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The Canadian Real Estate Debate Goes On

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Canadian Columnists Linda Leatherdale on 2008-05-04 posted on Canoe Money a timely article on the Canadian Housing Market - "Opening door on market"


"Some feverishly argue there's no way Canada's real estate market will crash and burn like the U.S. market, where one prominent analyst warns that the meltdown is more fast and furious than during the Great Depression".

"Others say, get real: Canada's largest trading partner is the United States, and if this one-time economic superstar is in a recession, we're going down, too".

Read the full article here.

The Royal Bank of Scotland recently released an advisory to its clients to braise for a "global stock and credit crash" over the next 3 months. The UK housing market may not recover until 2015. The housing market and debts problems in the US and UK, record high energy and food prices could eventually drag Canada into a housing down turn as we experienced in 1995 to 2001. Except, this time the problem could be very much worse than what we experienced previously.

Greater Vancouver Housing Market

The Saunder School of Business's housing chart for Greater Vancouver below shown that it took 8 years for  the housing market to recover to it's 1981 peak at around $240,000. The housing downturn from 1995's peak at $420,000 took almost 9 years to recover. Using the charts presented here up to 2007, and plotting the trend lines for nominal and real prices, $540,000 seemed to be about the "right" price level where the Vancouver housing price should be. This represents a 30% to 35% price differential below the current Vancouver nominal and real housing prices.



The price gains over the past 30 over years is attributed to excessive liquidity and priming of the money pump, we have over-shot the price gain by 30% to 35%. If the housing down turn is going to hit Canada, we could be facing a more serious price decline from that happening in 1981 and 1995. Click here for the latest news on Richmond's real estate market.   

The chart below for Greater Vancouver from the Real Estate Board of Vancouver plotting housing data up to May 2008 confirmed the sharp housing price gains that are "unsustainable". The escalation in prices since 2002 to present out-paced the gains in the past 25 years.

Last week's 400 plus points drop in the Dow could signal the big one is coming. Canada is unlikely to be insulated and not affected by the financial meltdown.

The debate as posted by Linda Leatherdale will continue. My take is that our real estate market is not so different from the US and UK. Our housing market is way over-priced and overly propped up by past years price appreciation. It is a matter of time we will face a painful price correction resulting in huge financial losses by many home owners. You are welcomed to post your comments.

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Comments(8)

Larry Estabrooks
Independent Real Estate Agent - Moncton, NB
100% representation means NEVER DUAL AGENCY !

James, when you say "our" do you mean Greater Vancouver or all of Canada?.

Jul 01, 2008 06:26 AM
Pat Hommel
Annapolis Plaza CB Residential and Commercial - Annapolis, MD
Annapolis, AA Co., Md. Real Estate Sales

James,   Very intreresting to hear about the Canadian market, keep us posted.

Jul 01, 2008 11:17 AM
Michelle Finnamore
Toronto GTA, Alliston, Newmarket - Vaughan, ON
Preparing your property for sale

James,

Very well stated. I believe it will be all of Canada.

Having lived through 3 recessions in Canada I can tell you it won't be a pretty picture.

People have less and less experience living by the mantra "doing without" if they don't have the cash to pay for it. The average Canadian will come to understand what their grandparents went through or even there parents if they started out with home ownership during the 50's.

 

Jul 01, 2008 11:36 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous

- Larry,  yes Greater Vancouver in particular has the biggest gain in prices. But other cities like Victoria, Calgary and Edmonton also make very big gain in house prices. When you compare the pricing charts as presented by Brian Ripley here, you can see how much higher Vancouver compared with other Canadian cities.

Paul Boenisch from North Vancouver just posted a blog on a big drop in sales and large built-up in listings. The market is not looking good if the trend continues.

- Thanks Pat. and Michelle for writing.

 

Jul 01, 2008 02:45 PM
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James Wong Vancouver Richmond
Vancouver, BC
Chinese Realtor, Vancouver > Richmond

Here are Paul's Link and Blog posting.

Jul 01, 2008 03:45 PM
Larry Estabrooks
Independent Real Estate Agent - Moncton, NB
100% representation means NEVER DUAL AGENCY !

Yes James, it appears that the greater Vancouver area would be most at risk of all the major Canadian real estate markets. However I don't believe all of Canada is at risk for a housing market "meltdown".

Jul 02, 2008 01:48 AM
James Wong Vancouver Richmond
Vancouver, BC
Chinese Realtor, Vancouver > Richmond

It's true Larry, the situation in Vancouver was way too speculative. Other Canadian cities except Calgary and Edmonton will be affected less with a down turn in the real estate market in Canada.

Jul 06, 2008 09:27 AM
Matt Horton
Platinum Living Realty - Scottsdale, AZ
North Scottsdale Real Estate

Canadians are buying in Arizona!  I specialize in Scottsdale, so if you have any clients that are interested, I am happy to give a referral fee!  Thanks! Matt Horton John Hall & Associates 480-227-3311

Feb 26, 2009 06:56 PM