up in search engines do have lots of people commenting. Now keep in mind, it's difficult to accurately test this theory since posts with many comments also typically received many backlinks (which only reinforces my theory of more comments translate into high value)

So with that said, feel free to comment all you want on this, and any other post I write. The more the better! If you want, you can even link to it! I won't mind. ;-)

To Your SEO Success,
Brad Carroll - Dakno Marketing

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MAY
24
2008

Brad, thanks for the information on this, and your usual clear explanation!

9:09am • #33
878,959 Points 75 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

The best and worst parts of SEO is that no one really has the answer. It is all just speculation of the how the Google Giant works :)

3:01pm • #34
MAY
26
2008
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Brad, As usual, great post with your point made in a simple to understand way. Thank you.
11:59pm • #35
MAY
27
2008
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Someday, we will all go to Google heaven and find out the true answer!  Thanks for a great, easy to understand post Brad!

Tina in Virginia

1:24am • #36
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Brad, I am glad to finally here someone else say what I thought. I can not see how too many comments can weigh you down when I read outside blogs from high ranking google page rank bloggers and they have over 200 comments on their blogs.

10:17pm • #37
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I am just learning about SEO and what it means.  I am not quite sure how to go about it yet.  I think I need to subscribe to your blog and do a LOT of studying.  What you say makes sense, but I am afraid I do not understand how to take advantage of the SEO.  Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't there companies that charge big bucks to set up keywords on your website to drive traffic to your site?  If this is something I can learn I would prefer to do it myself, not only save a few bucks but I could also have the control.  At the same time, it is a time maintenance issue.  I could better suite my business prospecting or selling real estate. 

Thanks for the info...now I have some reading to do

10:53pm • #38
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I don't think comments have anything to do with it. The words used in the comments, of course.  Now, if you intentionaly try to herd the cattle by making everyone use that special 'keyword' you're targeting, then you might be on to some new secret sauce.  I think google is extremely literal - let the blog post do the work for you - the comments are for those hoping for some link juice - from you...

11:25pm • #39
MAY
28
2008

Nice blog Brad.  I found it very informative and liked it.  Thanks!

6:52pm • #40
JUN
04
2008
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I believe that cross linking can be one  of the most important sources for having a successful website.

12:30am • #42
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Brad - If you could just capture 25 percent of the people commenting on this post as a customer, you would have a great year. We have the same problem as realtors, people read, and sometimes comment, but they don't buy.

When you have a better answer for that problem, your business will explode.

Great post - keep up the good work.

11:07am • #43

Brad - good post.

On my offsite blog I moderate comments very carefully for that very reason. Spam is noise and does not help your readers or your SEO.

To respond to outgoing links from comments negatively affecting your seo; comments cannot affect your seo if the link tag included the "nofollow" attribute. If you are using Wordpress this is the default setting, so no worries there.

The bottom line is just as quality blog posts are valued so are quality comments.

 

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11:17am • #44

Brad, I agree with you about SEO arguments...I've been in many over the years, and wasted a lot of time doing it. Within the SEO industry, nobody listens to anyone else anyhow.

So I wrote this post

Why SEO "theory" is usually worthless

I hope you enjoy it.

11:35am • #45
325,091 Points 12 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Brad,

That's good stuff. Always learning something new as long as you stay busy. But, yeah, keyword density seemed to be the secret to SEO heaven and now it's allure is fading. Great insight there. Need to implement that into my scheme of things.

10:43pm • #46
JUN
10
2008
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Bottom line for a Realtor is how many of the readers actually buy houses.  I have given up on SEO...I'm on the first page...actually number two for my key word target.  But that doesn't necessarily covert to money in the bank.

What I am beginning to focus on is subscribers.  And who better to have as a subscriber but past clients.  This is my bread and butter.  This is who I write for.  Focus on subscribers and forget the search engines...for agents anyway.  Real Estate is a local, one on one business. 

 

12:35am • #47
JUN
16
2008
1,585,361 Points 430 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

This was an excellent article, Brad. Lots to think about. I thought Mary's comments intriquing but was not convinced. Guess my real focus is on teh content for readers, which brings me business weekly.

Jeff

9:19am • #48
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As always, this is very helpful, Brad.  I'm a big fan and always learn from your posts.

10:36pm • #49
JUN
18
2008
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I am soooooooo glad you addressed this. I just saw that video a few days ago and it didn't jive with what I had heard from other people and it left me a little confused. Thanks for blogging about this.

4:20pm • #50

I have learned so much by reading your blog and the following comments,  I started out thinking I was a techie novice - I have learned so much from all of you and I am beginning to "get it!"  Many thanks!

4:33pm • #51
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Brad it took me forever to find your blog again and I've now subscribed.  This is a very interesting read and I look forward to your future offerings.

12:21pm • #52

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