Comment by Michael Sahlman:

Hi I just added you as an associate. I am looking for possible alternate SEO companies or experts to help me. I am not too pleased with my current one. Also am trying to avoid paying an upfront charge for services not yet proved. Thanks for the post.

Michael, I've decided to answer you in a new post, because I have a lot to say about this.

In my opinion, the real estate industry is one of the most difficult for a search engine optimization specialist to tackle. Some reasons:

  • Fierce competition.
    • More real estate agents daily are realizing the Internet is the place to be, and there are hundreds if not thousands of people selling real estate in most locales.
  • Old, sometimes spammy, domains that are grandfathered into the SERPs
    • Google is taking a closer look at these when they are poorly designed and slow to load, but it's still hard to knock them off the first page.
  • Limited number of keywords available.
    • How many ways can you say 'homes for sale'?
  • Dynamic templated sites that don't allow for proper optimization.
    • Some of these companies are making their templates more SEO friendly, but they are still usually cumbersome and make a difficult goal even harder, if not impossible, to achieve.
  • Lack of money, especially now with sales down.
    • The more you can spend on link building and advertising, the easier it is to get rankings and traffic.

With most web sites, especially national ones, I can hit a home run pretty quickly. When it comes to real estate, it's a struggle every time. Not only that, when and if it comes, it takes a long time...often 6-12 months of dedicated hard work.

The following is what I stress, and Michael, make sure this is what your current SEO is doing:

  • First: extensive keyword research on how buyers search in your area
  • Your site should be impeccable:
    • Clean code
    • Proper navigation - no broken links
    • Keyword targeted titles - no duplication within the tag
    • Original titles on every page
    • Meta description that includes keywords and draws visitors to your site
    • At least 5 pages of original content with targeted keywords
    • Proper keyword density (run your content through a density checker)
    • H tags and alt tags that include keywords
    • Photos that are named using keywords
    • Contextual links to deep pages within the site
    • Footer links
    • Unique IP address if at all possible
    • Domain name registered for at least 5 more years
    • No invisible text, cloaking, or anything else that Google frowns upon
  • Listings in all local directories.
  • Submission to Yahoo! Directory, Business.com, Best of the Web, and other paid directories that are smiled upon by Google.
  • Submissions to niche directories.
  • Regularly updated blog (at least 3 posts per week): on-site if your web site is hosted separately, off-site if you are with a templated site. This is in addition to posting on Active Rain.
  • Submission of your blog to blog directories.
  • Participation in Social Media networks.
  • Buy text links from the demographic you're marketing to, for traffic (if you get link juice from it too, so much the better).
  • In an extremely competitive market, like Miami, consider Pay per Click ads. They work.

There are no guarantees when it comes to getting on the first page of Google. An SEO specialist can do everything right and still not get there; after all, in reality there are only 5 slots for each keyword. PPC takes hard cash, but there aren't many types of advertising that don't cost money.

Michael, I would never take a job without upfront fees, because of the uncertain nature of the Internet and Google in particular. However, many SEO's will make part of their fee results-based. At the very least, review this list with your SEO, ask them to de-spam your title and meta description, and I strongly suggest that you get yourself an original website hosted with a unique IP address.

Some of the SEO's reading this may not agree with everything I've laid out here, although I'm not sure what it would be. I don't have time these days to enter into debate on any of this (no offense intended). We all have our own ways of optimizing sites, these are my guidelines, and this is all pure white hat advice that can only help a web site.I need a nap now!

Al, thanks for encouraging me to continue posting on AR once in awhile.

Whew - now I need to go take a nap! 

Kay

SEO Diva ~ SEO Tips and Advice

 
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39 Comments on Real Estate SEO - Cold Hard Facts

JUN
01
2008
140,787 Points 8 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router

Wow, Kay, a lot to obsorb here, half of which I understand!  Thank you.

4:33pm • #1
159,695 Points Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Kay,

You said a mouthfull.....now I know there is much more I don't know about SEO, however through good people like you in AR I may someday get ahead, thanks for sharing.

6:47pm • #2
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Kay - More great info and one more reason you can't leave AR.  I started writing a long comment here but it turned into a post.  Can you check it out and set me straight?

Homework from the SEO Diva

Thanks.

-Al

7:27pm • #3

Kay, thank for the great information. It looks like I have lots of homework to do. For clarification...separate blogs on my website and separate blog on AR?

Dave

7:34pm • #4
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Kay, This is why I listed you as one of my favorite bloggers in my Memorial Day meme.  You are so willing to share.  I have done much of what you say but only have my domain on my newest site registered for 2 years maybe I need to go back and pay for a few more years.  I'm not even sure on my original site.  I guess I need to check them all out.

7:48pm • #5
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I fully understnd your point and know where you are coming from. We get calls daily from people who promise us the world to get us on the first page.  Sometimes you may be number number one and they want to make it better.  They give you a sales pitch with very little evidence of what they can do for you.

Knowing someone is a much easier sell as you amy do the actual work where as the callers know little of what you do. I do a lot on my own but I am to the point of asking someone for help on my general site as most of my effort is my niche sites New Orleans Condos and New Orleans Condo Blog.

I know if you do not work on a regular basis you fall. Its a competitive world.  Always enjoy your blog. I includes the links as my site is different than most.

8:54pm • #6
JUN
02
2008

Kay - Thank you for explaining the difficulty performing SEO for real estate sites and for the list of recommendations.  Everything I've read on multiple blogs about SEO and in multiple SEO ebooks and "primers" by various SEO pros supports the advice you've provided here in a very concise and helpful post. 

Best Wishes,

Kelsie

6:57am • #7
429,456 Points 47 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Kay - Excellent work in putting this together. There is so much to stay on top of when it comes to SEO. It is a never ending battle to stay at the top, especially when you are competing with all the big names like Realtor.com, homes.com, trulia, ect.

7:08am • #8

Kay - I certainly agree with you about arguing the tactics. I, too, am very tired of doing that, and I try to avoid it. There are a number of ways that work. We can review the results for a highly competitive metro area and find three to four different approaches ranking well. In our role here as link builders, we do that all the time. Some sites rely on blogging, others do a lot of linking, etc.  

There are return-on-investment considerations. Some methods take a lot less time and money to get the same result.

From out experience here, I might counter that we've found a lot of real estate markets to be void any significant competition, and are rather easy to get ranked well. We see that all the time.

If the first page of search engine results (or report) pages  (SERPs) are dominated by the large, national lead generation sites (homes.com, realtor.com, realestate.yahoo.com, truli, citysearch, etc), then that is a location that is ripe for the taking by a local agent. You can drive a truck through it, rather quickly, with a modest investment of time and money.

The engines do seem to "prefer" a well optimized, focused domain for particular area, but they default to these single pages of the national sites, when no one locally is doing this properly.

What baffles me is why so many metro areas are still in that condition.

8:38am • #9
JUN
03
2008
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Kay, I am amazed with the wealth of information that is contained in your blogs.  Thank you for sharing.

3:34am • #10
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Kay, thanks so much for your continued posts and information.  You are such a wealth of knowledge and such an asset to the AR community.

2:23pm • #11

I have an Internet Marketing person on my team who has been saying the above to me as we are developing a new web site. There is so many little things to tweak your page that helps.

2:28pm • #12
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Once again Kay, I thank you!  Your generosity in sharing this information beyond words.  I am glad to hear from you again.

11:27pm • #13
JUN
04
2008

Kay - Great info! I've got a handful of work to do!

8:00pm • #14

Woah.....lots of info, I with Kay I need a nap as well.....thanks for posting.

8:06pm • #15
JUN
05
2008

good blog, very good information, thank you

2:32pm • #16
150,885 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog

This is quite a good list. Thanks.

How does someone do keyword research? Google's keyword tool can offer keyword recommendations and tell you how much a word is advertised and how much it is used, but is there a google resource for keyword research that does not require trial and error, random word testing.

My imagination is too weak, and looking at some of the keywords that pull up my site, there is no way I would ever have guessed.

What is the property keyword density? Someone told me no more than 10 on a page, and how does a search engine identify the keywords in the text of a page? I generally bold my keywords, but surely that is not the key to identifying keywords.

The unique IP address means not associated with a templated site provider company??

And I take it that blogs posted on my templated website generally do not help with search engines? I have noticed that my AR posts show up and generally my website posts do not, I thought that was a result of inytinsic PR of Active Rain.

Finally, I did not realize that search engines know and rate how long the URL is registered. Is that really true?

I try to keep up with you here and on SEO Diva.

Richard

8:07pm • #17
JUN
06
2008
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Geez Kay, you make it sound like a full time job ;) You are 100% correct. There are a lot of things that we have to do correct if we want to rank high in real estate SERPS. I think your list is a pretty good start. I would like to add "be consistent for several years" to that list.

9:21am • #18

Kay - I think you are one the money here with two minor exceptions.

Sites that sell text links have recently gotten punished by Google with a 0 PR which means that there is no trust or authority passed (aka no link juice). A buyer should also be aware that many purchased links have the nofollow attribute which also does not pass juice. Not to say that these links won't generate traffic they just wont pass any link juice.

Keyword density is no longer a valid SEO strategy.

Thanks for putting together a great checklist.

10:50am • #19

That was too much to take in at this time on a Friday...  Bookmarking...

5:55pm • #20

GREAT info! Way to break it down for simple folks like me. Thank you very much.

Josh

6:46pm • #21

Thanks for the great information.  What do you think about seomoz.org's pro version which costs about $400 a year?  Is it worth the money?  I know they have a money back guarantee, but how would I go about gauging its effectiveness?

8:16pm • #22

Wow, lots of comments to leave!

@Dave - Yes, separate blogs.

@Marchel - a couple of years is okay, but if you plan to keep it for a long time more is better.

@Eric - it's an ongoing job to keep a site up to day. At some point in time you have to admit you can't do it all.

@Kelsie - Thanks for your input - I try to keep my recommendations on AR within accepted SEO practices.

@Bill - You're right, and it's like that in every industry.

@Dirk - I don't know, metro areas seem to be tough. Those are mostly what I've had to deal with. If you're getting good results, that is awesome!

@Leolinda - You're welcome. :)

@Pam - Thanks, you're welcome too!

@Joseph - It sounds like you've got a good marketing person.

@Kathy - You're welcome. I always enjoy the comments when I post on AR.

@Paul - Yep, most people do, including myself. My sites tend to be like the shoemakers children who need new shoes.

@Bryan - Naps are good! :)

@Sal - You're welcome.

8:35pm • #23

@Richard - Some of my previous blogs cover keyword research.

Bolding all your keywords isn't really a good idea, or necessary.

Just write naturally, with a goal of about 3% density for each keyword. There are density checkers online.

You can sometimes ask for a unique IP from your host.

I can't say for sure about blogs on templated sites, but your research is showing that they don't help.

Oh sure, the search engines can go right into the whois database (www.whois.com). Check it out.

8:36pm • #24

@Ryan - Funny thing, I do find it to be a full time job! I like your addition.

@OurMonmouth - Just to let you know, I've been around the SEO block, and in fact just attended an advanced search marketing conference with the big boys. Trust me, link selling is alive and well, but quite secretive now. Link buyers with brains know to buy a link that does not have a no follow tag on it and will not easily be found by Google. Sometimes a no follow link brings enough good traffic that it's worth it, however.

Also, keyword density is still important. A site with too much density is called "SPAM." A site with no keywords is called "not in the SERPs." :) It's important to pay attention to it.

@Sandra - That's why I had to take a nap after I finished it!

@Josh - You're welcome!

@Jon - I just spoke to a rep about it at the conference, and I think if, as a single site owner, you are really into metrics, it's worth it. It's definitely worth it to me and the marketing company I work for, and we are going to order it.

 

8:52pm • #25
JUN
09
2008
443,150 Points 10 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Thanks for all the great information.  I hope I can keep moving up.  Have a great day 

8:24pm • #26
JUN
18
2008

Kay, I always get something wonderful from your posts.  I've bookmarked this one for a quick checklist to my never ending seo work.  I do my own and one thing I know -- keep on keeping on!  You can't stop or your seo person can't stop.  It has to be ongoing just like any advertising campaign.  Thanks again for sharing! 

3:59pm • #27

@Russ - good luck!

@Annette - you're right, it's like any advertising campaign. Many people don't understand that.

10:14pm • #28

kay,

hello

i'm very interesting in your post

hope to chat you soon

 

joli

10:28pm • #29

Thanks for the informations. It's always good to hear new ideas or reinforce one that I should be doing

10:59pm • #30

Again great stuff...  There are lots of ways to SEO heaven and it looks like you have figured out many of them...

Glenn

11:51pm • #31
JUN
25
2008
1 Featured Post Outside Blog Hit Router

Thanks Kay for taking the time to write such a complete response. Now I have to re-read your comments as i am about ready to fall asleep. Thanks again for your response.

10:31pm • #33
JUL
02
2008

@Joli - I hope it helps you.

@Craig - you're welcome!

@Glenn - lol I keep trying :)

@Michael - see what you inspired!

9:00pm • #34
OCT
05
2008

Kay...you realize that you are a little intimidating - beauty & brains :)

How did you learn so much about SEO?

Bobby Wallace

6:03pm • #35
OCT
25
2008

Thank you for hte thorough post.  And I look forward to further reading on the SEO Diva blog as well, thank you.

9:13am • #36
NOV
04
2008
122,836 Points 1 Featured Post

Great information!  One other thing to keep in mind is that the SEO criteria seems to continue to change as SEO becomes more and more popular, and people are trying new methods.  With that in mind, one must always try to stay ahead of the curve.

10:37am • #37
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Hi Kay; Awesome post.  Do know it is not easy - especially in the real estate industry. I bookmarked you post as there is especially good info here.

5:24pm • #38

Kay - posts like this is why you are my hero. Thank you very much.

9:43pm • #39
NOV
05
2008

Kay, great information. I will need someone to interpret some of things you mentioned, but I still appreciate the value that you bring to a/r.

11:07pm • #40

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