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Can You See The Stars? Light Pollution & Real Estate

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Real Estate Agent with Chuck Willman 9334967-SA00

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"I wanna see stars." Steve said.

That was his answer to the question, "what's the most important thing you're looking for in your home search?"

His answer struck for a variety of reasons.

First, I recall seeing stars as a kid. I'd just seen the movie "Mary Poppins".

I took my mom's new umbrella to the roof.

Jumped off.

You can guess the rest.

The umbrella inverted and I sunk like a rock... landing flat-footed- then rolling... I discovered what it feels like to have the wind knocked out of you. Stars spun 'round my vista like furious fire-flies.

But this wasn't what Steve was talking about. Here's how he explained it:

"When I was young we lived in town. The main drag had a few high powered street lights. My bedroom always had a faint glow. Then we moved to the outskirts. Our first day in the new home was marred by one thing- it was summer and we had no electricity yet. So, we slept outdoors- under the stars. On that first night I couldn't sleep. I was caught up in the beauty of the universe and wondered about my place in it. Any time I'm dealing with a perplexing issue I like to re-create that night. I go outside. Flop myself down and look at the night sky. Soon enough my thoughts form themselves and I know how to tackle the situations before me. So... you can see my predicament. Sure- I can see the night sky. But with all this light pollution surrounding us I need to find that place away from the street lights. Can you find me a home that let's me see the stars?"

In an instant I knew what he was talking about.

As a 12 year old I had a paper route. I lived on a military base and many of my subscribers were pilots. I found if I delivered the papers before 4 a.m. the pilots would be able to read the paper before flight training. This act- the early delivery led to many tips- the bonus of good service.

If you've ever seen the sky at 3 a.m., the stars are piercing and the sky serene. As I peddled from one house ot the next I couldn't help but think about the universe and my place in it.

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Steve is not alone. There's a growing concern by citizens of the industrial nations of the world. There's a "dark sky movement" about... people are trying to fight the effects of light pollution. The abundance of light we humans desire has a consequence... from the practical to the poetic:

  • Man-made light is a drain on energy reserves.
  • City observatories (such as Griffith's Observatory in Los Angeles) are rendered useless for astronomy. (See comments section for further clarification.)
  • The sense of wonder derived from seeing the stars is being lost on each generation.

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Phoenix is a major city.

Anyone driving into the valley may (depending on the route) see the light of the city an hour before arrival.

This does not mean the stars can not be seen.

Several new neighborhoods on the outskirts have light-reduction ordinances.

In these neighborhoods lighting is kept to a minimum.

Some don't like this... for them street lights mean less crime... higher safety.

I understand these concerns.

However- there is the flip side.

In such homes you can go out back.

Flop down on the cool ground.

Look up into the expanse of the night sky.

Let the day give way.

And experience the wonder of this world.

And your place in it.

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Chuck Willman is a real estate agent based in the Phoenix metro area. He can be found at NewHomesAZ.com.

Comments(14)

Christine Lopez
Century 21 M & M & Associates - Lodi, CA

Awesome blog! I think you hit home with this idea of how important it is to help our clients find their dream and dream their impossible dream! It is so true that you may not even really be selling a house but what the home offers in it's entirity including the stars!

May 29, 2008 12:31 PM
John Walters
Frank Rubi Real Estate - Slidell, LA
Licensed in Louisiana

I like those stars myself.  Light polution is a problem when one wants to see stars.

May 29, 2008 12:59 PM
Kelly Winch
Cascades Sotheby's International Realty - Sunriver, OR
Broker, CDPE

Great post - It's a shame many people never get to truly see the night sky at its brightest and I'm not talking about man made lights!  we have an observatory about 5 minutes from the house and they offer some great summertime viewings.  Hey -- an idea for a blog.

 

May 29, 2008 03:44 PM
Liz Moras Migic
Chilliwack, BC
Chilliwack, British Columbia - Realtor

Chuck you took me back in time......lying on the ground observing the stars.,a nice silent reveries that both calms the soul and makes your heart sing at the same time.

May 29, 2008 06:41 PM
Eric Kodner
Wayzata Lakes Realty: Eric Kodner Sells Twin Cities Homes - Minnetonka, MN
Wayzata Lakes Realty: Twin Cities, Madeline Island

Chuck, I had a client who was an astronomy hobbyist and I learned a lot about light pollution issues from him.

Most telescope owners prefer that there be no mercury vapor lights (such as highway or shopping center lights) nearby.  Low-pressure sodium lights are bettter, presumably because they emit light at a single frequency which can be filtered out with special eyepiece filters.  Mercury vapor lights with no phosphor coating are second best.  But broad-spectrum highway lighting and commercial lighting is almost impossible for astronomers to deal with.

May 29, 2008 06:51 PM
Debbie Summers
Charles Rutenberg Realty - New Smyrna Beach, FL

Chuck - On a recent trip to Boca Grand, FL (A barrier island on the west coast of FL) we were riding back to our condo by boat at about 9PM at night after having dinner.  I got in the boat and was mesmerized by the stars, my husband has been going there fishing for about 10 years... but this was my first trip.  I sat on the dock for 2 hours looking at the sky.  Everyone thought I was nuts, I said right there and then that I want to move there, I can see stars. 

May 30, 2008 12:26 AM
Eric Kodner
Wayzata Lakes Realty: Eric Kodner Sells Twin Cities Homes - Minnetonka, MN
Wayzata Lakes Realty: Twin Cities, Madeline Island

Arizona is such a great place for astronomy, with famous observatories like Kitt Peak and so forth.  Are state and local governments there doing anything to see that light pollution is reduced or controlled?

May 30, 2008 03:28 AM
Chuck Willman
Chuck Willman - Alpine, UT
NewHouseUtah.com

Christine- I love when clients have very specific needs because- when you find it it's just so rewarding for both of us.

John- It's the greatest thing about camping... it's startling to realize how much we're missing.

Kelly- And I, for one, want to read all about it.

Liz- Nail on the head!

Eric- I'm not aware of restrictions near Kitt Peak... but it is disconcerting that we "overlight" when there are ways to focus light... restricting it to the necessary areas.

Debbie- I fully understand the "moment" aspect of this. It's my hope that my children will be able to experience the wonder of looking out into the universe. Photographs alone won't do... it's just something to be experienced.

May 30, 2008 04:54 AM
Eric Kodner
Wayzata Lakes Realty: Eric Kodner Sells Twin Cities Homes - Minnetonka, MN
Wayzata Lakes Realty: Twin Cities, Madeline Island

Chuck, have you seen a copy of Sky & Telescope magazine or Astronomy?  I have read articles in those publications about amateur and professional astronomers who have circulated petitions and have lobbied local & state governments on this issue.  I even recall this being done in Arizona and New Mexico. 

Your great climate, relatively flat terrain and unobscured sky views in Arizona are a natural resource and a treasure!  People need to understand the implications of ignoring that treasure.  It is an environmental issue as much as anything.

Tell your client who wants to be able to see the stars that there are lobbying groups he can contact and join.  He might find some resources here:

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/

http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx

 

 

May 30, 2008 05:12 AM
Anonymous
ccpetersen

I know you want to sell houses, but dissing other cities and putting out wrong information about their observatories is misleading.  In point of fact, astronomy IS done at places like Griffith and observatories in Sydney, Denver, etc.  Their visitors get to see the planets and some other objects in the sky, and by every measure of the word, that is "DOING" astronomy. It' strue that can't do the type of "Big" astronomy that is done at Kitt Peak, but that's also a function what size telescope and types of instruments are being used. Nobody will set up a big research observatory in a city, but there are plenty of folks in big cities and near them who do astronomy with smaller telescopes just fine, thank you very much.

So, tout Arizona's clear skies all you want, but be truthful to people. You don't need to diss other places just to make a sale.

May 30, 2008 07:33 AM
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Chuck Willman
Chuck Willman - Alpine, UT
NewHouseUtah.com

CC Peterson- Thanks for visiting my blog- if you'd left an email address I would have had the opportunity to respond to you personally but let me do my best to address your points of concern. First of all- yes, I'm a real estate agent.... however, your assumption that I'm "dissing other cities" "to sell houses" is a bit presumptious. This is a blog- not a scientific research site. And- if one were to assume that I'm trying to capture the big city expatriots I'm living in the wrong city for that. Phoenix is #5 in population and it's about as difficult to see the stars here as it is in Los Angles, Chicago, New York and other large metropolitan areas. It's my duty as a real estate agent to try to help people find what they're looking for. There aren't many places in my market that fit the needs of this particular client about whom I blogged... we did manage to find something that satisfied him- but this took some travel to the further reaches of the valley to accomodate his number one requirement. I'm a good agent but it's quite impossible for me make the heart of the city a star-filled oasis. :-)

Your other concern is that I "be truthful to people" ... I'm assuming this is in regard to the statement about Griffith observatory. It's not my intention to mislead. I simply quoted others who have links (which I included) on this topic. The "Dark Sky Movement" is the group that makes the claim, not I. This would be a very good time to contact them about their findings if you feel they are misleading. I have no affiliation with them. However I do want to clarify your assessment that Griffith is "in every measure of the word... 'doing' astronomy." The Griffith Observatory's own website is a great source for spelling out their contribution to the world of astronomy. Griffith Observatory is owned and operated by the City of Los Angeles, Department of Recreation and Parks. The current director E.C. Krupp describes it as "a beloved icon of Los Angeles and world leader in public astronomy. Since 1935, the Observatory has given tens of millions of visitors the opportunity to become observers." It's not a research center as much as it is (in their words) "a popular public monument and tourist attraction."

I hope I've clarified the intent of this blog. The point of this post is less about selling real estate ... it's more about explaining that there are consequences to progress. As our cities become more popular we bring with us side issues that impact our surroundings. An abundance of light is one of them.

May 30, 2008 09:46 AM
Doreen McPherson
Homesmart ~ Scottsdale ~ Tempe - Tempe, AZ
Phoenix Arizona Real Estate ~

Hi Chuck,  I grew up in Tucson and can tell you the city lights have been an issue for a very long time.  They were seriously affecting Kitt Peak and the ability to see the night sky.  The new developments had restrictions in place at one point.  The home I purchased in 1977 had no street lights at all, due to laws.  I know things have changed and there are lights that don't cause as much of a problem, so they may have eased some of the restrictions.

(disclaimer - I haven't lived there since 1983, I have not kept current on this issue, so I have no idea what the laws are now.  I am only going by what had happened back when I lived there.) 

May 30, 2008 03:16 PM
Sabrina Kelley
ERA Herman Group Real Estate - Woodland Park, CO
Woodland Park Colorado Mountain Homes and Land

The leoid meteor shower was amazing here in central Colorado. When you live 15 miles off the grid there is very little light pollution. Stunning stars every cloudless night.

May 31, 2008 07:28 AM
Chuck Willman
Chuck Willman - Alpine, UT
NewHouseUtah.com

Doreen- Now that Tucson has over a million residences I'm pretty sure it would have to have some impact on Kitt Peak... that's the one sad thing about such places ... you'd want them close enough to amenities but not so close that the surrounding light inhibits the research.

Sabrina- I love to go camping it's just amazing how bright the stars are and that there is such an abundance. I was in your area last summer, it was absolutely gorgeous up there.

Jun 01, 2008 11:09 AM