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Buyer Beware: Disclosures Don't Tell the Whole Story!

Reblogger Gita Bantwal
Real Estate Agent with RE/MAX Centre Realtors
Original content by Karen Feltman S44645

Recently, I received a call from a buyer's agent regarding a home that I had listed and sold to her buyers several months ago.  She was questionning whether the seller knew that there was old termite damage in the ceiling of the main floor of the house.  When I asked how it was found after the closing and not by the termite inspector, she indicated that the buyers had removed the crown moulding as well as the wallpaper and it was found then.  That explains why the inspector didn't find it, it was HIDDEN.  The agent was accusing the sellers, who had lived there for over 45 years, knowingly covered up damage with crown moulding over 20 years ago.  Well, since it was a POA that completed the disclosures due to an owner with dementia, there was limited information provided in disclosure other than what the seller had maintained for records and repairs.  So it begs the question, did the seller know and that is why they added the moulding?  Or did they add the moulding because it was all the rage back then?  We will never know!

 

Another situation happened to a friend of mine.  Her brother had purchased a home about a year ago from a seller that had lived in the home for just over 11 years.  In that time, she disclosed that she had needed to file two separate insurance claims for a failed sump pump.  The second time her basement flooded, she had added a battery backup system as well.  When the basement flooded over the weekend, the water was worse in one corner of the basement and the sump pump WAS working, it had not failed.  Upon pulling back the carpet in that corner, a secondary sump pit was revealed that the current owners did not know existed.  Imagine finding this under the carpet!!!!

Hidden sump pit

 

There was no pump in it and the water was coming from that hole faster than they could get it out!  The questions is, the previous owner did not disclose the existence of this secondary pit.  It was hidden under the carpet and not mentioned in the disclosure.  Although you want to give the seller the benefit of the doubt, it seems unlikely that she didn't know it was there when she had filed two claims and the carpet had been replaced more than once.  Was it an oversight?  Who is to blame?  

 

The seller disclosure is completed by the owner and it is intended to disclose things that the seller knows for the time period that they have owned the house. I have seen on disclosures from time to time that the current seller discloses something that was disclosed to them about the home from the owner before them.  But that doesn't happen very often.  The disclosure completed by the owner holds the broker and the agent harmless from the information and misinformation that may be contained in it.  And it is difficult to prove that the seller knowingly deceived the buyer.  Still, the question remains....how much can you trust the seller disclosure?  There are some things that inspectors can't see.  Welcome to the worst part of home ownership!

 

Keep smiling!

 

Karen

 

photo shared from a friend that found a hidden sump pit under their carpet.

 

Karen Feltman, REALTOR®, ABR, AHS, CHMS,                                                                      CNE,CRS, e-Pro, green, GRI, SRES, TRC

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Dinah Stallworth-Lewis
Priority Real Estate LLC - 318.332.8281 - Natchitoches, LA
NATCHITOCHES, LA HOMES FOR SALE

Hello Gita,

This is a great reblog and you should get some interesting conversation regarding this issue.  I am a real estate broker in Louisiana.  

The LOUISIANA REAL ESTATE COMMISSION updated our Property Disclosure Document (PDD),  recently.  And, this was partially in response to a decision by the Louisiana Supreme Court in a case, according to Patricia B. McMurray, which highlighted the possible ambiguity in completing the PDD form in choosing between the "no" or "no knowledge" selections on the existing form.[2]  The revised PDD eliminates the choice of "no" and limits the seller's possible selections to "yes" or "no knowledge".  All information about the property completed by the seller on the PDD form is completed "to the best of the seller's knowledge".  The Seller is obligated to disclose what they know about the property, no exceptions.  

Sep 09, 2018 08:38 AM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

Thank goodness agents are not responsible for hidden damage or items out of the scope of our expertise. That is why we recommend home inspectors and termite inspectors.

Sep 09, 2018 03:44 PM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Dinah, thank you for sharing 

Sep 09, 2018 04:42 PM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Debbie, I agree.

Sep 09, 2018 04:42 PM
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Great choice for a re-blog, Gita.  Buyers should do their best to verify everything in a purchase and not just take anyone's word.  Some things may never be known.

Sep 10, 2018 05:35 AM
Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

Thank you very much, Gita, for sharing this excellent reblog selection.

Sep 10, 2018 05:59 AM
Joan Cox
House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate - Selling One Home at a Time

Gita, great choice for a reblog, and these disclosures are only as good as what the Seller want to disclose, even though they are obligated to disclose ANYTHING they are aware of.

Sep 10, 2018 06:28 AM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Gab, I hope they will read this.

Sep 10, 2018 10:31 AM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Roy, thank you.

Sep 10, 2018 10:32 AM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

Joan, thank you.

Sep 10, 2018 10:32 AM