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A few of our Phoenix Real Estate Office team members and myself have been brainstorming a bit about the benefits that agents have who join our office.  One of the common objections that we hear is about the split.  If you have read some of my older posts like "Why lead generation should be a corporate function" you'll understand that my philosophy is that some people do lead generation very well, and in our case that would internet lead generation while most agents struggle to get enough business in the door to pay their mortgage and put groceries on the table.

There are a lot of agents who are too busy trying to be an "independent contractor" that they lose sight of the fact that their first priority is to make a decent living.  Of course there are a number of agents who are looking for a homerun deal and unfortunately in order to get a homerun you are going to have to strike out a bit and hopefully hit some singles and doubles in the process.  Its really a function of number of times at bat.

That being said, how do you evaluate your real estate opportunities?

What does a low split ultimately mean?  Well the lower the split, the more the office is saying you know how to run your own business.  We are going to get out of your way and let you make it happen.  You are going to spend your own time money and effort to generate business for yourself and because we are not doing a lot for you we believe that we shouldn't be paid a lot either.

Generally speaking the lower the split, the better you should be at marketing since the office is unlikely to send you deals.  If you evaluate your business this way and you aren't very good at the marketing piece, you are unlikely to net (take home) very much money.  In fact you might find that you actually lose money in the real estate industry.

What does a high split mean?  It may mean that the office is going to be investing a lot in you in terms of training.  It may mean that the office pays a lot of your expenses (business cards, signs, print media and maybe an office).  It may also mean that the office does a lot of lead generation on behalf of the agent.  In our case it is all three.  However because we do generate as many leads as well do even though the split to the agent is lower the agents net should be higher.

When I compare the net income of agent before they join our company and then compare the net income of an agent after they join our company, the results are usually very telling.  In most cases the agents have struggled prior to joining the company and have spent a lot of their time, money and effort on traditional lead generation activities including, Just Listed / Just Sold cards.  They are doing a lot of open houses but the number of deals under their belts tend to be minimal.

Even though our split is higher then the traditional split because agents are able to do a couple of deals a month vs the typical 4 - 6 a year that newer agents tend to do their net take home pay is significantly higher.

Obviously every company is different, however if companies actually do lead generation the amount the company makes and the amount the agent makes should be better especially for the newer agents.

All the Best,

Glenn Sanford
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BuyerTours Realty LLC &
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10 Comments on Net Income vs Agent Split

Good information, thanks

06/27/2008 11:39 PM by Jack Climer Realty, LLC


Hey Glen,

You share some real good info and thoughts, that are important to us all.

Take care!

RJH

06/27/2008 11:54 PM by Empire Realty


Glenn,

You give a lot of good information to think about. I will also check the link that you are providing.

I did  not seriously look at the split, though should have done that.

Thanks

06/27/2008 11:55 PM by Jon Zolsky (FunCoast Realty LLC)


I always expected that if real estate companies would treat their agents like clients, everyone would prosper. However, those companies are rare.

06/27/2008 11:59 PM by Tigard Oregon Real Estate >> Wayne B. Pruner, GRI (Oregon First)


Glenn, all new agents need to have proper training and that comes at a price. It's something that an agent can carry with them for a long time and helps produce great results. As far as your lead generation, I would be curious to know more details.

06/28/2008 12:01 AM by Sacramento Real Estate and Luxury Homes, Assoc. Real Estate Broker,Gena Riede (Remax Gold, Assoc Broker)


GLENN - You are 100% correct that the net income should take precedence over the split.  Many brokers pay lip service to the leads that they provide, but don't deliver in a consistent way to add to the agent's bottom line.  It seems like you have worked out the lead generation, and if you can assure people of closings, then you should not have to pay a higher split.  Agents should worry about how much money is in their pocket vs. how much is in yours. 

I dealt with this mentality in my previous sales experience before real estate.  I was working with a small marketing company that needed to sell their services to stay afloat.  They were struggling when we met each other, and I had the connections to put together bigger deals for them.  Their pricing structure was such that I was able to add my fee on top of it and make it worthwhile.  The deal hung up when they realized that I would be making more than them.  I told them that they should be worried about their bottom line, and not mine.

This mentality is pervasive with home sellers as well.  If I show them that they can generate more activity by paying out a higher commission than the "average" and end up netting more in their pocket, they should jump at the chance.  Instead, they think that the agents are making "too much" and they try to pay out as little as possible. 

It's all about supply and demand.  Home sellers that pay out the lowest commission have less traffic, and thus less potential buyers, which decreases the chance of finding the buyer that will pay the most for the home.  This is one of the reasons why FSBO's often lose out as well. 

Very well thought out post, Glenn.  I hope that it helps with your recruiting.

06/28/2008 12:20 AM by Adam Waldman - Long Island REALTORĀ® (RE/MAX Best)


Hi Glenn!
Your blog creates some interesting conversations.  The split our company offers is no more than a reflection of what the agent made the previous year.  The more successful the agent, the higher their split.  We believe that the agents truly are independent contractors.  They each have their own company to run in which they are their own CEO. What we provide is an atmosphere of support, education and family that gives each agent knowledge that they will be treated fairly and honestly.  We supply them with more promotional options than they could ever use and recognize that each one will have a system that works for them.  What we teach our agents is to not chase the dollar, but supply the service to their clients...the income will follow.

06/28/2008 12:48 AM by Paula Swayne (Windermere Dunnigan Realtors, Sacramento)


Some great comments...  Training is obviously huge and is a very important part of the equation.  Even in the years 2002 - 2005 when I started into the business of real estate the stats were that 2/3rd of agents would leave the business in their first two years.  Recently at a Hobbs Herder conference one statistic that was interesting was that of agents who were in the business 5 years or more only 3% were netting what they expected when they got into the business (this is after 80+% of agents had quit the business).  Why?  Was it lack of training?  Most real estate companies of significant size invest in significant training programs on behalf of their agents.  The real challenge in my opinion is that agents are all coached to do the same thing.  Just listed / Just Sold card, Open Houses, calling FSBOs and Expired, building a referral network.  Where are 84% of consumers searching?  The internet...  These old school techniques don't work like they used to and those agents or companies that rank at the top of the search engines get the bulk of the new business.  So for companies to survive during the next few years they will need a solid online lead generation strategy or they will become yesterdays real estate companies.

If you look at the latest REALTOR magazine, the only company to grow significantly in terms of real estate sides and real estate income was Zip Realty.  Virtually every other company did less sides and had less income.  Where does Zip do its lead generation?  Online.  Without a doubt Zip has a good handle on lead aquisition and conversion costs.  When Zip becomes profitable they will be one of the dominant new real estate companies and guess what?  They do exactly what I suggest that real estate companies should do and that is lead generate.  Their model is the only E-Myth real estate company of size.  IMHO

06/28/2008 01:43 AM by Glenn Sanford (BuyerTours Realty LLC & Working The Magic, LLC)


I have been on higher splits for some time. I market and do almost everything out of pocket so I have to have that. Sounds like some of your agents are going to be great!

06/28/2008 05:38 AM by Laura Jefferson, Lexington/Columbia SC Realtor (Acquire Real Estate)


It's true as independent contractors most agents are very "independent" and want to make their own way.  In the past few years the market was hot, and lead generation was easier than it is today.  As a result many low split brokerage models flourished.

Now that the market has changed, lead generation is more difficult for most agents, business is not coming to them, the need to get out and find it. As a result 50/50 type splits where the broker provides leads, marketing materials and free desk fees will gain popularity as agents struggle to stay in the business.

This is a great market to start a team!

06/29/2008 11:23 AM by Brett Tousley (Keller Williams Realty)


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