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smokers...would you rent to them?

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Home Stager with Hawley Interiors & Staging

Hello fellow stagers, I find myself in a bit of a pickle and would love some input.

An agent that I frequently work with has asked me to stage a house with four smokers and a dog with a leaky bladder. The homeowner gave me a guided tour complete with cigarette in hand. As you can imagine, the house smelled awful. The walls and ceilings were stained and the dog clearly marked his territory in every room with carpet.

I told the home owners that before I brought anything in they would need to have the house professionally cleaned....they did. However, the cleaners did not do a great job and the house still smells. The homeowners have assured me they will no longer smoke in the house and I reluctantly agree to bring in my goodies. Now I'm not so sure. Will I ever be able to use these accessories, especially the curtain panels and art again? I've already agreed so I obviously can't go back on my word now, but not sure what I would do next time.

What would you do?

Kristina Leone
Lionheart Home Staging, LLC - Minneapolis, MN

I would keep my "soft" items (ie pillows, blankets, rugs, etc.) to a minimum since odors are harder to remove from those items than hard surface decorations.  Otherwise, use VERY inexpensive decor so you can part with it when the job is done (should the odor linger on your items).

Best wishes, and let us know how it turns out for you!

Jun 19, 2008 01:31 PM
Kimberley Hawley
Hawley Interiors & Staging - Caledon, ON
Hawley Interiors & Staging

Thanks for the comment Kristina. but how would you charge for inexpensive items? I've thought of this as well but worry I would be ripping the client off by bringing in cheapies.

Jun 19, 2008 01:33 PM
Kimberly Wester
Valparaiso, IN

Well, Kimberley, it may be time to write a new policy to make sure this doesn't happen again.  Why do they want to rent items from you? 

I generally do not rent to occupied homes, period, especially if they are smokers or have pets or children.  (I'm not a smoker, but I do have pets and children and I'm not taking that kind of risk.)  Have you thought of offering them some personal shopping services?  Even if they don't 'smoke in the house' the smell still permeates everything and that leaky bladder is scary.

Maybe it is time to come clean with your concerns and/or ask for a security deposit in case the items are returned unrentable?

Jun 19, 2008 02:00 PM
Cindy Bryant
Redesign Etc. Home Staging - Houston, TX
"Houston Home Staging Pros"

If I am using my own inventory, I wouldn't rent to smokers or people with indoor pets.

Jun 19, 2008 04:54 PM
Sandra Hughes
Redesigned Spaces - Northern Virginia - Fairfax, VA
Redesigned Spaces - Fairfax County, Virginia

You could get an air purifier, although they are not cheap it sounds like they work. The only thing you could do is go back and say you are noticing a lingering smell and are not comfortable leaving soft goods therefore they would have to purchase.  The suggestion about buying less expensive items is good - I do not feel you would be cheating your clients under the circumstances - they are not worried about your merchandise smelling are they?  You would be cheating yourself to buy expensive items and then not be able to use again.  If they haven't signed a contract yet you could add in a security item for damaged goods.

Jun 19, 2008 11:33 PM
Patty Hill, Broker Associate
Local Homes and Land, Inc - Summerville, SC
Local Homes and Land, Inc

Kimberly,  I try educate my sellers about what buyers are looking for and why there home will not sell.  I would have suggested everything get a fresh coat of paint, carpet cleaned and no smoking!!! I would suggest rented or borrowed furniture (I would not put my items in this home until it was completly smoke free).  I recently staged a home with 3 adults, 5 children, and 3 huge dogs.  I was honest and said the dogs have to be kenneled, they replace flooring and painted.  It sold in 13 days!  Don't be afraid to let them know why it won't sell.  Everyone will respect you for it!

Jun 20, 2008 12:34 AM
Ginger Foust
Certified Staging Professional - Oakhurst, CA
Home Stager Oakhurst CA, Dream Interior Redesign & Staging

Kimberly, I am totally in agreement with Kimberly Wester.  I do not rent my things to occupied homes with VERY few exceptions.  Sometimes accessories and small furnishings will go into a: second home with no young children, the older couple with no pets, other couples with no children and pets.  You get the picture.  When damage is done I've found it difficult and sometimes uncomfortable to collect for replacing my items. 

I don't know how others feel, but here in CA if a house smells like smoke potential buyers turn around before the get past the foyer.  They just don't sell.  The ozone air purifiers do work and some of the retailers for them will rent units for just this purpose. Google ecoquest to find a dealer near you. 

Good luck. 

Jun 20, 2008 02:08 AM
Kimberley Hawley
Hawley Interiors & Staging - Caledon, ON
Hawley Interiors & Staging

Kimberly, you're absolutely right, a new policy is in order. It's hard to believe that after doing this for a few years, this is the first time I've encountered homeowners who smoke in the house.

Cindy, Good plan...I'm learning to say NO...it's not that easy.

Sandra, I don't think they'd go for the air purifier. Afterall, to them the house smells fine.

Patty, I tried to educate these home owners however, my words fell on deaf ears.

Ginger, Homes smelling like smoke do not sell here either...sigh

Jun 20, 2008 07:55 AM
Lori Kim Polk
Premiere Home Staging : Home Staging Services - Roseville, CA
Home Stager - Roseville, Sacramento

I have the same policy as Kimberly. I do have a clause in my contract that states:

"If there are pets or small children living in the home during the selling period, AJDS reserves the right not to provide upholstered furniture or soft goods for the staging. Due to expected damage caused by smoking it is agreed that no smoking will be allowed in or on the property during the term of the staging agreement."

You can always ask for a deposit, and/or offer to get them some new items that they can take to their new home. That is a personal shopping fee ;)

A smoky property IS a huge, huge deterrentin itself.. but with dog pee... I would not put anything that would absorb smell. You might as well tell them ... based upon your professional opinion... they MUST do something about it or they are seriously jeopardizing the sale of their home. Good Luck, Lori Kim.

 

Jun 20, 2008 09:25 AM
Michelle Molinari
FEATURE THIS... Real Estate Staging & Interior Decor - Lafayette, LA
Feature This Real, Estate Staging & Curb Appeal Concepts

Hi Kimberly,

The solution is an industrial strength ionizer.

They are 100% effective on deeply embedded odors of any type,even through fabric and carpet, and if it is commecial grade, and not a wimpy $150 one, you will find it positively miraculous, because the odors DO NOT RETURN.

The only way a properly ionized dwelling can have odor is if the odor is re-introduced after ionization.

We sell these little beauties for $649. We rent them for $79 a day to Realtors and Homeowners.

Use them on your stinky listings, and use them to keep your inventory fresh as a daisy all the time, even in storage.

No Realtor or Stager should be without one!!!

See this blog for more details. See my website for a thorough analysis for what they are, how they work, why NASA backs up the technology, how safe it is, and other statistical data. They kill mold and mildew, and antibacterialize all surfaces at a 94.4-99% successful kill rate. Surgical wards use them to keep hospital Operating Rooms germ free and report zero "OR-related" infections for years.

If you want to reduce odor, buy something else, like a plug-in or some carpet freshing powder. If you want to eradicate it permanently, YOU NEED THIS.

~Michelle

 

 

Jun 20, 2008 12:58 PM
Kimberley Hawley
Hawley Interiors & Staging - Caledon, ON
Hawley Interiors & Staging

Lori, I love that clause. It's funny how stagers have now become the bad guys who have to tell the  home owners all the nasty stuff. "Your house stinks, it will never sell"

 

Jun 20, 2008 02:59 PM
Yvonne Root
rooms b.y. root - Prescott, AZ
Home Stager - Northern Arizona

Kimberly, in a word --- NOPE. In more words --- I go with LKP's idea to allow the home owner to purchase what is needed for the staging. And with other folks' words of advice concerning giving the home seller the "bad news" concerning what it takes to get a property sold in today's market.

Jun 21, 2008 02:33 AM
Chris Horton
Horton's Lawn Care L.L.C. - Burton, MI

Kimberly- This sounds like a tricky and hard to decide on situation here really. You could lose potential clients with a new policy, although a security deposit on ALL stagings really is a good idea, just like a good insurance policy. You could do as some have mentioned and go with cheaper "goodies" and garage sale finds (some of which can actually be really good anyways) but these "at risk" and "potential stinkers" could have friends that are not like this and if they see your work and it appears cheap that could reflect poorly on yourself and your business and that is never good. You could flat out not stage any occupied homes and potentially lose alot, or you could do them all including the smokers and pets (although if they have a leaky bladdler pet or children I would try everything to use their sofa and more expensive "soft items" that could be extremely easily ruined (however with a security deposit and good insurance your loses should be kept to a minimum).

Also alot of times even the best cleaners cannot get the "stink" out of a home from smoking as it soaks into everything, To really get rid of the smoke smell carpet needs to be replaced and the entire home needs a good coat of paint (after the walls & ceilings are cleaned of course). We have bought and remodeled tons of homes over the years and found that is the only really effective way to completely get rid of the odors (same as with pet urine odors, except sometimes with the really bad ones after the carpet and pad are out you have to paint the floor with KILZ then install new carpeting.

If you want to try the air purifyer check Wal-Mart (or other we have it all store) and go with a few of the smaller room purifyers with one in each room that has the worst smell) I picked one up for my bedroom because I was having problems sleeping and heard purified air would help. It cost about $30 and works great! New filters are like $10-15 for a 2 pack and last about 90 days (but you might want to change them more frequently around smoke).

I hope this helps and goodluck. I honestly don't know what I would do in your shoes though :-\ Goodthing for me I just do the outsides (and I charge more/ won't mow the lawns if they don't clean up after their pets)

Jun 21, 2008 03:23 AM
Tori Lynn Wallitsch
Prudential Ambassador / Ross Designs, LLC - Omaha, NE

I would also suggest that you insist the owners pay for rental of an air purifier/ionizer before installing your inventory.  That is a very reasonable request and as long as they promise not to smoke anymore after your items are rented you should be okay..

Jun 21, 2008 09:28 AM
Toronto's 2 Hounds Design: Decorating + Staging
2 Hounds Design + Home Staging - Toronto, ON

I feel for you. Have you signed the contract already or just verbally told them you would rent? I'm assuming it is too late to price the rentals so high they will pass on it?

I think I would just get up the nerve, set up a meeting and tell them that over the last 4 years you've never encountered a property like theirs so you were not prepared for what you walked in to. Regretfully decline to provide rentals unless something is done regarding the pervasive smell (have options available to them).

I love the sound of Michelle's industrial strength ionizer. I'm off to check out her blog about it.

Jun 21, 2008 02:33 PM
Maureen Bray Portland OR Home Stager ~ Room Solutions Staging
Room Solutions Staging, Portland OR - Portland, OR
"Staging Consultations that Sell Portland Homes"

At least now you have ideas for a new policy moving forward after this staging project.  My contract also states that smoking is not allowed in the home while my inventory is on the premises....also that the client is responsible for any damage to inventory while the property is staged.  There's nothing worse than smoke smell.

Jun 21, 2008 02:43 PM
Kimberley Hawley
Hawley Interiors & Staging - Caledon, ON
Hawley Interiors & Staging

Hey everyone, thanks for your comments. Good news, the clients have agreed to purchase everything I used for staging. This is just a fluke. I went ahead and brought in some of my least favorite accessories and they asked if they could buy it all. Whew, Must be the staging fairies again!

Never, will I put myself in this position again...Will be revamping the contract as well thanks to all of your advise.

Kim

Jun 22, 2008 10:41 AM
Toronto's 2 Hounds Design: Decorating + Staging
2 Hounds Design + Home Staging - Toronto, ON

LOL that worked out great I can't believe it...too funny!

Jun 22, 2008 12:48 PM