I really wish that a few of my brethren in the mortgage business would stop constantly looking for the next easiest scam just to get more loans.

Take a look at this "Some Buy a New Home to Bail on the Old" in the Wall Street Journal and I beg you, please try not to get on that bandwagon no matter how bad your market is. And saying you aren't there to be your borrower's parent is just not a good enough excuse.

We all need to band together to stop fraud if we really want the mortgage brokerage business to continue to be a viable career option.

Thanks!

Carl Pruitt

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17 Comments on New Trend ? Buy a Home, Then Walk Out On Your Last One

JUN
11
2008

I 110% agree Carl.  While it seems good in the short-term it will only complicate the market even more and make it more difficult for people to own more than one property.

4:55pm • #1
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I totally agree, I've seen too many people by a new home in another area and let their homes here foreclose.

4:57pm • #2

A new client just told me it was a bad idea to pay off you mortgage because if you were mortgaged to the max the bank took the hit if the property decreased in value.

5:01pm • #3
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See this happening some.

Just another way to beat the system, right?

5:16pm • #4
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While I understand hard times, I sometimes wonder what has happened to the concept of honor. Although many people fight tooth and nail to prevent foreclosure, I seem to be hearing too many stories in mortgage broker forums of people just walking away as a business decision.

Do these people even imagine that another lender would be willing to lend to them if they knew such a plan was in the works? I would have much more sympathy for these people who walk away from their mortgages if they would just pay the appropriate price for a bad or unlucky decision and realize that they aren't ready to own another home at that time.

Pretty soon we'll have lenders putting cross default or universal default clauses into mortgages the way they do credit cards - just to protect themselves. When these loans are packaged and sold later, these foreclosures can have an effect on the value of the bundled securities and thus increase interest rates for everybody.

 

5:21pm • #5

I have first hand experience with this. My wife and I were looking at buying a new home from a national builder and we submitted our offer and started the paper work they informed us that we could not proceed without first selling our current house, which we don't want to do.  Needless to say we canceled the transaction.

6:36pm • #6
JUN
13
2008

Jeff, What would you recommend this lady do?  She is upside-down, so selling is not an option.  Let's say she has talked to her lender and has gotten nowhere.  She needs a place for her and her family to live.  I don't see a ton of choices for her.

It's a terrible situation for sure, but it's the current lender and not the new mortgage person that's the problem.  If this lady wants to borrow money to buy a more affordable house, what are you going to tell her?

12:55pm • #7

Not sure which Jeff you are talking about, but the vast majority of the people whose houses are ending up in foreclosure are never even contacting their lender to try to work something out. In fact, they are actively avoiding the calls and letters when their lender tries to contact them. In addition, this is talking about people who aren't even late on their payments yet, but are using fake leases to cover the debt payment long enough to buy a new house - knowing all the time that they intend to walk away from the old one. Often the new loan officer is perfectly aware of what is going on and is hiding this fact from the new lender.

In these situations, both the old lender and the borrower made mistakes even if the mistakes were unintentional. Unfortunately, people should still have to pay the price for making even unintentional mistakes. The price for making a mistake that results in your home being foreclosed is that you aren't eligible to get a new mortgage until you have waited the appropriate time and rebuilt your credit. This person needs to rent until they've paid the price.

I don't want to get too preachy, but everyone these days seems to think they shouldn't have to pay the price for mistakes they make in life. That trend explains in a nutshell a lot of the problems our country is having today. Would many of the mortgage programs offered or underwriting decisions made over the past few years have developed the way they did if the Wall Street firms hadn't felt that someone would bail them out if things went wrong? This applies all through the process.

So to answer your question, I'm going to tell the lady I can't help her with a mortgage because its unethical and/or illegal. I'm going to tell her that she and her family need to find a good rental and wait for 3 years while prices fall. Far too often in the mortgage broker forums I "hear" people who want to be considered "professionals" and "mortgage advisors" cop out and declare they aren't the borrower's parent or it isn't up to them to make the borrower's decision for them. But it is up to them to decide whether they want to be an ethical human being or whether they are just in it for a quick buck - in which case they need to acknowledge that and quit whining when people don't respect them.

 

1:36pm • #8
JUN
26
2008

Very informative article. Buying a house is a serious decision. It is the largest purchase one has ever made in his life. This is a decision that should not be taken lightly and you gave some great points to consider.

5:23pm • #9
JUN
28
2008

How is this person going to get a mortgage with current mortgage lates anyway?  I'd have major trouble here.

9:27am • #11
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I think once they realize they aren't going to be able to sell their home for more than the payoff, some of them are using faked up leases to cover their present house payment for debt ratio purposes and buying another home before they are ever late on a payment. Then they just let the former home go into foreclosure.

10:22am • #12
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I think that this is a fairly serious issue.  Many people may not do it intentially -- they find their "dream" house, buy it, and think that their old home will sell within 2 - 4 months -- and SUPRISE!  It doesn't sell and they can't keep up with the two mortgage payments. 

Very dangerous waters and it could perpetuate the current housing issues.  Thanks for your post.

12:41pm • #13
JUL
06
2008

More people being selfish and hurting us all. I think this is fraud that should be prosecuted.

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JUL
10
2008

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6:26am • #15
APR
21

Boo hoo hoo, evil buyers are underwater by 250k+ and they're drwoning while everyone else gets a bail out. What do greedy realtors and mortgage brokers claim-oh boo hoo, they might infringe upon our sales and future!

Grow up you greedy bastages. You happily sold these people houses with joke loans and ridiclous valuations knowing full well what was going to hapen. Now that it has you simply want people to suck it up. You people are a joke. No wonder the Real Estate profession is full of bloodthirsty leaches--6% for what!!@@?

Eventually we will rid ourselves of you!

 

BUY AND FLY BABY!!!!!!!!!!!

Buyin and a flyin
12:07am • #16
OCT
19

Very well put Buyin and a flyin, and a perfect way to end this post. You said what all us buyer feel perfectly !  Why is the hell should be pay for the greed and incompetence of the mortgage and lending industry's????  Very good question 6% for what, a few hours work and a tank of gas and they make a killing.

JG
10:13am • #17
DEC
20

In my opinion you need to look at this as a business decision.  If you bought a bad stock you cut your lost, and move on.  You can take your chances on it coming back but you may also loose even more.

A purchase of real estate is not any different.  You cut your lost and move on if it is a bad investment.  Keep in mind it isn't a legal or moral decision it's a business decision. Like all business decisions you make when cutting your lost there is no perfect choice.

Do a google search for this article, "Underwater and Not Walking Away: Shame, Fear and the Social Management of the Housing Crisis" by Brent T. White. To get a different point of view from that of real estate and lending.

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