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Desperate! Help Wanted - Is it a mobile home or not?

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Real Estate Agent with Hunt Real Estate

I'm supposed to be taking a listing tomorrow and am having a difficult time clarifying whether the structure is a mobile home or not.  I'm really not that stupid - I swear.  The proverbial lines are blurred, and I, apparently, am very nearsighted.  With a stigmatism.

 

Here's what's going on:  Before my first visit to the home, did my homework, pulled the tax reports and inventory, and prepared a CMA based on the tax records (and owners' statements) that it was a single family residential raised ranch on a full basement.  However, when I was in the basement of the house, I looked up and saw the metal floor joists and tie-ins, and asked the owners if it was mobile home.  Their answer was, "it used to be."  What do you mean by it used to be?

 

What I have been able to ascertain is that the original, single wide mobile home was built around 1965.  It was eventually mounted onto a full basement.  Some years later, an addition was put on, that included adding on to the basement as well.  The interior has been remodeled and opened up, the original roof was removed and replaced with a single roof to cover the original mobile home and addition.  There is presently as much square footage in the stick built addition as there is in the original mobile home.

 

So here are the dilemmas:  1) If it's a mobile home, we're going to have buyer financing issues; 2) Does the fact that the original structure is a 1965 mobile home de-value the overall structure as it is now?  3) Do I list it in the MLS as a ranch or a mobile home?  The current owners have a mortgage through Countrywide on the property, and the tax records list it as a single fam res.  I consulted the mortgage rep in my office.  His answer was, "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks...", by which he clarified that it's still a mobile home, no matter how it's been dressed up to disguise it.  He in turn called a lender he works with that will give mortgages on double wides, whose response was that it didn't matter if it had been gutted and rebuilt with 52 additions on it.  It's a single wide mobile home, and they won't give a mortgage on it.

 

Do I stick my neck out and call it a ranch in the MLS and do some basic CYA by having the sellers disclose on the property condition statement that it used to be a mobile home?  Or do I call it a mobile home, knowing full well that in this area it means we are unlikely to realize an offer?  I thought I'd cut to the chase, call an appraiser, and use his or her answer.  Because that's what I think it's all going to boil down to - what an appraiser calls it.  Four phone calls to appraisers today - no return phone calls as yet.  So here I sit, looking for answers before I head out 40 miles from home first thing in the morning. 

Cheryl Willis
RE/MAX Solutions- OZARK MISSOURI - Mount Vernon, MO
MO Broker - Mt Vernon, Monett, Aurora, Barry & Law

I love your question, here's my answer:  Talk with your BROKER first.

that being said, in our state we have many converted mobile homes.  Some lenders will loan on them, some won't.  The method of tie-down or permenant foundation has something to do with it.  A structual analysis may/may not be needed.  It is best to get it figured out before you drive yourself nuts with the listing. (do you have unlimited funds to market a property you don't think you can sell?)

 Your BROKER should have the answers you need if not he/she should have the means to find out.  Part of the BROKER's duty is to have the systems in place to help you do your business (other wise why are you paying them?) 

let us now what you find out.  be good  cw

Jun 17, 2008 11:25 AM
Lane Bailey
Century 21 Results Realty - Suwanee, GA
Realtor & Car Guy

I won't give you an answer, because I think it is going to take some serious rule digging... but it certainly isn't mobile.  Perhaps a modular home... or manufactured home. 

And I have a friend I grew up with that had done the exact same thing with their lake house.

Jun 17, 2008 11:26 AM
Kara Casamassina
International Property Management Group, LLC - Aiken, SC
Boomers and beyond

as I was reading your blog, I was thinking that you should call an appraiser to see what they would classify it as.......and then you ended up saying that yourself at the end!  I hope one of them calls you back this evening.

Jun 17, 2008 11:29 AM
Patty Carroll
Vancouver, WA

We would recommend that you call your broker and see what they want you to do before you do anything. Your broker still may have you talk with and/or a Mtg. broker or appraiser as well.

Jun 17, 2008 02:47 PM
Sharon Wager
Hunt Real Estate - Camillus, NY
"Your Blue Jean Agent"
Thank you everyone for your comments Here's what I've found out so far: Two appraisers called me back and have said the opposite of each other. I brought it up at our weekly sales meeting this morning, and there was a split as to what to consider it, but there was a general agreement that the best way to handle it is to call a single fam res in the MLS, and have the sellers put it on the property condition disclosure form. I also put a call into our board, no answer yet. I tried calling the town assessor but won't be getting any answers from them because they're not open for the rest of the week.
Jun 18, 2008 02:47 AM
Randall Schrader
Competitive Insurance of Dundee - Dundee, FL

In Florida, if it's born a single wide - added on to, basement installed, Christmas decorations, new roof, New walls all around . . .  IT'S A SINGLE WIDE.  Put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig.

Our single wide are issued title by our DMV and that title WILL pop up and make it a deluxe, pretty, added on SINGLE WIDE.

I do tons of single wide loans in FLORIDA and get this question often.

Randall 863-229-1235

Jun 25, 2008 09:39 AM
Sharon Wager
Hunt Real Estate - Camillus, NY
"Your Blue Jean Agent"
Randall - I love the lipstick on a pig! Every mortgage person I've talked to has conveyed the same as you have. I don't think it makes a difference if it's Florida or New York when FHA says it's still a single wide. I'm not listing the property for several reasons, but dealing with this particular issue had me questioning from the start whether I truly wanted the listing or not.
Jun 26, 2008 03:09 AM
* Rate A Home
Rate A Home - Saugatuck, MI

Sharon, single wide is a single wide, sounds nicer as a manufactured home, but still a mobile home either way IMHO, good luck.

I LOL on the pig....

Jun 30, 2008 02:55 AM