I'm looking at all the properties on the market right now in my area of FL and I keep wondering when changes will come...not anytime soon.

I don't need to keep reading how the media interprets whats going on in the Real Estate market. I already know what's going on. I'm a Realtor®....I better know whats going on or I might as well just get out of the business.

I'm primarily a listing agent so my job can be very difficult these days. I remember when taking a listing was easy. You take it and it virtually was sold overnight. It didn't matter what the size was or what the condition was or even where it was located.

Now when I go on listing appointments I'm finding it even harder in some areas to pin point the actual value of the property. I find myself turning down more and more listings because I refuse to waste my time and a sellers time with false promises. CMA's can be difficult to prepare in a neighborhood that hasn't had a few sales let alone one in the last 2 years. I'm even finding myself using a few more pending sales just so I have something to show them that justifies today's value.

I will start off by only going back over the last 90 days. It makes no sense to go back further but sometimes I'm forced to look back 180 days because I simply can't find anything to support the sellers premise of value. Even 180 days back you still might not have anything to support your findings and that makes my job even harder.

I took a condo listing from a referral my partner had....the seller wanted it listed at $239K. At that time I told the seller that according to my figures it was only worth $185K. They refused to "give it a way" and that's their prerogative but it's still listed today and has been repositioned in the market at....you guessed it...$185K. Here is the problem...we have only had two showings in total and now the properties value should be at $150K. So what happened? They just wasted almost two years and they finally gave but now that price point no longer exists.

Right now in my area there is about a 5 yr supply of condo's/townhomes and about a 2-3 year supply of single family homes available. Those figure just tell me how many sellers are waiting on line to sell.

So how can you justify today's value? In most places you simply can't. When your market is flooded with over 40,000 homes just in one county the consumer is looking to see how much they can get for their home but it seems they are generally looking at how much the homes in their area are selling for and not what they sold for. Many times I will walk into a listing appointment and before I can pull out any information to justify the value...the seller throws a number at me that is not even close to what I think the homes is worth today. I will usually inquire how they came to that number and I get the same story most of the time. The consumer usually doesn't look at closed sales over the last 90 days. They are looking at asking prices but what your asking doesn't tell us what your really going to get.

I've seen homes asking $750K that ended up selling in the end for $400K. So how can you justify the first price point if it ends up selling for $350K less? Another problem is you list to sell ratios....if that example above were to sell the ratio would reduce the neighborhoods values even more when the next home goes on the market. 

The house down the block is not as nice as ours so I think it's worth X. They don't realize that most homes that are sold will require some sort of financing and if it doesn't appraise then they just wasted their time.

It doesn't matter what I think it's worth.....it's what the buyers and sellers are negotiating in todays market place. Even if I say that X is what your value is they still don't realize that this is today but in 30-90 days from now it probably will be worth less in this market so catching up to the market is a bigger problem right now. By the time it hits the market....5 others come on for less or a few might close for less.

Right now I'm only looking to get some warm bodies to want to see these properties. If you aren't receiving a call to see it then most likely it's on Pluto. I have properties that I have listed right now at really reasonable market values that aren't getting much activity.

These are just a few things that could be happening :

  • Not many buyers looking in that price range
  • buyers in that price range simply aren't qualified for loans
  • buyers are reluctant to purchase a home with less than 20% down in case they lose even more equity in the home
  • Sellers still can't accept the fact that they most certainly won't get their price no mater whay we do.
  • Banks aren't lending money unless strict guidelines are met on these specific properties
  • Too many others that are simular or are bigger for the same price.
  • Buyers are still wating for a better deal
  • Buyers are spending a lot more time looking before pulling the trigger.

Price per square foot just isn't working in my area. If you look back during the Real Estate boom...you'll find that most buyers didn't care about that formula but they still couldn't figure out how two of the same exact homes were selling at such a different spread. So how can you justify it today? You can't. It was a domino effect. When one house would sell without the contingency of the appraisal then the next house can sell for the same or even more. So every time another home sold for more...the neighbor would try to get even more thus we have ourselves an inflated market....now the same thing is happening in reverse.

How about all the builders who were selling new homes and the price per square foot just didn't make sense. How did all these homes appraise? What about all the speculators who bought a year ago only to find out that they can't even sell the home after it close with the builder because the builder valued it too high and the buyer is stuck with it?

Today's value are kind of like the saying...ok so now what have you done for me lately.

How many times have your clients called you and asked you you when is the market going to change or whats going to happen to the values. Are they going to still decrease or are they going to increase or are they going to level off? If I could give everyone the rigbht answer I'd be a millionaire.

Market correction takes time and there is simply no way to pinpoint the exact time it will take. Remember people were saying the bubble would burst for 5 years and so now it did. Well when will the bubble grow again...there is no way to tell how long or even if we will ever see the market we saw 5 years ago.

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18 Comments on What's the Real Value of your home today?

Neal, even the pending sales may not be a great indicator because they may fall through.  The buyer might not qualify by today's standards, or the appraisal might come in low.

07/03/2008 08:34 AM by Brian Schulman - Your Lancaster County, PA Real Estate Professional (Coldwell Banker Select Professionals)


We've been dealing with seller's perceptions of the value of their homes for a few years now.  Seller's in our coastal Southern California Market seem much more realistic these days.

07/03/2008 08:38 AM by Hope Goss (Ventura Property Shoppe)


Neal, properties are starting to sell in my market (Ventura County, CA) after dropping a significant amount.  I experienced what you're going through last year and the year before (and maybe the beginning of this year.)  Prices were dropping and yet in some neighborhoods there were no sales.  I sold my own home last May and priced it under the last sold and sold it for even less.  The next home (bigger and nicer) sold for $40K less and within 5 months there were REOs for $135K less!  And yet I sold most of my listings because I was merciless on getting price reductions.  I know that some of my clients thought they were giving away their homes but they love me now.

07/03/2008 08:39 AM by Joe Virnig, "No Ordinary Joe" (RE/MAX Gold Coast REALTORS, Ventura County, California)


Brian,

I tend to stress to the sellers that even pendings won't tell us anything other than the home is possibly going to close but we have to wait and it might not even sell as high as they think.

Hope,

The main thing is we really can't even determine value in some places because there are no sales for a long time and they have to branch out into other areas which makes no sense because they aren't even similar comps.

Joe,

I have a 3BR listing that is about 1900 sq ft and the homes about 5 minutes away are much bigger and have more in them selling for much less so if the buyer knows that..they should be looking to get bigger for less. Most people would want a 4 BR for the same or less than a 3BR. REO's...foreclosures and short sales in neighborhoods are also driving the prices down.

07/03/2008 08:48 AM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


Neal,

It sounds like you are dealing with the pricing issue from a logical point of view. When I read your post I realized that there is no logic to the environment we work in today. The question to a seller should be "how badly do you want to sell?" cause if you're not willing to take the hit quickly then it will cost you in the long run. In a down trending market I look at how many properties have sold in a price range over the past 6 months. Not just in the neighborhood of the subject property but over the whole area. I'm trying to judge how many buyers have been in the market at a given price point. So when your seller sees that they are competing for 1 or 2 buyers then they become more realistic about pricing.

07/03/2008 08:57 AM by Bob Wallace (TheWallaceTeam of Allison James Estates and Homes)


Neal, if folks in FL could sell right now we would be covered up in Atlanta. Although our pricing has not dropped significantly (about 5%), sales prices have. Not unusal now to offer 10% lower whereas 3 years ago more like 3-5%. Fortunately no large bumps in our market makes it pretty easy for pricing...

07/03/2008 08:59 AM by Get Us A Home Realty - Frank & Jodi Real Estate Brokers


Neal

This is an excellent article every seller should see - we've experienced the same thing here.  

07/03/2008 09:01 AM by Clearwater Real Estate Clearwater Beach Condos & Homes for Sale- Cyndee Haydon (Belloise Realty)


Pricing a property is tough to begin with, but with a lack of comps (or buyers) it's darn near impossible.  Back in the 1980's we would keep dropping the price until we found a buyer. Of course that was when I worked with PMI's and they had to move the inventory.  Regular homeowners don't have that latitude. 

The next best thing is to guage how motivated your sellers are. If they aren't willing or able to work with the current market, then there's no point in even trying to sell the property.

Yes there is a buyer for every property, trouble is, some of the buyers haven't been born yet.

kk

07/03/2008 09:14 AM by Kristal Kraft ~ Denver Real Estate (The Berkshire Group Realtors)


Bob,

Justifying value when you don't have anything to support it can be a very gray area...how can we be sure? We can't and that's why we are in a changing market on a daily basis.

Get us a Home,

I keep hearing appraisers calling me asking me whether or not there were concessions on my listing that sold. Why do they need to ask me? They don't even know and they are telling me they are discounting sales by at least 10%...I figure to have to be even higher than that just to catch up in time to sell it. By the time it's appraised..it might be worth less.

Cyndee,

I wonder if your inventory is as high-as ours with virtually no comps to work with.

KK,

My theory is still to drop it until the market reacts...you have to be the lowest price today in your neighborhood to have the better chance to sell quicker before value changes overnight and even then you could still miss the value. No comps really make it impossible for us let alone with regular sellers...but as you said it's all about how motivated they really are.

 

07/03/2008 09:25 AM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


You hit it right....there's no way to "predict" the housing market ....especially in each state, county and neighborhood. Funny though, these 'economists' and fortune tellers seem to "know". gag.

07/03/2008 11:29 AM by Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman (RA), e-PRO HAWAII Real Estate & HAWAII Relocation (Century 21 Liberty Homes -Mililani, Hawaii)


Neal...

I have found that even having the least expensive home listed in a neighborhood doesn't help. I don't have any sound answers!

07/03/2008 01:27 PM by Richard Weisser, Associate Broker, E-Pro ERA United Realty, Auctioneer, CE Author (Coweta Fayette Real Estate, Inc. ERA United Realty)


Sally,

If we could predict the future or was a magician we would all be rich and famous.

Ricard,

Don't feel so bad...I think most of us agree with you that there really isn't an answer.

07/03/2008 07:36 PM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


What a great primer for those getting ready to sell!  Pricing correctly is so essential in a market with so much inventory.

07/03/2008 09:41 PM by Renee Burrows - Las Vegas NV Real Estate (Nevada Realty Solutions)


Renee,

Pricing today is so hard because tomorrow it might be worth less

07/04/2008 06:59 AM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


Great post.    Real estate is good training to be a Buddhist -- it's all about "being in the moment".    Since every moment carries change, one has to track a market on that basis (only the now counts!).

thanks!

 

Li

07/04/2008 11:32 AM by Li Read at RE/MAX


Li,

Thanks...can't tell you about the Buddhist thing but I guess it's something I could learn:)

07/06/2008 11:42 AM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


Thank you - I appreciate this since I have to talk to three sellers this week, and everything you have here applies. It will help me stay focused when they get upset. :)

07/07/2008 11:50 PM by Dawn Maloney, ABR (Geneva Chervenic Realty)


Dawn,

Same here...just got off the phone. Wanted to know why his condo wasn't selling...I told him when I brought the most recent comps by he just didn't even read them.

07/08/2008 03:14 PM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


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