A fellow appraiser of mine is at a loss.  He's been debating with one of the big banks how on earth an appraiser is to apply a remaining economic life value to a condo. 

Below are some excerpts from his correspondence with the big bank:

"As this is a condominium form of ownership, it is impossible for the appraiser to place an "Estimated Remaining Economic Life" for the defined air space of the subject or for the common elements and limited common elements for this condominium project. There is no "life" or "economic life" associated with this type of ownership in the form of common element and limited common elements. This project consists of many condominium units as well as several buildings, recreation areas, etc, all of which has a common element or limited common element form of ownership."

And so this appraiser calls HUD for enlightenment.  In return, he was given permission by a HUD representative to have the underwriter of the big bank call him so that he could confirm this appraiser's original argument. It can't be done.

The appraiser then referenced the Oregon Real Estate Agency web site which states:

"A condominium generally consists of condominium units, limited common elements and general common elements. Each is defined within the declaration, the document recorded to create the condominium, and depicted on the condominium plat. Generally, the condominium unit is a specifically designated interior space with fixed boundaries within a structure. All other portions of the condominium which are not units - including the ‘bare land' underneath the unit - are considered common elements. Such improvements as common parking, lawns, swimming pools or recreation buildings are examples of general common elements. If a common element such as a patio, garage or storage closet is limited to use by a specific condominium unit owner, it is then a limited common element. These definitions are necessarily general in nature and may not include all examples of a condominium unit, general common element or limited common element."

In short, you cannot put a value on air space... or can you?

According to the big bank, this has been done by other appraisers and their having a hard time figuring out why this appraiser is being such a pill.

What I want to know, is which one of you is doing this and how is it justified in writing? 

 
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19 Comments on Questioning authority: How do you apply remaining economic life to a condo?

JUN
13
2008
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Sara - I'm going to hang around to see the input on this.  Interesting ...

2:35pm • #1

Interesting.......  Its always funny to hear UW's or LO's that try to convince you to do somthing incorrectly and use the arguement everyone is doing it.  Well if that is the case why don't I jump off a bridge because everyone is doing it.  J/K  Im going to flag this post and follow it.  Thanks

2:47pm • #2

This appraiser DOES sound like a pill! :)  It should be noted that you can put a value on anything, but the question really is - for the condominium form of ownership entity which unless defined by the project or project bylaws - last forever (except in cases of some leasehold land estates which has a reversion after a certain period of time), can you answer the question of remaining economic life.  If the entity is eternal, isn't the answer the remaining economic life is forever??  Always a pleasure to read your posts!

Christopher Parra
3:53pm • #3
JUN
14
2008

That's something that should be addressed when developing the scope of work with the lender and their underwriting guidelines.  FNMA and HUD do not require the cost approach for condos so there is no set rule or method to follow, or be used to provide that type of requested information by the underwriter.  There are ways, however, to determine it.

A condominium is a form of ownership interest of the "air space" of a unit, within a parcel of real estate, which can be conveyed and financed along with an interest in common elements.  When appraising a "Condo" you are not determining the value (or market value) of the "form of ownership" or the "air space", but the market value and/or marketability of the unit exposed to the open market.  Commonly by the sales comparison approach of similar units.  The condition and amenities of the unit, along with the common interests in comparison is the basis of the value.

By saying there is no "life" or "economic life" or the "remaining economic life is forever" would indicate that a condo unit in major deteriorated condition would be the same as or equal to a unit in excellent new condition.

If the condominium unit is destroyed by fire or other diaster, the owner has the right to rebuild in his or her "airspace".  Therefore, the replacement or reproduction cost along with depreciation would need to be, and should be, determined (separately of course) which would provide an estimate of remaining economic life.  That period would also require consideration of the present condition and other known factors that might affect future use or desirability.  

The condominium form does not allow for the cost approach, which on other forms (if developed) requires determination or estimate of the remaining economic life, which is the remaining period over which a property is expected to be economically usable, with normal repairs and maintenance, for its intended purpose and which it can be expected to remain useful.  It does however require the effective age in the project information section which is another way that can be used to determine or estimate the remaining life and subsequently remaining economical life.   

If the condo unit is income producing (rental), the remaining economical life can be determined or estimated by using the income capitalization approach and/or form 216 (operating income statement) replacement reserve schedule (which provides an estimate of replacement cost and remaining economic life or useful life using the straight-line recapture method for capital improvements) and the use of itemized accrued depreciation or segregated cost depreciation for other capital and non-capital improvements. 

It is rare that an underwriter would make such a request, but I don't see any reason not to determine the remaining economical life, by using part of, or a combination of sources and/or methods as part of the work file (along with additional comps, market facts, etc) to have available if requested.       

 

11:04pm • #4
JUN
15
2008
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Hello Jason - You're always so kind and wise to keep up with underwriting/appraisal issues.

Adam - I'm not sure if everyone is doing it.  I've never heard of such a thing before.... and I believe that this appraiser has done other condos for this lender without ever being asked to give an economic life.

ChrisP - This appraiser is an absolute pill, I confess... but darn good appraiser ;-)

David - Thank you! I will pass your knowledge along and absorb some of it myself.  Have you ever been asked to do this?  I have to admit, I would not have thought to ask whether or not the client is looking for a remaining economic life as part of the scope of work.

12:04pm • #5

Sara  -  I have never been asked by an underwriter to provide REL when the appraisal was for a purchase or refi on a condominium property that was, or was to be, owner occupied.  I have and do however, provide the REL when the property is a rental as part of my income approach analysis.  Since I am somewhat consistant in my appraisal methods, I automatically develop the REL for non-rental condominium properties the same as I do for the rentals, I just don't include it in the report.  When developing the scope of work, I don't directly ask if the REL is required as part of the underwritting guidelines, most LOs and UWs wouldn't even know what I'm talking about.  If the property is a rental, I will address the development in the SOW based on the information I get on the use of the property.

1:10pm • #6
JUN
16
2008
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Jason is wise? When did that happen?? :)

Actually, this is an interesting question and David's answer made it a bit clearer. Kind of.

11:54am • #7
JUN
17
2008

Jennifer  - Perhaps this may make it a little more clear. 

The most common way to determine remaining economical life is by the cost approach.  The condominium form (FNMA1073) does not include the cost approach, therefore no determination of REL.  Obviously it is no concern to FNMA, therefore no concern to FHA either since both require the use of that form for condos. 

It may, however, be a concern to an investor, who may want to know since the unit is income producing.  Now the easiest and quickest way to determine REL without using the cost approach would be to assume (extraordinary assumption) the life of the condo project to be 70 years (which about all you will get from FHA about REL on approved condominium projects). 

So assuming the life is 70 years, you would subtract the effective age (which is included on the condo form) from 70 to determine the remaining life, and use the remaining life figure as the remaining economical life of the unit.  Simple, but does not provide much credibility to the result.  It may be sufficient to satisfy an underwriter, but not many savy investors.  At least not enough to get an investor's repeat business or referral business on condo investments.

So not being a "skippy", I use the income capitalization approach, operating income statement, and itemized accrued depreciation (as with most any other investment property), and if building blue prints are available segregated cost depreciation (it helps to have a CPA background or at least tax accounting for that), so the REL can be determined or estimated by using a method that provides more credibility.

           

12:12am • #8

Just no way to do it. Unless you pull a number from your backside!

12:56pm • #9
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Jennifer - Jason is wise for reading my posts ;-)

David - I see what your saying, but that extraordinary assumtion makes the whole process a bit of a moot point, doesn't it?

James - That's sort of what I'm thinking, too - I mean I understand how you can come in with some sort of educated guess and make an extraordinary assumption, but it seems like jumping hoops and wasting everyone's time.

3:45pm • #10

Sara  -  Yes it does.  But that is how some would do it.  The old "Wham, Bam, Pay me Man - Next" mentallity.  Any other way (accurate or not) would entail more work than most are willing to do. 

4:31pm • #11
JUN
22
2008
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Thank you, Sheik. 

It sounds like in order to get the numbers right, one would need to spend a lot of money, time and effort to bring other professionals into the equasion and still there would be unforeseen variables of potential future obsolescence. 

Do you ever do this when appraising a condo?  Or have you ever been asked? 

I'm not trying to put anyone on the spot.  I'm just wondering if this is something we should all expect in the future.

12:12pm • #14
JUN
23
2008

I must point out that you are looking at the structure - not the type of ownership.  The type of ownership is what you cannot put an economic life on.  Perhaps it is possible to put an economic life on the project ... but not a specific unit.
 
Example:  The pool house in a condo project is 30 years old and dated.  The ownership of this is a common element.  ALL the owners - all owners - of all the condominium units vote to tear down and rebuild this common element.

If the association of the project chooses to rebuild, that structure has a longer physical life.  However not economic life specifically - it contributes to the entire project.

You see this all the time.  Siding and/or roofs on condominium projects being replaced.  Not by an individual, but by the project association who collected HOA dues, saved and replaced deteriorated siding roofing.  Physical life yes.  Economic life no.

You MUST separate physical from economic life.  Presumably, the HOA will maintain for each structure a specific level or greater of physical maintenance/deterioration - Forever.  Therefore - in theory - the condo project will last forever.

11:39am • #16
DEC
19

Hey Sara, I just got hit with this today on an FHA appraisal I did for a condo and I was glad you had this discussion going already. This is what I found on HUD's site and thought I'd add it on here.

3. Where does the appraiser insert Remaining Economic Life on the condo form to comply with FHA reporting requirements?

It is to be entered in the Reconciliation section of the form 1073 as a statement similar to that contained in the cost approach section of the other three FHA approved forms, i.e. "Estimated Remaining Economic Life ______ Years."

3:55pm • #17

That's good to know WHERE they want it, BUT, how did you calculate or determine it?

4:30pm • #18
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Glad it helped.  I'd love to hear what you came up with as well!

8:37pm • #19
DEC
24

ok.... here is the scoop from an FHA seminar I attended.  FHA knows there is no actual way to get a remaining economic life since the condominium could last forever using the HOA fees to keep the building(s) at a constant level maintenance, appeal, etc.

This is what happened ... FHA wrote the guideline that says a remaining economic life is required for all FHA insured loans (period).  Whomever wrote the guideline made a mistake, however until it is rectified.. the guideline stands.  "Do your best" is what the FHA people said.

Christopher Parra
2:22pm • #20
DEC
26
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Were you there, Chris? Ha... but you were so quiet ;-)

Et al, Chris is absolutely better at memorizing and note taking than I am - The FHA people seemed pretty flustered by the Q&A of this debate by the end of it all... I wouldn't be surprised if these requirements are rewritten in the future.

11:58am • #21
DEC
31

Sara - This is my year end conclusion :)

Christopher Parra said - "FHA knows there is no actual way to get a remaining economic life since the condominium could last forever using the HOA fees to keep the building(s) at a constant level maintenance, appeal, etc."

To me FHA is referring to physical life, not economic life defined as - The period of time during which a given building or other improvement to property is expected to contribute (positively) to the value of the total property. This period is typically shorter than the period during which the improvement could be left on the property, that is, its physical life.  The period of time over which property may generate economic benefits.

And remaining economic life being defined as - The number of years remaining in the economic life of a building or other improvement as of the date of the appraisal. This period is influenced by the attitudes of market participants and by market reactions to competitive properties on the market.  The estimated period of time until the improvements lose their ability to serve their intended purpose.

FHA/HUD state, to estimate the remaining economic life means the appraiser must consider the relationship between the property and the economic stability of the block, neighborhood, and community, and the need or demand for a home of that particular type.  The relationship between the property and the immediate environment and the trends and rate of change of characteristics of the neighborhood and their effect on land values.  Also the architectural design, style and utility from a functional point of view and the likelihood of obsolescence attributable to new inventions, new materials and changes in the tastes of buyers.

As I stated before, the best way to estimate REL is with the cost approach and although it is no longer required, with all of the other changes going on (mtg qualifications, underwriting guidelines, etc) I can foresee the cost approach being required again in the near future.  If FHA can only state "Do your best", without clearly knowing the difference between (remaining) economic life and (remaining) physical life, but still dictates how to estimate REL, leaves the result to be reported as any figure the appraiser wishes to plug in that looks good - most likely being between 30 and 40 years. 

2:14pm • #22

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