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Subprime lenders are dropping like flies

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Mortgage and Lending with MLS Maps, Agentopolis, Tweet Me Homes

In case you haven't been watching the markets last week and yesterday, major sub-prime lenders are suffering and dying at an alarming rate of speed.  D1, a subsidiary of HSBC reported writing off $10.6 billion in bad sub-prime loans in 2006.  New Century, which is one of the top 5 sub-prime lenders in the country is rumored to be closing today, and Fremont Investment, another big sub-prime lender announced it was closing it's door yesterday.  In addition, there have been many smaller sub-prime lenders that served the market with useful niche products who have also already gone out of business in the past few weeks.  What does it all mean?

Well, all the federal and state government efforts to "fix" the mortgage industry may be a big waste of time as the industry is in the process of self correcting through market forces, imagine that.  It is starting to look like the big problems that our wise government was blaming on unscrupulous mortgage loan officers was as much or more of an issue with overzealous lenders who were desperate to keep showing higher revenues and profits, and had to turn to more and more risky products to do that because all the "A" borrowers had already been taken care of when mortgage interest rates dropped over the past few years.

Secondly, if you think the foreclosure rate is high now, fasten your seat belts! One of my best sub-prime lenders and also one of the top 5 lenders in the country told me yesterday that it is going to be almost impossible to find 100% financing for the sub-prime borrowers.  What this means is that as all the sub-prime 2 year ARMs come due and threaten to adjust UP roughly 2% points, seriously crushing the cash-flow of these home owners, they will have nowhere to go.  Over the past 5 years these people were able to do a cash-out refinance to lower or at least keep their interest rate and payment the same while they tried to get their spending behavior under control and improve their credit scores so they could come back to the market and finally qualify for the coveted "A" paper 30 year fixed mortgage.  With lenders closing out the 100% and 80/20 loans, and with home prices being flat or declining in most markets, all these sub-pime home owners will have no where to go but get second jobs or walk away, as in many cases they owe more than their home is worth. 

When the dust settles, there will be far fewer sub-prime lenders with far fewer programs that will be much less risky for the investors and those who qualify to purchase a home in this "NEW MARKET" will actually be able to make their monthly payments in a timely manner.  Go figure!

Does anyone want to go tell the people in government before they spend millions of dollars fixing a problem that will be mostly self corrected by the end of March?

Ken Horst
MLS Maps, Agentopolis, Tweet Me Homes - Minneapolis, MN

Kaye,

I think the FEDs will need to step in but not at the company or lender level, they will need to step in and bail out the homeowners.  I think what will need to happen is that someone, the government or the lenders, will have to finance the buy down of these rates and extend the terms so more home owners can afford to stay in their homes.  I feel that the lenders need to shoulder some of the responsibility but I doubt that will happen as they are already crying poverty with all their loses. 

I do not think we will see a rate hike as I believe the FEDs know that if mortgage rates go up too high it will completely stifle the economy, which for the past 5 years has been completely supported by the mortgage and real estate industry.  If it weren't for all the cash out refinances of the past 5 years, our economy would seriously be in the tank.  The feds, while they will never make mention of it, have the ability to manage long term mortgage rates.  I think the 30 year fixed rate will remain between 5.5% and 6.5% at least through 2007.

Mar 06, 2007 02:53 AM
Mitchell J Hall
Manhattan, NY
Lic Associate RE Broker - Manhattan & Brooklyn
According to Jim Cramer on Mad Money last night, he said they should be called working class mortgages rather than subprime. He predicted that the feds will lower interest rates in May.
Mar 06, 2007 03:14 AM
n d
Naoma Doriguzzi - Virginia Beach, VA
yep, pretty much everyone i have talked to is if you don't close your loan by the end of this month then no more 100%.  Lock your loans! 
Mar 06, 2007 03:40 AM
Paul Silver
Tiverton, RI
Rhode Island full service real estate firm

We see the exact same thing happening in Rhode Island... it is a concern, and we are ever watchful of events as they unfold...

We are also letting all our sub-prime borrowers know, and advising them that they should be very proactive in repairing their credit situation, debt levels, etc.

Great post... 

Mar 06, 2007 04:06 AM
Jose Luis Ramirez
5 Star Mortgage, Llc - Colorado Springs, CO
Ken, I'm against further government regulation but I don't know that this will all be self-corrected by the end of March; some lenders are on shaky ground but have less restrictive covenants in place. When it comes time to renegotiate those, I think they'll find investors lacking in confidence, and we may see further fallout.
Mar 06, 2007 04:29 AM
AZ Mortgage Broker: Michael George
Arizona Wholesale Mortgage Inc. - Phoenix, AZ
AZ Mortgage Rates

Great post...and I agree:  Fasten your seatbelts.

You know, it's really funny.  I get a lot of clients who can't afford to buy a home, but they have excellent credit.  They'll ask me for a "stated income" or a "no doc" loan.  (I realize that this is more Alt-A than subprime, but my point is the same.)

I will usually respond by saying, "Yes, it is possible for you to buy this house, but if we already know the payment would take up 60% of your monthly income, why would you want to?"

They usually don't know how to answer.  I don't think people even think about the possibility of foreclosure.

Mar 06, 2007 04:30 AM
George Tallabas
RE/MAX Advantage - Nampa, ID
Idaho Real Estate
Ken, this is way overdo.  When I grew up one had to save money to buy something of value.  If we didn't have the money we didn't buy.  The industry seemed to think for the past several years that it doesn't matter if a person saves or not, they all deserve a home.  You comments about foreclosures are right...we have not seen anything yet!  We need to get back to a buyer needing to save for a down payment and qualify for a loan based on his/her proven income and credit history.
Mar 06, 2007 04:31 AM
Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life
All I can is it is about time.  Let the real players prevail!
Mar 06, 2007 04:46 AM
Anonymous
Mikey

The FDIC stepped in versus Fremont only because it has determined that the loans being originated present a safety and soundness issue to the bank itself. Since they are on the hook if the bank fails, they made Fremont stop doing loans. All FDIC institutions took notice of this I assure you.

"Does anyone want to go tell the people in government before they spend millions of dollars fixing a problem that will be mostly self corrected by the end of March?"

I don't think the problem will be fixed by the end of March, the big private (by private I mean non-FDIC insured) banks (Merrill Lynch, Credit Suisse, Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs) will just have eliminated the competition and brought the correspondent channels in house. Nothing will have been put in place to stop the private sector from doing this more.

Mar 06, 2007 04:57 AM
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Eddy Martinez
Nationwide Funding Group - Highland Park, CA

subprime 80/20s are bascially history for now that is..........................

New Century got rid of their subrpime 80/20 programs

Eddy

Mar 06, 2007 06:07 AM
Dave Cheatham
INC Financial - Bartlett, IL
Yes they are droping, but this happened last time rates where like this too.  Many lenders can not hold with out the new business and the the old business not being the best risk.  I thik this might be a good thing.  It helps people that are good at what they do. 
Mar 06, 2007 06:10 AM
Kaye Thomas
Real Estate West - Manhattan Beach, CA
e-PRO, Manhattan Beach CA
Ken.. I think you are right.. Fed will likely make changes to help homeowners.. Banks would rather see foreclosures or short sells then take responsibility and make adjustments on individual loans... I have always thought it curious how those that deal with supposedly long term financing so short sighted and rarely look much beyond the consequences of a 3-5 year term.. I realize they are pandering to investors who want quick profit.. but something has to change.. we really can't afford to have so many banking related problems in a relatively short time frame..
Mar 06, 2007 06:22 AM
Michael Lee
Home Sweet Home - Brentwood, MO
Your Credit & Housing Solution Provider
I think less government is better for all concerned.  My recommendation is to have a good financial advisor firm (that is also a solid restoration company with a good reputation) step in - help consumers and show them how (with concentrated effort) clean up their credit and expand their income.  Lenders can close more loans - further stimulate the economy and use down payment assistance programs for the better of all while aiding charities in the process.  My philosophy is "Think Outside The Box."  By taking proactive steps and solving problems is always a better route for all involved.  Just check out my profile...  Real estate agents and lenders really like my ideas and those ideas get results.
Mar 06, 2007 07:00 AM
Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty
One thing is for sure - change is constant in this industry - however - some of the forecasts of a year ago did not hit the mark - wonder how this will all play out.
Mar 06, 2007 10:29 AM
Eric Bouler
Gardner Realtors, Licensed in La. - New Orleans, LA
Listening to your Needs
The government is part of the problem. They set no great example. They will not pay for their mistakes either, our kids will. hello earth, come in please!!!!
Mar 06, 2007 12:25 PM
Timothy Schwartz
Century 21 Mack Morris Iris Lurie - Marlboro Twp, NJ
I heard a statistic today that suprised me.  Apparently 30 mortgage companies "closed shop" since January 2007.  Ouch!
Mar 06, 2007 12:54 PM
Christy Powers
Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners - Pooler, GA
Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent
They need to be dropping faster. Well, not necessarily. They need tighter regulations.
Mar 06, 2007 01:42 PM
Vicky Poe
Good Ole Rocky Top - Crossville, TN
Realtor/ Auctioneer
If you are in the rental business things just got better.
Mar 07, 2007 05:00 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

"Does anyone want to go tell the people in government before they spend millions of dollars fixing a problem that will be mostly self corrected by the end of March?"

Ken,

That line is so good that I wanted to repeat it!

 

"Does anyone want to go tell the people in government before they spend millions of dollars fixing a problem that will be mostly self corrected by the end of March?"

Well said!

Bill

William J Archambault Jr

The Real Estate Investment Institute

http://www.reii.org

Mar 07, 2007 06:23 AM
Kelli Fronabarger
Bend River Realty Inc. - Bend, OR
Realtor - Bend Oregon

Ken-

I also think this is long overdue and a necessary part of the continued market adjustment back to reality. Great post and good information. Thank you : )

Mar 07, 2007 08:00 AM